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#1 Tetiel

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Posted 21 April 2009 - 09:33 AM

It's something that none of us seem to have for each other. Every single one of us is guilty of this including myself. I will be the first to admit this is true of myself, and it's an aspect of ourselves that every single one of us needs to work on

It's too easy for us to find a scapegoat, a victim, and harass and blame everything on them. Enough is enough. This is something that is particularly common for the site especially recently. Everyone has been especially viscous against each other. We have always had our own little cliques on codex, but this has honestly gone more extreme than I have ever seen it. We are all biting at each others heels and trying in every possible way to make the others look bad. Everybody thinks that THEY are the victims and that they have done nothing wrong. Everybody that they have venomous words for, deserves it.

Maybe this might be true. Maybe sometimes people do deserve it, and fine. But this is all too much. People do change. People sometimes do take in consideration the criticism that you have for them. It might take some time for them to change, but they do eventually. Treating people to be the same exact person you think they were a year ago is unfair. Maybe you've come back from a year haitus. The people around you are not the same as they were. Codex is not the same as it was.

In the case of Kitsune, she may not have always had the most tolerance for everybody around her, but I ASSURE you, she has tried hard. Maybe her crime is simply caring too much about what goes around here. But some of you have driven away the hardest working active person here. She did not always deserve the constant comments this community has made towards her. A lot of you assumed that she was the same person that she was a year ago every time she let your comments or someone else's get to her. But I imagine at least some of you would react the same way if just about every single action you take, every post you make had animosity from the very people you tried to help.

I am not by any means saying you should respect somebody just because they're staff. I'm not saying you should even like them. Kitsune is not a lone case in this. Many of you, including myself, have scapegoats that you want to lynch every single time something bad happens. These people aren't responsible for every single fall, so stop it. This site is meant to be a community. Act like it. You don't need to like everybody here. In fact, no one will like everybody here, but please, for the sake of the site try to get along. Once again this goes for everybody including myself.

tl;dr: Stop being jerks towards each other, and give others the respect they deserve. Maybe once we get along instead of trying to drive each other away. Maybe this site will attract new members and get more lifeblood instead of driving them away with this obvious tension and hatred within the member base.

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    #2 Cory

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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 11:43 AM



    #3 Sida

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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 11:48 AM

    She's always been an awesome Smod. The others were being pricks in that topic. It's got to the point though where codex is so dead that people have stopped caring and will argue for the sake of it. There's what, 10 people left? Honestly it's probably worth Hydro saving his money now.

    #4 ericcc

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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 01:20 PM

    I don't know if I should be really happy or not

    Cause she was the only person doing SOMETHING
    even if I usually didn't like what she did

    #5 Nick

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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 01:28 PM

    Just ban the troublemakers.

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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 01:49 PM

    QUOTE (Nick @ Apr 21 2009, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Just ban the troublemakers.


    +1. Sort of. Call them out on their actions rather then hide behind vague accusations.

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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 01:51 PM

    I don't possess enough hands for the amount of facepalmage that happened.

    #8 Tetiel

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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 02:02 PM

    QUOTE (Mr. Hobo @ Apr 21 2009, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    +1. Sort of. Call them out on their actions rather then hide behind vague accusations.

    I suppose I could, but in reality I think we're all guilty of this in varying degrees. I didn't want this to start drama and this isn't even all about Kitsune. It's about what I think is behind everything that is wrong with this site. People just hate each other and can't get over things that we did over a year ago. When the member base is this young, we can all mature a lot. I have changed a lot in the last year, I know that much.

    #9 Bryan

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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 02:25 PM

    QUOTE (Tetiel @ Apr 21 2009, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I suppose I could, but in reality I think we're all guilty of this in varying degrees. I didn't want this to start drama and this isn't even all about Kitsune. It's about what I think is behind everything that is wrong with this site. People just hate each other and can't get over things that we did over a year ago. When the member base is this young, we can all mature a lot. I have changed a lot in the last year, I know that much.

    It's not all about Kitsune, she's just a player in the whole forum.

    People don't hate each other. I mean hell, we don't know each other so how can we hate?

    You're never going to have respect on a forum with a stagnate member base, especially if dissent is already made.

