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[Junjie]

1. Shell stocks UB X.
2. Main puts up junk trade
3. Shell offers X
4. Main gets X for junk item
If Tnt DOES look at all it would be obvious. With what I do, the main could just be a lucky reseller who got an item for cheap and can flip for profit. The only risk I feel like I have is if someone reports my shell's trade and it could be looked at and iced, but I feel like if they do look there shouldn't be reason to be suspicious of my main since they're paying something possibly legit for the items.

Ah i see.

Well, go ahead with this then, it's certainly safer than the methods listed in this study, which seems to have been chosen to be tested presumably because they didn't seem completely safe in the first place hahaha.

TNT doesn't look at things without reports these days though, as shown in this study and others. But thats been said enough already, in here and in other posts, and anyways you shouldnt do something if you really feel it may be unsafe.

[Kula]

Thanks for the study. Im impressed with the time and dedication you put in to test this out. People can be a bitch sometimes with the report. Sigh.

[Rogue]

Buying something from your shell like you were a reseller is safe enough and we already know it, no point in studying it. That's why thys study was intended to see what would happen and I would go reckless cheating and transferring.

 

TNT only check out accounts based on report nowadays because TNT lack manpower. 80% of original TNT was laid off or straight up fired, so TNT can't be checking every account like before.

[Swar]

Besides, they have a lot on their plate to go all detective and try to connect the dots just to ice someone. They have their legit players for that

[Hikimaru]

Besides, they have a lot on their plate to go all detective and try to connect the dots just to ice someone. They have their legit players for that

It's funny how legit players are better finding cheaters than TNT haha

[WarezHaxor]

Some of them have made it a career even...except that it isn't a paying one.

Fact is, junk trades are likely to draw less suspicion from the general public because they only see someone putting a junk trade up, not what is actually being transferred. Yes, if tnt looks it will be obvious, but we've established that currently, tnt isn't look unless a report occurs, and with the junk trade going, unless you post on the boards that you've got a QFS for sale that you just rsed and you've got no record of ever being a good restocker on the boards, chances are you won't be reported. The higher end buys you usually want to sit on for a bit anyway because they will draw attention from legit players who missed it, and are bound to call you out if you get it and post it within a couple days.

[DDPink]

That's very interesting. Never thought about freeze rates like that.

[seadream454]

I'm glad you did this study, I've been skeptical of doing what group 2 did but now I know to avoid it.

[TrashcanV3]

thanks for sharing the freeze rate with us

[Nekita]

thanks for the study, this is very useful

[Junjie]

thanks for the study too and the easy postcount @Rogue

[Salade]

thanks for the study too and the easy postcount @Rogue

Sshh... How else are they supposed to get to 40 posts without using the +rep button?

[Hikimaru]

Trading post is a safe way to get iced.

Not if you offer on a junk lot with the items you want to transfer, right? At least is what I can see on the study.

[Rogue]

Not if you offer on a junk lot with the items you want to transfer, right? At least is what I can see on the study.

 

Yeah, if you want to show your face at the TP you might as well have a pretty mainlike face.

[Harris]

Thanks for recording all this data

[immo]

Well I started just transferring items via junk trade on main and offering on sides with UBs a few days ago per suggestion of people on this thread as opposed to doing what I have been doing (offering very low but possible reseller offers) and just got chain iced. AB accounts were on a Vpn so no ip connection to the main. There goes 400m in items. Nice knowing you guys lol

[Daenarys]

Just stumbled on this guide, i have 7 accounts and one of them is my main which i never cheat on except for the odd SSing when the Daily Dare was going. I send items to my main from my shells that i acquire from the other shells, and sell them on my main and haven't had any problems yet, hopefully it stays that way.

[Rowlet]

I may have had trouble understanding your phrasing for group 3's results.

So what you're saying is, semi-main offers a junk trade that nobody pays attention to, and then the shell offers the high-value items so that it'll never be seen by the public?

[Rogue]

I may have had trouble understanding your phrasing for group 3's results.

So what you're saying is, semi-main offers a junk trade that nobody pays attention to, and then the shell offers the high-value items so that it'll never be seen by the public?

Yeah, a semi main account would create a lot with a junk item, the shell accounts would offer on this lot.

[Blanc]

Nice. Você está fazendo um jogo comigo, garota? :3

[Rogue]

Updated!

[Bendida]

Was there any activity on the accounts that are frozen recently, or you just left them untouched after you concluded your study?

Edited by Bendida, 20 June 2016 - 01:47 PM.

[Rogue]

Was there any activity on the accounts that are frozen recently, or you just left them untouched after you concluded your study?

 

Completely untouched. I don't even know if they were frozen today because I don't login to them since forever.

[Junjie]

UPDATE: 06/20/16

 

All accounts frozen from group 1, 2 and 3.

 

 

Ohh my god. So I guess it may be unsafe to transfer many many items through junk lots, every single day thenn? xD

[Rogue]

Ohh my god. So I guess it may be unsafe to transfer many many items through junk lots, every single day thenn? xD

 

Not sure, it's really weird since I never logged into these accounts since. I may have just been flagged for the AC and they frozen everything just to be extra safe!