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[Tetiel]

http://news.yahoo.co...puzdmEc.O.s0NUE

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has just confessed to mastermining about 28 different attacks of terrorism. He has confessed to the beheading of Daniel Pearl, the 9/11 attacks, the original truck bombing of the world trade center, the 2002 bombing of the night club in Bali, assasination attempts on both Pope John Paul II and President Pervez Musharraf among many other horrible acts. Finally the families of his victims maybe will have some closure as he will be brought to justice and hopefully this can lead to more times of peace.

People like this disgust me. They ruin Islam for the rest of the world just like Christian Identity ruins Christianity.

[Hawk]

So... when is he going to be executed?

[Waser Lave]

If you were being tortured every day for 4 years with no actual charges against you knowing that you'd be kept there indefinitely, wouldn't you 'confess' to anything they told you to?

I doubt he took part in 90% of the things he apparently 'confessed' to...

You should also note that these 'confessions' were made in a place with no independent witnesses or lawyers and without the normal legal safeguards, if he'd done it in a court of law then perhaps i'd believe it.

Edited by Laser Wave, 15 March 2007 - 02:44 PM.

[nox]

i wonder how long it is until osama releases a video crying for his spotlight back

[Black Flame]

So should we still bother to look for Bin Laden or not?

[Nick]

He's clearly lying. Nobody clan plan all those things single handedly.

[Sean]

I would happily rip his heart out with my bare hands, to say the least.

He is disgusting, but probably hoping to go down in history with this confession.

[RandomNameIgnoreIt]

I would try to have an intelligent conversation about this, but I'd rather not be bombarded with "he was tortured", "he was coerced", "it's not true!"

There is nothing good enough for some of you...

So yes, let's all agree that no one in American custody ever tells the truth, they're all tortured, they're all mistreated, and we are the evil empire that wants to suck the lifeblood out of the hearts of each and every one of your children.

Sometimes I wish that if people are just going to keep portraying the US as the devil regardless, we would act it.

</semi-pre-emptive strike'd>

A little message for the 1 person and XX number of people following that will state such a thing

Edited by BrknPhoenix, 15 March 2007 - 02:52 PM.

[Tetiel]

If you were being tortured every day for 4 years with no actual charges against you knowing that you'd be kept there indefinitely, wouldn't you 'confess' to anything they told you to?

I doubt he took part in 90% of the things he apparently 'confessed' to...

You should also note that these 'confessions' were made in a place with no independent witnesses or lawyers and without the normal legal safeguards, if he'd done it in a court of law then perhaps i'd believe it.

Right. I figured someone would say that. Of course if anyone confesses to anything to do with 9/11 or terrorism in general no one will believe it.
http://news.yahoo.co...ILa7O0e5oQTv5UB
If you will read this you will see that even the government officials are pretty much doubting him and they believe he is trying to exaggerate his own actions. They provide evidence in that article on how he is wrong in some of his claims as well. Government officials stating that. Why would they do that if they're trying to pretty much pin everything on him?

[Cataliste]

If you were being tortured every day for 4 years with no actual charges against you knowing that you'd be kept there indefinitely, wouldn't you 'confess' to anything they told you to?

I doubt he took part in 90% of the things he apparently 'confessed' to...

You should also note that these 'confessions' were made in a place with no independent witnesses or lawyers and without the normal legal safeguards, if he'd done it in a court of law then perhaps i'd believe it.

QFE

I completely agree.

Brkn, maybe you should pay attention to the news. Then you would know all the things that happen in Guantanamo Bay. Check out Amnesty International. That place is disgusting. It's horrible to even think of America making that "Concentration Camp". Sounds like something that happened in Germany around the 1940's..... Prosecuting anyone who isn't American (particularly, just Muslims).

[nox]

i read in the paper that on the computer that the government seized had loads of stuff about 9/11. he apparently had one of the terrorist's pilot license, and some other *semi* important things. i wouldn't question his involvement in the 9/11 attacks, but i certainly wouldn't doubt if he was over exaggerating

[Tetiel]

QFE

I completely agree.

Brkn, maybe you should pay attention to the news. Then you would know all the things that happen in Guantanamo Bay. Check out Amnesty International. That place is disgusting. It's horrible to even think of America making that "Concentration Camp". Sounds like something that happened in Germany around the 1940's..... Prosecuting anyone who isn't American (particularly, just Muslims).

Hun, he watches the news pretty much all the time when he's not at work or over here with me.

(he's off playing fable so I'm replying instead)

[Waser Lave]

I would try to have an intelligent conversation about this, but I'd rather not be bombarded with "he was tortured", "he was coerced", "it's not true!"

There is nothing good enough for some of you...

So yes, let's all agree that no one in American custody ever tells the truth, they're all tortured, they're all mistreated, and we are the evil empire that wants to suck the lifeblood out of the hearts of each and every one of your children.

Sometimes I wish that if people are just going to keep portraying the US as the devil regardless, we would act it.

</semi-pre-emptive strike'd>

A little message for the 1 person and XX number of people following that will state such a thing

I didn't say he didn't do any of the things he 'confessed' to, i said i doubt he had involvement in the vast majority of what he 'confessed' to.

And yes, i don't doubt that he was tortured. It seems that America now has power to forcibly kidnap somebody from any country they want and fly them to guantanamo to 'question' them...and don't tell me that this hasn't happened because it's a fact that it has on numerous occasions.