    #10 travis

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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 03:23 PM



    Respectin tbh is a IRL thingz, dis bein da internetz, we dun need eny rspektz.

    edit: Alright, I fuckin read it.
    Kitsune: boo fucking hoo. It's the fucking internet, if you don't like it, get the fuck out of here.

    edit2: oh, she did.

    I never really had a problem with Kits, but really...cry more, if some forum in teh webz meenz dat much to youz, gtfo a life

    Edited by tjGunter, 21 April 2009 - 03:28 PM.


    #11 ZERO

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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 07:17 PM

    lolz;; ^^

    #12 sonic

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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 08:22 PM

    Kitsune is a btich. Straight up. But no more that tet.

    Kitsune is the most loyal active staff we have.
    She has done so much for the site.
    So fuck you euph.


    #13 ericcc

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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 08:23 PM

    QUOTE (Joshizzle @ Apr 21 2009, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Kitsune is a bitch. Straight up.
    but

    Kitsune is the most loyal active staff we have.
    She has done so much for the site.


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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 09:06 PM

    QUOTE (Armand Sickle @ Apr 21 2009, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Hm, had no idea this was going on to this degree, perhaps I'm just very oblivious, but I thought Kitsune was doing a wonderful job. Somebody care to fill me in?

    For myself, I'm arrogant at times, but I've always given people that I've debated with a chance to redeem themselves if they've proven to be a handful, if the person is baselessly racist (as all racism is) then I just have no tolerance for it, there's simply no justification for a person's (seemingly) impervious conclusion of racial superiority.

    I don't mean to sound cheesy, but I think we all just need to understand we're all equally ignorant (and equally knowledgeable), nobody's correct, and there's things we can all learn from one another. It's a bit disheartening to see a healthy debate here, consisting of well-presented statistics and facts ruined by an ad hominem attack only snowballed by the succeeding responses. Let's all chillax.

    One love.

    Edit: Only after writing this have I discovered Kitsune retired. I still don't know enough about the issue to really comment more than I have. I personally can't recall any complaints I've had with her and would like to see her back. On the flipside, I know where she's coming from if she feels she's put the burden of the community on her shoulders and needs a break from it. Best of luck in all you decide to do, you have my support and respect in whatever you choose it to be. Hope your company will remain.
    One love.

    I came to the same conclusion as your edit upon reading your edit. I find I am behind on the times, and caught with my foot in my mouth. Honestly, I cannot say I'm not sad to see her go. Ange has done a lot for the community. I remember a lot of history within the community, and am now reminded of the loss of innocence. I hope you're reading this, because I do remember having fun on Maplestory and whatnot. Your contributions to policy, while not in line with mine will not be forgotten. When I read staff general, your name will still be in the discussions. I consider you (and please read my sincerity) as much an asset as Cameron and Ali, as well as all retired staff.

    On a related point I think staff would welcome you back at any point, should you reconsider your decision. I presume to speak for staff, but I speak with a clear conscious when I say you're not a bother. The sum of your sins is no more than any man's, and the fact that people pick on you is nothing to be ashamed of.

    Staff has a lot of work to do. I feel like I'm letting codex down, to see it in these conditions. What can I do? Someone tell me.

    #15 needtoseesomething

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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 10:03 PM

    This seems strangely ironic.

    #16 sonic

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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 10:43 PM

    QUOTE (needtoseesomething @ Apr 21 2009, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    This seems strangely ironic.


    Your not referring to the fact that josh went batshit cause no one had any respect for anyone and now the same people who laughed and said you were over-reacting are not preaching respect?


    #17 Breadfan

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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 11:06 PM

    Kitsune always struck me as a colossal biznatch. Like the kind that would sneer at anything she didn't have control over and freak out over someone leaving the toilet seat up (FUCK EVERYONE THAT CARES ABOUT THAT SHIT. I had to lift the goddamn thing up and I don't bitch at you for leaving it down. Look before you leap.)

    That being said, (keeping in mind that I'm completely aware that my word means very little) I would rather she just stopped being a bitch and stick around than to give up and leave.







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    Posted 21 April 2009 - 11:12 PM

    QUOTE (Breadfan @ Apr 22 2009, 08:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    That being said, (keeping in mind that I'm completely aware that my word means very little) I would rather she just stopped being a bitch and stick around than to give up and leave.


