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#1 Quadra

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 06:25 PM

Quite the strange thing sleep.gif

You spend hundreds of hours trying to get one and yet, many of the things you "learn", you will soon forget.

What you do manage to maintain will soon be outdated...

It's a symbol that tries to reflect an experience, but that experience is different for every individual who gains it. Is there really a point to them today other than to act as a barrier to entry for certain positions?

Perhaps we should do away with them altogether. huh.gif

Edited by Quadra, 07 March 2009 - 06:30 PM.


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    #2 Jakerz

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    Posted 07 March 2009 - 06:27 PM

    They're important for certain things, but I agree with every point and would much rather go into a trade tongue.gif

    #3 travis

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    Posted 07 March 2009 - 06:32 PM

    A degree is a piece of paper that's costed you thounands of dollars.

    #4 Guest_Ali_*

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    Posted 07 March 2009 - 07:30 PM

    Mine's rather fantastic. happy.gif

    #5 ShadowLink64

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    Posted 07 March 2009 - 07:47 PM

    Well, for engineering, the degree is useful. I don't think that what I'm doing is useless, since employers do not hire engineers that don't have an engineering degree (unless its something closely related like computing science or something). It is kind of a barrier, but probably a good barrier since you don't want someone inept designing the bridge that you drive on everyday, or designing the electrical system that is keeping people on life support, etc. There has to be some kind of 'quality assurance'.

    #6 Alex

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    Posted 07 March 2009 - 08:17 PM

    QUOTE (tjGunter @ Mar 7 2009, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    A degree is a piece of paper that's costed you thounands of dollars.

    I dare you to go to a doctor who doesn't have this expensive piece of paper tongue.gif

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    Posted 07 March 2009 - 08:41 PM

    QUOTE (Alex @ Mar 7 2009, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I dare you to go to a doctor who doesn't have this expensive piece of paper tongue.gif

    Im mexican I do it all the time tongue.gif

    #8 Leonor

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    Posted 07 March 2009 - 09:27 PM

    ... a foundation on which you build a career. It gives you the tools to perform your chosen profession and gives your employer confidence that you will be able to do the job for which you were hired. Even trades people have to be licensed in most states in the US... so another piece of paper that requires time, money and a demonstration of proficiency.

    #9 Guest_Ali_*

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    Posted 07 March 2009 - 09:48 PM

    QUOTE (Kitsune @ Mar 8 2009, 04:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    It's disturbing being told that the sheer majority of a law degree is in actual fact useless when it comes to the practise of law.
    Mostly it's learnt on the job, and plenty of the academic work you do isn't even close to what is expected in the legal world.

    It both comforts me and scares me - at least if I feel as though I'm not prepared for a real job as a lawyer, it's expected that as a jr lawyer, you won't really know what you're doing.

    The main 2 things my degree teaches me is:
    1) How to learn, find, and interpret the law.
    2) How to write legal opinions, follow legal procedures and handle negotiations.

    These are the skills that I will need. The rest is superfluous and just plain annoying.

    Out of interest, do you have to study law as a degree to practise law in NZ?

    In England we can do a 1 year conversion course after taking a degree in any subject and that's just as good as studying for a standard 3 year LLB. In fact a lot of firms appreciate non-law students as they'll have different skills to offer. My brother was saying the other week that as firms are currently taking on fewer trainees due to the economic climate, the firm he works for is now advising students to only study law for their degree if they think they'll really enjoy the subject in an academic context. If there's any other subject that they think they'd prefer or do better in, they should do that instead to ensure the best marks possible and then convert afterwards. Too much competition in the City to not have top marks.

    #10 Fatal

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    Posted 08 March 2009 - 04:00 AM

    School / College is all about running through the hoops, whoever can complete the race will get a job...

    #11 Quadra

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    Posted 08 March 2009 - 06:41 AM

    QUOTE (ShadowLink64 @ Mar 7 2009, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    employers do not hire engineers that don't have an engineering degree
    There has to be some kind of 'quality assurance'.

    QUOTE (Leonor @ Mar 8 2009, 01:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Even trades people have to be licensed in most states in the US...


    Indeed it would seem either very difficult or illegal for certain professions (engineering,trades,medicine,law) because they have been licensed and certified to death. Professional associations in these industries really dominate accreditation and force all to accept their standards and guidelines if they want to practice.

    I haven't decided as of yet whether this is benefit or not. unsure.gif

    #12 Oaken

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    Posted 08 March 2009 - 07:39 AM

    I see a Degree as something that could potentially get you a job over someone else or cost you the job. I have 3 years experience in my profession (fitness instructor/personal trainer) now and don't have a degree in exercise science for example but would probably be given the job over someone applying with a degree. The reason being, there is a lot more to a job than what you learn in College or University.

    Sometimes getting on the job ladder early can be advantage rather than spending 3/4 years at uni and then starting at the bottom.

    #13 Tetiel

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    Posted 08 March 2009 - 10:18 AM

    It depends completely on the job. Computer tech? Programmer? Absolutely, but that's why you don't hire people who have been jobless in that area for 5 years unless they can produce some proof of competence in the field still. A degree is important still because it proves that you HAVE learned about the basics at least.

    A degree in certain fields is essential, though. Like people have mentioned a medical degree is absolutely essential. Sure, for surgeons there's all sorts of new procedures, but you won't usually learn those new procedures in a university anyways until it's become popular anyways. There are some somewhat useless degrees like the one I'm perusing like art and illustration BUT going to the college is getting me proper training and advise from my professors.

    #14 Ives

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    Posted 08 March 2009 - 11:41 PM

    Just depends on the field. You don't really need a college degree to succeed, just a good amount of self study. It helps you become a bit more of an individual and a bit more in the natural state than the guy who went to 6 years of school to get a good degree in English only to find themselves working in a sandwich shop or as a technical writer in a cubicle.

    #15 Frizzle

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    Posted 09 March 2009 - 07:27 AM

    A degree is the proper measurement of temperature/thread

    #16 nox

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    Posted 10 March 2009 - 11:08 AM

    i dont got no mothafuckin college degree and im successful



    #17 Frizzle

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    Posted 10 March 2009 - 11:47 AM

    QUOTE (nox @ Mar 10 2009, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    i dont got no mothafuckin college degree and im ethnic



    well duh


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