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#1 Ives

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 09:14 AM

I don't go to school. I got out of it early. I tried attending college numerous times but each time I failed to maintain myself in the environment. Only difference is I can respect college's. However, I think that compulsory education is bullshit. I'm not just talking American education, I mean the worldwide shitty laws which try to force a kid to go to school.

School, for a start, is a system. When you go to school, you are no longer an individual. You are a number which will be directed to certain "ranks" where teachers will indoctrinate you with tons of useless bullshit without giving you any real practical advice. Real learning is bad in most schools. People naturally tend to be pretty intelligent, yet if they try to learn something they want to learn, theyll be faced with math homework, or english homework, or whatever to keep them outside. The only hope you have is to do very well, in which case the school will suck up to you to keep you as a "shining example."

People, paticularly in America, have a tendency to talk about "the failure of education." Theyll try to change little things expecting the school system to change radically. It's never going to work unless you change it from bottom up. Theres only one problem with that: schools are doing their jobs. When a kid gets out of high school, their desire to learn is almost certainly lost forever, if not, to a major degree. And yet it's not the individual, but the education system.

My advice? Bail as soon as you can. Read a book. Make your own transcript for college purposes. Do it yourself. You will find that whatever your career is can be focused on, and soon that most things will interest you and your desire to learn will be restored a good deal.

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    #2 Cory

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    Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:53 AM

    Not really anything to debate, as you didn't really ask opinions. tongue.gif

    I agree that the school system is really lacking and the only way to fix it is rework it from the ground up. Two of my really good friends dropped out of school, one of which has went on to college and now makes the most of anyone I know ( which is a large chunk since I work at a lawyers office, * ie - lots of rich friends)

    Public education isn't completely lacking, as it gets you some things that home schooling and such wouldn't. Life experience really starts with school. Some of your best friend ships will originate in school. As far as the actual learning goes, very little is actually accomplished from the schools. Every now and then you may find a teacher who really gets you to think and learn, but the vast majority is just a waste.

    I actually got into a argument with my ex girlfriend a few weeks about this issue. I don't see how anyone has the right to tell me that I have to go some where.

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    Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:58 AM

    QUOTE (Cory @ Feb 25 2008, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I don't see how anyone has the right to tell me that I have to go some where.



    #4 Jakerz

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    Posted 25 February 2008 - 12:44 PM

    I believe it is lacking, but most places these days you need at least a high school diploma in order to get hired.

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    Posted 25 February 2008 - 12:53 PM

    I pretty much "dropped out" because of every one of those reasons, however I've been home schooled to make up for it. So it's not like I'm getting an education. Sad part is my test scores and average grades are higher than the teenagers my age who are attending public schooling in my area.

    I do have to agree though. When I still went to public schooling any and all desire I had to learn just..wasn't there. Then again being surrounded by people who were only there for free lunch, to talk, or just screw around didn't help that either. And it didn't help that my teachers were moving too damn fast for me to understand anything.

    The entire system could be reworked, but I highly doubt it will, it's been like this far too long so no one associated with it would want to change it now. -.-

    Edited by Tailwind, 25 February 2008 - 12:54 PM.


    #6 Fatal

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    Posted 25 February 2008 - 02:23 PM

    I agree with you all to some extent, I think school should be required until 8th grade, because you already know most of what you are going to learn in school by that time. I believe 9-12 is only good for social reasons, otherwise its a waste of time. I am in 10th atm and having my most difficult year of school so far, but socially its been the best year so far.

    #7 Tetiel

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    Posted 25 February 2008 - 03:56 PM

    The system is in a way there to protect people from themselves. Unfortunate for those who don't need protection who choose to drop out anyways but I see you as a minority compared to the people who are too immature to realize that they will get NOWHERE in life if they don't have a diploma. Those who don't need protection are obviously competent enough that they don't need a diploma to prove themselves. The system is there to protect children against their own laziness or their nutcase parents (mostly from their own laziness or lack of motivation. They don't realize how much they are hurting themselves as psychologically a lot of teens are incapable of thinking for the future). My father is on the truancy board and the kids who are called there who don't go to school very often are very troubled kids. They have a very unfortunate life and they need the enforcement and school to get themselves back on track. They're... doomed if they don't have it. Absolutely doomed :\

    (oh, and home schooling does not count for this argument)

    Also Fatal wait till you get further along in high school before you judge it as a waste of time. I didn't learn much in my first two years of high school but once I started taking more advanced classes I learned more than I had ever hoped for.