    That's exactly what I was trying to push across, not GO THE FUCK AWAY KITSUNE BECAUSE YOU SUCK ETC ETC ETC QUIT SMOD AND GO AWAY which is what everybody and their mother apparently thinks I did

    No amount of work you do for anything gives you the right to be an absolute total condescending bitch whenever somebody disagrees with you in the slightest. If she's leaving, then that's a shame - because if she got her goddamn act together and was actually nice to people for a bit (which was the point of my entire post, actually) then holy shit, we might actually start drawing new members again!

    It's sad that she's ousting because of this though. I thought a little more of her than that. But whatever, what's done is done - time to move along

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    Posted 22 April 2009 - 01:03 AM

    QUOTE (Breadfan @ Apr 22 2009, 03:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Kitsune always struck me as a colossal biznatch. Like the kind that would sneer at anything she didn't have control over and freak out over someone leaving the toilet seat up (FUCK EVERYONE THAT CARES ABOUT THAT SHIT. I had to lift the goddamn thing up and I don't bitch at you for leaving it down. Look before you leap.)

    That being said, (keeping in mind that I'm completely aware that my word means very little) I would rather she just stopped being a bitch and stick around than to give up and leave.


    Everyone on this forum is a bitch at one point or another, and 'bitch' is a pretty relative term. For someone who rarely posts outside the LPC section, I can't exactly see how you would have an accurate baring on Kitsune's personality or general attitude. I've had my stand-offs and disagreements with her, but I can still recognize all the good that she has done for this website, and I can also see that for the amount of posts she makes, the percentage of them that are actually "bitchy" amounts to far less than some of the other trolls on this forum.

    QUOTE (Euphoria @ Apr 22 2009, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    No amount of work you do for anything gives you the right to be an absolute total condescending bitch whenever somebody disagrees with you in the slightest. If she's leaving, then that's a shame - because if she got her goddamn act together and was actually nice to people for a bit (which was the point of my entire post, actually) then holy shit, we might actually start drawing new members again!


    You might want to consider following your own advice.

    #20 414de7fe6

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    This is pointless. Even an announcement thread degrades to this incessant shit.

    She's gone. Life goes on. Maybe she'll come back, maybe she wont. Who knows. Give her a few days to cool-off and we'll probably end up seeing her as smod again. Hopefully something will amount from all this rather than more bullshit - I think we can all agree that's the last thing the site needs right now.

    Edited by Euphoria, 22 April 2009 - 03:27 AM.


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    Posted 22 April 2009 - 07:52 AM

    QUOTE (Joshizzle @ Apr 22 2009, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


    What's amusing to me is that you aren't even able to abstain from fighting in a thread which is calling for a greater level of respect and fewer petty arguments.

    #22 Tetiel

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    Posted 22 April 2009 - 08:05 AM

    QUOTE (tjGunter @ Apr 21 2009, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Respectin tbh is a IRL thingz, dis bein da internetz, we dun need eny rspektz.

    edit: Alright, I fuckin read it.
    Kitsune: boo fucking hoo. It's the fucking internet, if you don't like it, get the fuck out of here.

    edit2: oh, she did.

    I never really had a problem with Kits, but really...cry more, if some forum in teh webz meenz dat much to youz, gtfo a life

    We are a community of people who exist in real life. Why is respect only need to be a real life thing. What changes in the internet gives anyone the right to be an asshole? Oh, because it won't effect you in real life and people won't discover that you're a prick on the internet? Poor excuse. This was her first internet forum. It was extremely hard for her to grasp that she didn't need to think of these as real words from real people I guess *rolls eyes*

    QUOTE (Joshizzle @ Apr 22 2009, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Kitsune is a btich. Straight up. But no more that tet.

    Kitsune is the most loyal active staff we have.
    She has done so much for the site.
    So fuck you euph.

    LOL you say fuck you euph like you're completely innocent and you never harmed her. You of course weren't responsible for pushing her towards her breaking point AT ALL.

    QUOTE (Joshizzle @ Apr 22 2009, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Your not referring to the fact that josh went batshit cause no one had any respect for anyone and now the same people who laughed and said you were over-reacting are not preaching respect?

