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[Vegas]

arite ok maybe I was a lil bit wrong on how protestantism started.my bad, so I take back what I said on how it started.I got confused.I 2 was ignorant nd thought protestant came from the anglicans.but watever I had sum heat goin on when I wrote that post so I jumped it without fully researchin it.we cool my christian brother lmao?
also catholiscm is not the only religion that sometimes praises/prays to mary.muslims,women particularly do to or so I heard so.
also the site u posted is wayy to long

Edited by Scope, 03 January 2006 - 06:30 PM.

[Frizzle]

Jesus wasn't sinless. I can't remember the exact quote but apparently he ran away from Mary one day and smashed up a church because inside there was alot of markets and stores and etc..

He got prettttty pissed.

[Vegas]

Jesus wasn't sinless. I can't remember the exact quote but apparently he ran away from Mary one day and smashed up a church because inside there was alot of markets and stores and etc..

He got prettttty pissed.

it was supposed to be a temple and he thought it got descreated because ther were ppl like vendors and stuff sellin their products and jesus got pissed because a temple was a place of worship not commercialism...so since he was the son of God,I guess u can say he was merely cleanin his temple...not sinning

[Vegas]

Getting mad is not a sin. Trust me, every person I have come across that attempts to attack christianity have all used that excuse before, I have had to answer that many times. In other words, the excuse is not going to work

I think he meant as a sin that jesus 'smashed up' a church. and ya jesus got mad alot of times like before his arrest and his disciples were sleeping so it aint a sin

[Curse]

There is an time when all living things will die, the fact is none of us know how or when. Why? Because if we were told that we would die on this certain day, at this certain time, at this place. Then we couldn't control ourselves and we would be to afraid to live life with a fear that your going to die this moment.

Also, I just skimmed through your post, and I saw something about Christianity, I am to lazy to look again, so I assume that your talking about the Christan bible and what it says. The thing is, it's wrong. Time after time, the Christan bible gets changed in so many ways, like Jesus is God's son etc. God is not a person, know one knows and God is alone with no one. Jesus is a prophet to tell others about Christianity.

Edited by BigBoneDaddy, 03 January 2006 - 09:34 PM.

[jillian]

*siiigh* a lot of quotes to sludge through

Since you havn't been to much into this, I said if you believe God is that mean to not let his own creation know about him and goto hell, then I can't help you. You have to understand we have a loving God and he gives everyone a chance. If you can't understand that fact, to bad for you.

By the way, my parents were not christians when I was born, I started attending church, and they followed. You guys assume to much, I heard about God, and was interested, and it went from there, so mind your own buisness.
Christians don't believe in pergatory, I don't know who that was aimed at, but just clarifying. I think it was mormons and catholics, or roman catholics, that believed in that.

... So where does god give those indigenous, isolated people chances? If he did, wouldn't Christianity have sparked up bit by bit across the globe, instead of being centralized in one place (where by the way, a lot of other religions were fighting and being born and competing for disciples at the time)?

You just keep saying that he DOES give everyone a chance. You don't say how, when or why people who are isolated from Christianity as we know it today do not become Christians, even if they did not have an original religion.

ouch jillian...y does everyone hate catholics and mormons.im a catholic and when I go to my catholic church I see nothing that would offend others in what we do.and yes like some people said,mormons are guud folk.one of my previous neighbours were mormon and I felt bad to them for the discipline they had to live in life.they have all these strict rules to live by and I heard one of them was to not get rich.yes I debate the roots and beginnings of their religion but they shudn't b hated.

That post was really long and kinda illegible, sorry, but I didn't read the whole thing. If you paid attention to me through the thread, you'd see that I was being sarcastic. I was raised Catholic myself (though, don't jump me Alias, I have been to many Christian services and wasn't moved) and I am one of the few people in my area who doesn't hate mormons...

[by the way does anyone know where Nauvoo, Illinois is? It's where the Mormons settled after being shuttled around New York for a while. I live in Carthage, about fifteen miles away fromt he major tourist sites, and we're pegged as the town that shot the prophet Joseph Smith while he was being imprisoned. Oops.]