    #8 Fatal

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    Posted 25 February 2008 - 04:13 PM

    QUOTE (Tetiel @ Feb 25 2008, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Also Fatal wait till you get further along in high school before you judge it as a waste of time. I didn't learn much in my first two years of high school but once I started taking more advanced classes I learned more than I had ever hoped for.

    You're the first i've heard say that smile.gif

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    realize that they will get NOWHERE in life if they don't have a diploma.

    eh, not if you are planning to take the GED, go to community college, then transfer to a good college (which is what I'm considering)

    #9 Tetiel

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    Posted 25 February 2008 - 05:27 PM

    QUOTE (Fatal @ Feb 25 2008, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    You're the first i've heard say that smile.gif


    eh, not if you are planning to take the GED, go to community college, then transfer to a good college (which is what I'm considering)

    You could do that but colleges prefer students with high school diplomas. Honestly if you apply yourself and actually give a shit and take courses that you know will challenge you... you will learn smile.gif If you don't, you won't learn. Simple as that. Early on in your high school career they force you to take general classes and don't give you a choice. Once you have that choice you will learn.

    #10 Ives

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    Posted 25 February 2008 - 08:00 PM

    The GED is a bad idea if your parents can approve unschooling. That way you can pretty much make your own transcript. What theyll look at are usually SATs and stuff. If you cant be considered "self educated" its not the best idea. I have a GED, anyways, and if I had just done that route I would probably be in college somewhere nice right now. I got in a few good schools, but nonetheless it wasn't anything super outstanding.

    QUOTE (Cory @ Feb 25 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Public education isn't completely lacking, as it gets you some things that home schooling and such wouldn't. Life experience really starts with school. Some of your best friend ships will originate in school. As far as the actual learning goes, very little is actually accomplished from the schools. Every now and then you may find a teacher who really gets you to think and learn, but the vast majority is just a waste.

    I disagree. I think if kids taught themselves, chances are theyd have much more time to devote to being friends with others, and probably have a healthier relationship. A lot of kids, I wont say the majority, but still a large number, can become hermits, regardless of who they spend their time with. That depends on parenting and psychology for the most part. Most however are pretty social and will get that interaction many ways. Organizing kids in a class may provide for a large community but there are better ways (Groups, lessons, etc) that seem to work better.

    And I'm totally not against college, and its a much better outlet.


    #11 Raillery

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    Posted 25 February 2008 - 09:22 PM

    QUOTE (Tetiel @ Feb 25 2008, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    they will get NOWHERE in life if they don't have a diploma.


    If you equate "getting somewhere" in life with money, then I agree not having a diploma would make this difficult. However, life isn't about material things. It's about discovering yourself and what you enjoy. You don't need a diploma to do that.

    I agree that most schools don't allow kids to truly learn. I've been having a rough time in school this year. Not with the grades, but with my mental state. I realized that most of what I'm doing in school is not intellectually challenging in the least. It's all copy this paste that. Busy work. Intelligence should not be equated with how much work a person is willing to do. It really bothers me. sad.gif

    #12 foogie

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    Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:17 PM

    im dropping out of university as soon as this semester is up smile.gif



    I believe if someone thinks its the best thing to do for their certain case, it will work for them, but for the majority, workplaces will not recopgnize a diploma from the school of my kitchen. 1we8.gif

    I have a carreer already, so I dont really need that shit.... but unless you're already set, i dont think dropping out can do much good unless you want to be a janitor the rest of your life.

    #13 The Defier

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    Posted 26 February 2008 - 12:57 AM

    Well, I don't like the thought of going to school either.. (heck, nobody does)

    But I think it's a-okay that we're all being "forced" to endure it in order to have a better life later on.

    Our parents endured it, and it's kind of implemented into our culture already, in a good way. Besides, it pays off to know lots of stuff... higher chance to know what to do when faced with a weird predicament like being trapped underwater in a cage with an elephant!

    If you didn't go to school or attend any sort of education, chances are you'd be as creative as a rock. But if you did, chances are, one or two ideas will pop into your brain that will keep you living.

