31 replies to this topic

[Slawter]

I was reading in the newspaper this morning about a debate on whether internet users have the right to remain completely anonymous or should everyone be completely indetifiable? Thought it would be interesting to get some other peoples oppinonis

[Sweeney]

The word "right" is a lazy argument.
People don't have the right to be anything.

[Faval]

There's no such thing anyway, if they really wanted to have an idea of who you were, they'd trace you back to your ISP and get the info.

[Slawter]

There's no such thing anyway, if they really wanted to have an idea of who you were, they'd trace you back to your ISP and get the info.

I think the general idea was to make anybody be able to do this, as it stands at the moment not many people know how/are able to track your ISP. Also this so called system would have your name/address details linked to your IP address

[iargue]

I think the general idea was to make anybody be able to do this, as it stands at the moment not many people know how/are able to track your ISP. Also this so called system would have your name/address details linked to your IP address

Welcome to the world of IP Address Spoofing.

An Ip Address means absolutely nothing. At any time you can get an entirely different ip address, or assume one of another.

Hell, I can mimic your Mac Address, Ip Address, and your browser. I could become you as easily as it is to entire in numbers.

[Lucian]

So getting cloak IN IRC makes no difference?

[iargue]

So getting cloak IN IRC makes no difference?

Not at all.

It just means that people cant see your ip address when you join. Meaning they cant find what city your in, or close to. Nothing else. :|

[Slawter]

The "system" would mean all world governments agreeing to it also, i really can't see how that much data can be compiled but i can sort of get their reasoning behind it.

[Kyle]

Welcome to the world of IP Address Spoofing.

An Ip Address means absolutely nothing. At any time you can get an entirely different ip address, or assume one of another.

Hell, I can mimic your Mac Address, Ip Address, and your browser. I could become you as easily as it is to entire in numbers.

Is this like programs like Tor?

You should share some of your knowledge about IP spoofing for security proposes

Edited by Kyle, 28 October 2010 - 01:54 PM.

[Slawter]

that you won't be able to get unilateral agreement on this by even the most highly industrialized nations...

I think it's pretty much impossible. Again i will say that i can see the reason why people would want this put in place but it's not a very realistic idea. Even if some miracle happened and it was put together successfully people would allways find away around it

[Slawter]

I think mainly for me because of the wider audience the internet is getting now, i know in England definately that kids in primary school (ages 6+) are being taught how to use the internet in school, my little girl is only nearly one but it does actually scare me thinking about who she may be coming into contact with on the internet in the future. Maybe its me being super protective being a new parent and all.

But also yes i do see the drawbacks to my argument, if you can know who your comunicating with then they will know who you are too.

Edited by Slawter, 28 October 2010 - 02:44 PM.

[Lucian]

Next thing you know the world will have a unified currency system. I say everyone remain anonymous.

[Kyle]

Next thing you know the world will have a unified currency system. I say everyone remain anonymous.

National ID card with GPS implemented. Just wait, its coming SOON

[Lucian]

Better yet, a microchip embedded in people's skin!

[Faval]

I think mainly for me because of the wider audience the internet is getting now, i know in England definately that kids in primary school (ages 6+) are being taught how to use the internet in school, my little girl is only nearly one but it does actually scare me thinking about who she may be coming into contact with on the internet in the future. Maybe its me being super protective being a new parent and all.

But also yes i do see the drawbacks to my argument, if you can know who your comunicating with then they will know who you are too.

Indeed, the internet is playing a bigger part as of late. I remember the UK sales online were like 100bn a year and that's just the UK. BBC

Edited by Faval, 28 October 2010 - 05:41 PM.

[Kyle]

no... this is actually in the works coming soon guys.. lol... an RFID chip on the national ID that they have been proposing. Fuck. That.

And although the ID isn't going to be required, its going to be required more and more if you want to do things like get a passport (it will take the place of passports) and eventually any kind of air travel.

[Lucian]

OMG! New World Order!

[iargue]

no... this is actually in the works coming soon guys.. lol... an RFID chip on the national ID that they have been proposing. Fuck. That.

Dont get me started on that shit. Every day at work we complain about this bullshit. Atleast half of the people there have gave speeches at conferences saying, "YOUR ALL RETARDED".

I dont care about this, "Government knows what your doing" bs. What I care is that it has no security AT FUCKING ALL. They plan to have it carry everything about you, including Credit Card Numbers. And anyone in the world can read it.

Every year at defcon (Which I get to go to next year!), they have a Wall dedicated to everyone whos RFID information they steal. Every year thousands of FBI agents have their information publicly available. You can just copy that, make your own card, and walk into a top secret building.

Its so retarded I want to hurt everyone who is in charge of this shit.

[Lucian]

Wait, how do people @ defcon get that info?

[iargue]

Wait, how do people @ defcon get that info?

Sigh. Can you try reading?


Government agents badges have those stupid RFID chips. So someone at defcon just picks the information up since its not secured at all, and just posts it publicly. (They get really mad, but legally can do nothing since its public info.)

[Lucian]

I'm pretty sure it's not that easy to get a hold of Government Agent Badges. That's what I meant.

[Ziz]

There is no way you can really hide your information on internet.
Unless that you had no messenger, no interaction in social pages...
nearly impossible

We cant have anonimity on internet, with or without legislations

[Lucian]

True^ But one of the great things about the internet is the ability to set up vass social networks with other people. It's really hard to get away from.

[Kyle]

My mom works for the government and has a RFID card so thats a little frightening.

[Magic]

Move to Canada.