Okay, I have refreshed myself with knowledge anf want to clear some things up with others that were in this debate.

First thing, Mary IS basiclly worshiped in the Bible. I knew you guys were wrong, but I just found out, that your current Pope, himself, even SAID that in a law. He stated that Mary was like an assistant of Jesus. I lost the direct quote, but if you need it please ask. Basicly what he means is that you can be saved through Jesus OR mary. What do you do to Jesus? Worship.

About mary being good. She was a sinful person. Sin is spread through the man of the family, it was started through Adam. It has been passed down like that ever since Adam and Eve, meaning, Mary was a sinful person. Now how can a sinful person have a sinless child? The Man, or Father of Jesus, is of course God, who is infact sinless and would explain the sinlessness of Jesus.

No. No, Mary was not worshipped in the Bible. And yes, please get that quote, because it doesn't exist and/or you're exaggerating and misinterpreting.

I TOTALLY stressed the fact that Mary wasn't without sin. She was a woman, and she was a sinner. However, as I stated before, she was a good disciple and she raised Jesus with love and faith and followed Jesus when he came into his true rite as a prophet and God. She was a woman strong enough to stay faithful to her son when weaker woman couldn't've. She was not perfect but she was a good woman.

Jillian, about you and your previous experience with God as a child. Let me just say this .. you are going the wrong way. You are looking through the window for the answers, and not actually going inside. You need to accept God into your heart, then he will explain everything. As far as any prayers to him, it's like talking to a def man. The only prayer God here's is the prayer of forgiveness and wanting to be accepted.

So I should believe in God for no reason until he suddenly appears and says I won the jackpot?

That's sick - God only hears when you say you want to be Christian? So he gives no quidance or help or love just because - only when you make that one prayer to say "forgive me now, and let me in heaven, I believe, yadda yadda."

I thought God was able and willing to listen to all humankind's troubles and fears, even if he could not help us or interfere. If he doesn't help and love us when we are weak, what is he?

Don't think I missed much more.
Two things. One I DO NOT hate other religions. I don't know where this concept has been developed into your guys minds, but I respect other religions. I just don't believe them, there is a difference, not believing a religion is right in my view is no hating it...

Also that Catholism was the first OFFICIAL religion. Yes I did my research, so your guy's little argument is not going to work anymore =/ You guys just assume that everyone was catholic and no other religion closely related existed. Well your wrong, do some actual research and you'll find this out. Yes other people did split from Catholics, but it was nothing new at the time, it was only bringing something already going on to a new light.

Also after reading the rest, I will keep from saying all the wonderful things I would like to say right now, and say you must be stupid to think that our religion came from a king who wanted divorce. Read the Bible, and educate yourself, then come and join this debate =/

http://www.ccel.org/...story/About.htm

Research.

That doesn't make any sense to me. Everything was Christian until the popes started bickering and people branched off. Only then did the main branch get called Catholic, and the smaller branches protestant. Your site teaches me nothing new, it just is called "Christianity." As I said before, my G, Catholics are Christians.

Lol, look another one. This is so entertaining, it's like the world is brainwashed. Everyone who is not a christian say the same shit, then I come up behind them and correct it, so they get pissed and go use it somewhere else.

Here is what you are saying. "The Bible has changed. God, the all divine being who created the world and universe could not keep His mere creations from changing His Word".

Yea that makes alot of sense.

We're all the same, eh, Mr. Open-Minded All-loving Christian?

Point 1: Dude... >_< We're just getting lost in translation here because you don't understand the points we're trying to make... our point is that we don't BELIEVE that God sat down and wrote the Bible - we believe men wrote it, whether by influence of some spiritual force or simpy because they felt like it... and Therefore, we don't believe what you believe about it - that it is perfect and made by a perfect God and watched over for EVERY translation EVER.

If we do not belive that in the first place, you can't just say "that doesn't make sense!" you have to prove HOW the Bible is different from other 'holy documents' which you do not belive, such as the Torrah or the parts of the Bible which were scrapped.