Right. I figured someone would say that. Of course if anyone confesses to anything to do with 9/11 or terrorism in general no one will believe it.
http://news.yahoo.co...ILa7O0e5oQTv5UB
If you will read this you will see that even the government officials are pretty much doubting him and they believe he is trying to exaggerate his own actions. They provide evidence in that article on how he is wrong in some of his claims as well. Government officials stating that. Why would they do that if they're trying to pretty much pin everything on him?

I didn't say that the American government were lying about anything, i just said that he had confessed to things which he hadn't done...exactly the same thing as those government officials are saying apparently...

Edited by Laser Wave, 15 March 2007 - 03:03 PM.

[Sweeney]

To be honest, if I was in prison, and likely to die there anyway... I'd probably make a similar confession.
I'd be remembered for a very long time, as an outrageously clever (if evil) person.
Sounds like a half decent way to go to me

[Jeff]

He's clearly lying. Nobody clan plan all those things single handedly.

Neither could Hitler, right?

Yeah, I think this guy is crazy. Sick.

[SupermanFTM]

I would try to have an intelligent conversation about this, but I'd rather not be bombarded with "he was tortured", "he was coerced", "it's not true!"

There is nothing good enough for some of you...

So yes, let's all agree that no one in American custody ever tells the truth, they're all tortured, they're all mistreated, and we are the evil empire that wants to suck the lifeblood out of the hearts of each and every one of your children.

Sometimes I wish that if people are just going to keep portraying the US as the devil regardless, we would act it.

</semi-pre-emptive strike'd>

A little message for the 1 person and XX number of people following that will state such a thing

I agree with you there, however I wouldn't be surprised if he were tortured given the things that we know the U.S has done. I, personally, don't believe he mastermined all of it himself, though he may have been a large part in it, just the logistics of it all seems unbelievable. At any rate, it's a confession, so we'll see what happens.

[foogie]

oh look! I'm going to lift some burdens from my holy master, Bin Laden, by taking the blame for him! I'LL BE A HERO! WHEEEEEEE

I hope your american government isn't stupid enough to fall for it.... XD

[Cataliste]

Just saw this on the news. Accoring to them, the government acknowledged using "extreme interigatin techniques". Sounds like a euphamism for TORTURE to me.

[Tetiel]

Just saw this on the news. Accoring to them, the government acknowledged using "extreme interigatin techniques". Sounds like a euphamism for TORTURE to me.

You know what... call me immoral I don't care but in some cases I agree with torture. If you have a sick bastard who is responsible for hundreds of deaths and you pretty much KNOW he did it and you want him punished at all costs, wouldn't you do it too? I sure as hell would. Hell, you guys even mentioned wanting to torture that guy in that other thread and he just killed a dog. Imagine now seeing all the pain of the families he is responsible for and imagine now how much you want him to suffer for it but as far as you can see there is no other way of getting him completely. What do you do? Honestly I highly doubt the torture methods are as widespread and that big of a deal as many people say they are. In some cases I am rather supportive of it and if that makes me cruel... again... so be it. I'm cruel.

[Waser Lave]

You know what... call me immoral I don't care but in some cases I agree with torture. If you have a sick bastard who is responsible for hundreds of deaths and you pretty much KNOW he did it and you want him punished at all costs, wouldn't you do it too? I sure as hell would. Hell, you guys even mentioned wanting to torture that guy in that other thread and he just killed a dog. Imagine now seeing all the pain of the families he is responsible for and imagine now how much you want him to suffer for it but as far as you can see there is no other way of getting him completely. What do you do? Honestly I highly doubt the torture methods are as widespread and that big of a deal as many people say they are. In some cases I am rather supportive of it and if that makes me cruel... again... so be it. I'm cruel.

There's a difference between torturing somebody because they're evil and deserve it, and torturing somebody to try to get information on which to prosecute them...

Information gained under torture is much less likely to stand up in court (well maybe not American courts...).

[Tetiel]

There's a difference between torturing somebody because they're evil and deserve it, and torturing somebody to try to get information on which to prosecute them...

Information gained under torture is much less likely to stand up in court (well maybe not American courts...).

And which do you think I think the US is doing?

[Waser Lave]

And which do you think I think the US is doing?

A bit of both i presume, obviously they want to get some information out of him, but i also suspect that the people carrying out the torture aren't completely untouched by the things which he is accused of having done so there's probably some hatred in there too. And without any independent witnesses or lawyers allowed to be there, they're more or less able to do whatever they want and nobody will find out...

I would also suspect that some of the techniques which have been used at guantanamo will have gone against the Geneva convention for this very reason but obviously we'll probably never find out.

One could easily argue that torture yields no acceptable information...

Edited by Laser Wave, 16 March 2007 - 08:05 AM.

[Cataliste]

If you torture someone long enough, they will tell you ANYTHING to make you stop. They will sign any piece of paper you put in front of them.

Torture is wrong.

Torture goes against all human morality.

[Coolio]

This guy had it coming; justice is served.

[Cataliste]

This guy had it coming; justice is served.

Is there even proof (other than his testimony produced under torture) that he did these things? Seriously, I don't know of any. I could well be wrong though.

Any reason he was imprissoned other than the fact he is Muslim?