    But if you DID go to school, chances are you won't find yourself in a stupid predicament like that wink.gif

    #14 Tetiel

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    Posted 26 February 2008 - 04:40 AM

    QUOTE (Raillery @ Feb 25 2008, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    If you equate "getting somewhere" in life with money, then I agree not having a diploma would make this difficult. However, life isn't about material things. It's about discovering yourself and what you enjoy. You don't need a diploma to do that.

    I agree that most schools don't allow kids to truly learn. I've been having a rough time in school this year. Not with the grades, but with my mental state. I realized that most of what I'm doing in school is not intellectually challenging in the least. It's all copy this paste that. Busy work. Intelligence should not be equated with how much work a person is willing to do. It really bothers me. sad.gif

    It's very hard to get into most professions that people typically wish to have without a high school diploma. Unless you wish to have a minorly above minimum wage job you will not be very happy. Most people aspire to do things that require some college and not having even high school closes a lot of doors. That's all the government is preventing. Trying to get you to not close doors. Unfortunately once they are closed they are difficult to reopen. School sucks but get over it. It's needed in our world. We all did it and moved on to better things.

    #15 Fatal

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    Posted 26 February 2008 - 02:08 PM

    QUOTE (Tetiel @ Feb 25 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    You could do that but colleges prefer students with high school diplomas. Honestly if you apply yourself and actually give a shit and take courses that you know will challenge you... you will learn smile.gif If you don't, you won't learn. Simple as that. Early on in your high school career they force you to take general classes and don't give you a choice. Once you have that choice you will learn.

    Community colleges dont care much if you have a diploma or not, and once you do 2 years in a community college, you can try and get transferred to a good college, and the good college will mostly pay attention to your college grades

    #16 Tetiel

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    Posted 26 February 2008 - 05:16 PM

    QUOTE (Fatal @ Feb 26 2008, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Community colleges dont care much if you have a diploma or not, and once you do 2 years in a community college, you can try and get transferred to a good college, and the good college will mostly pay attention to your college grades

    Yes, you can go that route but generally a lot of students at least in my experience prefer going directly to a four year university. If you are planning on getting a GED that's fine but at least you're going into further education. I was more talking about people who just drop out drop out. As in just get a GED and expect to get a good job with it. My father said that as a small business employer he wondered what was wrong with the people who just got GEDs instead of diplomas and was less likely to hire because a GED can mean a lot of things. Unfortunately because of this they have a negative impact with some employers. Therefore it is generally better to just live with it and get your high school diploma.

    #17 Ives

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    Posted 26 February 2008 - 05:27 PM

    QUOTE (The Defier @ Feb 26 2008, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Well, I don't like the thought of going to school either.. (heck, nobody does)

    But I think it's a-okay that we're all being "forced" to endure it in order to have a better life later on.

    Our parents endured it, and it's kind of implemented into our culture already, in a good way. Besides, it pays off to know lots of stuff... higher chance to know what to do when faced with a weird predicament like being trapped underwater in a cage with an elephant!

    If you didn't go to school or attend any sort of education, chances are you'd be as creative as a rock. But if you did, chances are, one or two ideas will pop into your brain that will keep you living.

    But if you DID go to school, chances are you won't find yourself in a stupid predicament like that wink.gif


    I think the opposite. Chances are you'd be much more genuinely interested in everything, even your weak points. And I think youd be less discouraged to be creative as you would be in an education system.


    #18 Gnome

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    Posted 29 February 2008 - 03:09 AM

    The public school system is flawed and corrupt where I live. I dropped out because it's more like prison.

    I'm homeschooling through Keystone National Highschool and I have to say that I've learned about 100 times more then I ever would in Public High School.

    #19 Jake

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    Posted 04 March 2008 - 01:51 PM

    School is supposedly learning about how to be an individual and just getting education.

    Yet they put people into large groups, and judge us on our answers. Math for example, obviously isn't about opinion, but completely about getting a right answer. The funny thing is, most people later on in life don't use math (Even the ones that do, just use calculators.)

    We should get choices, school should be optional, apparently kids from 3rd world countries would love to be learning in a school (According to every teacher I've had.), so I say go ahead and let them learn. It's all bullcrap and we shouldn't have to be there. Sure I wouldn't like to be in their position either, but why can't we just live our own lives?

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