Point 2: even if we follow you for as long as God not ever letting the Bible be misinterpreted, how come so many translations and interpretations DO exist?! Go read any two versions of a Christian bible and you'll see that even some of the most memorized verses are slightly different in wording- which changes inflection, tone, meaning etc.

Point 3: Isn't God's word a little too deep and wonderful for mere English? Isn't there so much more to be said, or couldn't some blurry-looking phrasing or odd turns of tongue be elaborated upon? Wouldn't God make it so that anyone reading the Bible in ingrained with the intended meaning, because no matter what you write or how well you explain it, if millions of people for thousands of years read it, they will each get something slightly different from the meaning because of their past. That's how the reading and sharing of ideas among humans GOES.

[Ives]

Where to begin...

God touches everyone in his own way, I can't tell you how because I'm not God. It makes logical sense.. I'm just pointing out the obvious reason why he gives everyone a chance, because he loves us all.

I didn't say Mary was worshiped in the Bible... I said the catholics worhsip her, and I will get that quote thank you. I'm shocked that you don't know your own popes word, rather sad if you ask me, not to be offending though.

You keep missing the point. God cannot do anything until you have accepting him into your life. He's at the door Jillian, and your trying to talk back, through a metal steel door you have yet to open for some random reason. I don't know how many comparisions I can make here, it's a simple idea. You seem to have a hate for God, which would explain alot. Your sitting here believing he is the evil God etc. etc. yet your complaining he's not nice to you?

Did you even skim the document? My God, it's obvious buy the damn titles of each article. It's talking about how christianity was raised on the side, through dicipleship etc. No where does it mention catholic beliefs, please at least skim it before talking about it.

So what I am getting is - You don't believe that my God wrote His word, and that He can't handle it from being changed. Yet you believe that he is the christian God who created the world and everything you see. Sorry, that's just not kicking in for me.

Please, show me verses from two different version of the Holy Bible that effect the general meaning of the text. It's called reading between the lines. So please do share, I'll make sure to find my quote as well, I wasn't lieing, just like Jesus doesn't talk about hell in any other books except revelations eh?

Only fools read the Bible and are not saved by God. It's true, you might as well rename the Bible the "Fairytale of God", because you won't understand shit about it without being saved. It's the same thing with alot of religions...

Anyways, you keep saying "what if", and it's really annoying the hell out of me, because there half them have never happened. Please, stop yourself from doing that, as it's like bad manners in a debate, unless it has alot of logical reasoning, but it is really getting annoying.

Anyways, go ahead, reply back again, im going to bed I'll check tommorow morning.

Meh.

You suggesting other religions is wrong is like me suggesting Dpage is always better then strHTML when its the same string buffering the socket. That's all I'll say.

[Frizzle]

Here's the thing, unless people see acutal proof of God himself, not alot of people will believe him. I'm gonna have to agree with my own quote, fleck it, even if he was real I still wouldn't follow him.

I'd like to buy one ticket to hell please. Yes that's right, first class. Yup, overnight stay.

[Frizzle]

Why SHOULD I believe in him? I don't agree with his theroys and shit on life, to be honest, I just avoid all religion. God shouldn't force us to believe in what he says is right, I mean if he did, why did he give us free will?

Unless of course he gave us free will and expects us to choose him anyway. Sounds like Castro.

[Frizzle]

So we don't have to believe him and not go to hell?

[Frizzle]

Ok, your God sounds a bit screwed in the head. We have to believe in him to get to Heaven. If we don't we burn in hell. Where the heck is there any free will in that?

Sounds like a fricking Nazi, either follow Hitler or burn in the Extremination camps.

[Waser Lave]

No. If you don't believe in Him, you goto hell. There's nothing wrong with it, what's so hard not believing in Him. It's nothing new either, just about every other religion has some kind of punishment for nonbelievers.

Hold on a minute, so if he made himself known to everyone and started talking on Jerry Springer or something then everyone would know he existed and wouldn't NOT believe that he exists, so everyone would still go to heaven even if they didnt follow what he said, because they believed in him?

Why SHOULD I believe in him? I don't agree with his theroys and shit on life, to be honest, I just avoid all religion. God shouldn't force us to believe in what he says is right, I mean if he did, why did he give us free will?