    I assure you, I was one of those who wanted respect for Josh. We are not the same people.

    QUOTE (Breadfan @ Apr 22 2009, 03:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Kitsune always struck me as a colossal biznatch. Like the kind that would sneer at anything she didn't have control over and freak out over someone leaving the toilet seat up (FUCK EVERYONE THAT CARES ABOUT THAT SHIT. I had to lift the goddamn thing up and I don't bitch at you for leaving it down. Look before you leap.)

    That being said, (keeping in mind that I'm completely aware that my word means very little) I would rather she just stopped being a bitch and stick around than to give up and leave.

    She struck you, but you didn't know her at all, did you? Why did you even bother saying more things like this.

    QUOTE (Euphoria @ Apr 22 2009, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    That's exactly what I was trying to push across, not GO THE FUCK AWAY KITSUNE BECAUSE YOU SUCK ETC ETC ETC QUIT SMOD AND GO AWAY which is what everybody and their mother apparently thinks I did

    No amount of work you do for anything gives you the right to be an absolute total condescending bitch whenever somebody disagrees with you in the slightest. If she's leaving, then that's a shame - because if she got her goddamn act together and was actually nice to people for a bit (which was the point of my entire post, actually) then holy shit, we might actually start drawing new members again!

    It's sad that she's ousting because of this though. I thought a little more of her than that. But whatever, what's done is done - time to move along

    She was trying to get her act together, that's what you didn't see, Euph. You saw one thing and didn't even think that she might have been trying. She's ousting because of the amount of abuse she got on a regular basis. It wasn't just you who put her over the age. It was multiple people that night. I think you're the new scapegoat, which means this topic has become a moot.

    NONE OF YOU HAVE SEEN THE FUCKING POINT OF THIS THREAD. THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT KITSUNE JESUS CHRIST.

    #23 Frizzle

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    Posted 22 April 2009 - 08:14 AM

    FUCK OFF AND GET ME A SAMMICH

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    Posted 22 April 2009 - 08:17 AM

    QUOTE (Frizzle @ Apr 22 2009, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    FUCK OFF AND GET ME A SAMMICH

    Too late. I'm already making one because I'm such a good woman.

    Look at what this topic has become. This is not about who did what and to who. This is about ALL OF US. We are ALL guilty of ganging up against each other. We're all guilty of finding scapegoats and look at what you're doing in this thread. The same thing I told all of you to try not to do. You've missed the point completely and I'm just about to lose all faith on some of our member's reading comprehension.

    #25 Breadfan

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    QUOTE (Nick @ Apr 22 2009, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    For someone who rarely posts outside the LPC section, I can't exactly see how you would have an accurate baring on Kitsune's personality or general attitude. I've had my stand-offs and disagreements with her, but I can still recognize all the good that she has done for this website, and I can also see that for the amount of posts she makes, the percentage of them that are actually "bitchy" amounts to far less than some of the other trolls on this forum.


    If I thought she was as bad as some of the trolls on this forum, I would have celebrated her leave. I think she has the cognitive capacity to make great posts, and I agree that she's done some great for this forum.

    As far as my ability to have an accurate baring on her personality- I didn't necessarily post a ton outside of LPC but I sure as hell used to lurk 'n read. I made the effort to come out of the LPC area, but maybe my tie to it might be because she didn't make a lot of appearances there herself.

    Again, I don't think she's incapable of being kind, as I've seen it before.

    QUOTE (Tetiel @ Apr 22 2009, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    She struck you, but you didn't know her at all, did you? Why did you even bother saying more things like this.


    uh... I was a somewhat active member. This would be the type of member whose opinion should matter just as much as any other if not more. it's people that are coming in and seeing unjust and inappropriate behavior (from members or mods) that turn around and leave this forum or worse.(That statement was not directed solely at Kitsune BTW)

    So to say that I didn't know her is accurate as far as a personal relationship but even if I only had a substantial first impression of her it shouldn't be looked at as negligible, especially if several others agree.



    and again, for the record... I don't hate Kitsune. I'd like her to come back. I'd like to come back to this forum more often myself, in fact.


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