Dumbass. If someone killed a guys sister, and he went off and killed the guy, that is murder... He doesn't deserve death. And there are plenty of cases where people don't deserve the death penalty
Mom Stabs Newborn 135 Times
#51
Posted 15 April 2007 - 07:59 AM
Dumbass. If someone killed a guys sister, and he went off and killed the guy, that is murder... He doesn't deserve death. And there are plenty of cases where people don't deserve the death penalty
#52
Posted 15 April 2007 - 09:29 AM
Pomroy, what really matters is how it happens. Vigilantism is not really allowed here in America.
If someone killed the guys sister, and the guy sees the person committing the crime and kills him right there the legal repercussions would be much less than if he found out who the killer was, planned a murder, and then committed it. Reminds me of A Time to Kill by John Grisham. Its a great read.
Edited by Hawk, 15 April 2007 - 09:29 AM.
#53
Posted 15 April 2007 - 10:56 AM
If someone killed the guys sister, and the guy sees the person committing the crime and kills him right there the legal repercussions would be much less than if he found out who the killer was, planned a murder, and then committed it. Reminds me of A Time to Kill by John Grisham. Its a great read.
Bah... The guy has it coming, the way I see it.
#54
Posted 15 April 2007 - 01:23 PM
#55
Posted 15 April 2007 - 07:48 PM
#56
Posted 15 April 2007 - 11:15 PM
#57
Posted 15 April 2007 - 11:23 PM
Stab it once or twice and its dead, but 135 times... o.o
#58
Posted 16 April 2007 - 06:40 AM
#59
Posted 16 April 2007 - 09:02 PM
Kindly explain how she'd be convicted of voluntary manslaughter? manslaughter here is defined as "Except as provided in section 178 of this Act, culpable homicide not amounting to murder is manslaughter" section 178 is the section about Infanticide which is what this situation is centered around. Manslaughter wouldn't even be an option.
Manslaughter: Voluntary
Voluntary manslaughter is commonly defined as an intentional killing in which the offender had no prior intent to kill, such as a killing that occurs in the "heat of passion." The circumstances leading to the killing must be the kind that would cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed; otherwise, the killing may be charged as a first-degree or second-degree murder.
A good Attorney could easily turn this to be a heat of passion case, as it has happened before. The difficult part would be the whole 135 stabs situation, but we could easily say she is mentally disturbed.
Isn't New Zealand's law system COMPLETELY different than the U.S. 's system? or at least I would assume considering it was cut off from the rest of the world when systems of law formed. I would guess it is based on a code system of law? The U.S.'s system was pretty much evolved from the British System of law.
Furthermore, I felt as if her replies were very arrogant in the own, and I'm sorry if I offended anyone, my point was to be so aggressive in my reply to stats error.
I do have a question though, how in the world does a psych major now anything about the law? lol...
It just that, a lot of what was posted was more or less baised on a European assumption of U.S. Laws, which do not work by any means the same way.
The manslaughter I quoted above is baised on a fedral statue which is probably much less agressive than the state she is in.
Just because she is being tried for first degree and is put in at a million bond, really doesn't mean much though. I'm sure plea-baragins will start.
In all, didn't mean to sound rude, however I do feel as if she probably will serve a limited term in jail and be fined.
Did I say "most" people do not know about law? No, you misunderstood, I was refering to that it seems Tetiel didn't understand that much. I was not refering to everyone in full.
Once again, sorry if I seemed like an ass...Oh well.
Edited by pktester, 16 April 2007 - 09:08 PM.
#60
Posted 16 April 2007 - 11:27 PM
I feel that way about a few of her posts, so don't feel you're alone in that thought.
Oh, and to my knowledge, NZ was founded for the most part, a British colony.
#61
Posted 17 April 2007 - 07:38 AM
#62
Posted 17 April 2007 - 11:07 PM
Oh wow, over-reaction. I was making the point that psych majors aren't law majors :-)
Calm down, don't get so upset...lol.
#63
Posted 18 April 2007 - 11:07 AM
And actually, you learn a hell of a lot about behaviour, profiling, disorders and the mind in general in psyc depending on the subjects you take. Explain how that doesn't aid in mens rea, defenses and such ...
It's why I'm taking psyc as my major in my social science degree - to aid my law degree.
And heat of passion? If that's attempted, there's no way... there's no possible argument or any form of provocation from the child.
And yeah, I never cared what would happen in the US court system, I said that almost from the start. I was taking it from an NZ perspective because there's plenty of people with US perspectives already.
If your going to be an attorney, better learn to handle my, simple and kind, "attacks". Furthermore, cases like this are commonly pulled into heat of passion cases, happens quite often in the U.S.
Furthemore, the only reason I said the things the, apparently, rude way I did was because Tetiel seemed to be attacking those who were expressing their own points of view.
Anyhow, this thread is old and should die anyhow.
It is common, under the advice of many attorneys and professor, to shy away from Psych classes and espeically a major when studying law. Proper undergrads educate you how to think as an attorney, while as Psych has a different way of thinking.
Edited by pktester, 18 April 2007 - 11:10 AM.
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