Amen...

[Archon]

Ok, your God sounds a bit screwed in the head. We have to believe in him to get to Heaven. If we don't we burn in hell. Where the heck is there any free will in that?

Sounds like a fricking Nazi, either follow Hitler or burn in the Extremination camps.

Tried to avoid this topic but...

You said earlier that you would want to go to hell even if there was certain proof that God existed.

But for a different point...

As I see it, the current generation doesn't believe it because they don't like their crappy lives, they brought it on themselves. It's not like God created "sin."

*Runs away from topic

[jillian]

*sigh*

Where to begin...

God touches everyone in his own way, I can't tell you how because I'm not God. It makes logical sense.. I'm just pointing out the obvious reason why he gives everyone a chance, because he loves us all.

I didn't say Mary was worshiped in the Bible... I said the catholics worhsip her, and I will get that quote thank you. I'm shocked that you don't know your own popes word, rather sad if you ask me, not to be offending though.

I'll answer this with the quote that I placed IN MY PERVIOUS POST:
"(AliasXNeo @ Jan 3 2006, 09:09 PM) : Okay, I have refreshed myself with knowledge anf want to clear some things up with others that were in this debate.

First thing, Mary IS basiclly worshiped in the Bible. ..."

o rly? Your Bible?

You keep missing the point. God cannot do anything until you have accepting him into your life. He's at the door Jillian, and your trying to talk back, through a metal steel door you have yet to open for some random reason. I don't know how many comparisions I can make here, it's a simple idea. You seem to have a hate for God, which would explain alot. Your sitting here believing he is the evil God etc. etc. yet your complaining he's not nice to you?

Did you even skim the document? My God, it's obvious buy the damn titles of each article. It's talking about how christianity was raised on the side, through dicipleship etc. No where does it mention catholic beliefs, please at least skim it before talking about it.

You just don't listen to myy string of logic. You totally ignore it. I don't understand why a loving parent WOULD be 'on the other side of a steel door' in the first place! A loving father takes his children into his arms and comforts them in their sadness and doubt until they are reassured. With kindness and closeness, children will usually grow to love, honor and obey their parents. Why is your God taking the road of an abusive, neglectful father who remains isolated frlom his children until they beg forgiveness?

As I also said in my previous post - Catholicism is Christianity. It is just a different and older part of Christianity. But it is the original form of Christianity before protestantism and nondenominationals. That is simple, historical fact. Look in any Encyclopedia or Almanac.

So what I am getting is - You don't believe that my God wrote His word, and that He can't handle it from being changed. Yet you believe that he is the christian God who created the world and everything you see. Sorry, that's just not kicking in for me.

No, I don't believe your God wrote his word, and I definitely don't believe that even if he had, he has as of now stopped it from being changed (as once again, I blatantly stated in my previous post).

In my above post, I followed your logic to three different illogical ends, because your logic does not make sense to me, as I said.

Please, show me verses from two different version of the Holy Bible that effect the general meaning of the text. It's called reading between the lines. So please do share, I'll make sure to find my quote as well, I wasn't lieing, just like Jesus doesn't talk about hell in any other books except revelations eh?

Only fools read the Bible and are not saved by God. It's true, you might as well rename the Bible the "Fairytale of God", because you won't understand shit about it without being saved. It's the same thing with alot of religions...

Oh my. You're so mature, I can tell, there, bud. "Show me this and I might show you THIS which was vital to a point, but which I can't find." "I wasn't lying, unlike YOU, you bad evil girl, when you said you weren't sure about something and wanted to know information about it and I proved you WRONG, you LIAR!" Grand. That's grand.

Som Bible quotes... these aren't what I was really looking for (translation errors and ambiguity between versions); they're a little less earth shattering but they still are valid contradictions within God's Perfect Word:

• "Honor thy father and thy mother..."-- Exodus 20:12
  "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also,he cannot be my disciple. " -- Luke 14:26
  
  
  
• "... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4
  "... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2 Peter 3:10
  
  
  
• "...thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. " -- Exodus 21:23-25
  "...ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." -- Matthew 5:39
  
  
  
• "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father..." -- Ezekiel 18:20
  "I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation..."-- Exodus 20:5

I know you'll say "But that's mainly old and neeew, the laws are different and Old Testament is outdated!" However, why would God have made laws that become untrue in time? Why would he teach one thing when he knows something else will come later? And why would an eternal God's pesonality change from Jealous to good and giving?

Anyways, you keep saying "what if", and it's really annoying the hell out of me, because there half them have never happened. Please, stop yourself from doing that, as it's like bad manners in a debate, unless it has alot of logical reasoning, but it is really getting annoying.

Anyways, go ahead, reply back again, im going to bed I'll check tommorow morning.

Oh, man, I'm sorry for saying 'what if...' It's your Philosophy, Alias! You're supposed to be able to stand for a philosophy in any scenario! I'm sorry for using a Socratic Method to try to understand where you're coming from. I think it says something that you're getting indignant about having to think about your own philosophy, which you should've given more thought to in the first place.

I know. That's the problem with the world today, and that's why I have no sympathy for alot of people. You see Jillian? These are the kind of people you are talking about right here. The ones going they don't give a shit and even if they knew He was real, still wouldn't believe. That's so common amongst this world today, it's very sad.

... once again, I stated multiple times, Alias, MULTIPLE TIMES, that I WOULD believe in God and follow him gladly as a sheep if I knew he was real. I said that, and the fact that you said THAT is just open and obvious proof that you're not paying any attention to, or learning anything from, this debate.

If you don't believe in Him, you goto hell. There's nothing wrong with it, what's so hard not believing in Him. It's nothing new either, just about every other religion has some kind of punishment for nonbelievers.

!!! That's exactly one point I'm trying to drive home with you - that every religion has Gods, punishments, and rewards - how do you know that you're not going to the Jewish hell or back through life again to burn off some Karma before joining the Void or Nirvana?

Edited by jillian, 04 January 2006 - 02:53 PM.

[Curse]

Lol, look another one. This is so entertaining, it's like the world is brainwashed. Everyone who is not a christian say the same shit, then I come up behind them and correct it, so they get pissed and go use it somewhere else.

Here is what you are saying. "The Bible has changed. God, the all divine being who created the world and universe could not keep His mere creations from changing His Word".

Yea that makes alot of sense.

That's the the thing with debating with such topics. Religion falls under the category of this topic and we all believe different things. Also, bot to burst your bubble. But the Christian Bible and probably the one you read is wrong. It changed so much from the original. That's a fact.

[jillian]

thy means your, not the

more soon but I have scholarships to attend to

oh and by the way, you keep saying "Oh my god" and "Jesus, if you keep..." so on and so forth... that's taking hte Lord's name in vain, which is like, unanimously the worst thing you can do with words, soooo have fun in hell

Ugh, Alias, you're getting really worked up here about stuff I've explained multiple times.

You make retarted arguments with how I know my religion is right. Well how the CENSORED do you know not believing it is right? You can't freakin prove it, and hear you are, criticizing me for not proving it. It's retarted.

I already said, and many people believed me, that it is the nature of the human intelligence to be skeptical and not to believe what it sees without proof. See ghosts, aliens, etc etc.

I have also repeatedly made parallelisms to other religions. I believe that Christianity has nothing to prove it is more correct than any other religion in the world today, such as Hinduism or Islam. MY PROOF, for the dozenth time, is that every religion has holy texts, miracles, and prophets. Christianity holds nothing special in the realm of religions. Now you retort with a fact as to why Christianity is correct and those religions are wrong. Just do it and quit whining. I'll reply to all the other things you said afterwards because this is the point you've managed to elude for pages and pages. Do not say anything about me or other non-believers, just say WHY Christianity is true and Hinduism is not.

Edited by jillian, 04 January 2006 - 04:42 PM.

[jillian]

Dude, um, how about the Ten Commandments? Is that proof enough for you?

Now just answer me.

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I already said, and many people believed me, that it is the nature of the human intelligence to be skeptical and not to believe what it sees without proof. See ghosts, aliens, etc etc.

I have also repeatedly made parallelisms to other religions. I believe that Christianity has nothing to prove it is more correct than any other religion in the world today, such as Hinduism or Islam. MY PROOF, for the dozenth time, is that every religion has holy texts, miracles, and prophets. Christianity holds nothing special in the realm of religions. Now you retort with a fact as to why Christianity is correct and those religions are wrong. Just do it and quit whining. I'll reply to all the other things you said afterwards because this is the point you've managed to elude for pages and pages. Do not say anything about me or other non-believers, just say WHY Christianity is true and Hinduism is not.

[jillian]

...

That wasn't an answer. My question is valid. If you are a die-hard Christian, it must be for some reason. You also say that I am going to hell because what you believe is right for everyone. It doesn't have to be right in my eyes if it's correct throughout the universe.

Edited by jillian, 04 January 2006 - 04:55 PM.

[jillian]

by the way, this is my last catty retort: by better, I meant truthful, don't get technical on me.... if there WERE a more truthful religion out there, wouldn't it be in your interest for me to tell you about it? otherwise, you'd go to hell!!!!1111... anyway.

by the way The following is not a brainwashing segment, it's my opinions on religion

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Mm. Whatever, I'm tired of this debate, and I'm happy you're strong in your faith and everything, honestly. I'm not here to trash what makes you happy or anything, I'm just really curious becuase I never felt it and I don't think I ever will - not from an organized religion like Christianity anyway.

Like I said, I'm existentialist, which isn't like, atheist... it's not even agnostic... I just kinda admit that everything has its grand scheme and everyone has their story of the world and whoever you are, if it works for you, that's lovely. I just find it more practical to have open-minded beliefs in a world where there are so many options such as Hinduism (which by the way, while it didn't branch off of anything else as I'd say, or 'start by a man' as you'd say), Buddhism, and the many sects of Christianity. I just feel a lot better not having to think about every person I meet "well, they're nice; too bad they're going to hell," like I see in the eyes of so many of my devout Catholic and nondenominational friends.

In my eyes - as with you this is my own opinion - religion started as a way to make people behave, to organize power, and to find some sense in the world. Now, with political philosophies, strict laws, and probably most important of all, strong means to science, religion isn't so necessary. However, it's a tradition and something people of every nation have created and relied on for the past god-knows-how-many years. And ever since all this organization came to the world, religion has started to get nasty. from the Crusades to the Pilgrims and Quakers to the Republicans' current state as a holy roller, religion seems to be causing more hate than peace and order.

It's all cool on a small basis for now, because people learn to get along while still thinking each other are gonna go to hell, but I'm still worried and I just want everyone to realize how similar their religions are (in the basic principals of wishing for peace, brotherhood, and welfare, not necessarily in holy laws and heirarchies) and start getting along....

that's basically all there is to my existentialism - of course, that's not REALLY what existentialism is, it's just how I take it - that everyone can be right in their life, so they should shush up and get along

peace out

Edited by jillian, 04 January 2006 - 05:18 PM.

[Ives]

So you want to know in MY VIEW? Well I will tell you, but im wasting my time since I don't think you obviously like nor care about my views.

I think christianity is right because first off, God has touched me. When I grew up, it wasn't really a 'christian family', I made the choice on my own whether to believe in it or not. Every child whether is faced with that (if they grow up in a christian family) sometime. Anyways, I think the Bible could have NEVER been written by man as it's such a strong and holy thing. It's stories and words are impossible in my mind to be written by man. I mean look at the mormon bible and all the corrections that had to be made to the various contradictions it had. That's not something that really pulls me, not to mention it was started on a MAN and not a divine being. Buhdists, were also started by a MAN. Their beleifs are twisted in my view, and there sources are no where near as powerful in my mind to that of the Bible. Jehova witnesses, same thing as the mormons, there Bible has many contradictions and general religion is like a rip of the Bible. Never has my life been good since the day I accepted jesus. I was one bad little kid, and probably would of grown up a smoker and a drunk just like ALL my relatives, if it wasn't for God. Not to mention it stopped my dad from smoking and drinking and pornography once he accetped it, and that's not something that normally happens after such one small change.

I could keep going on if you want, but this is MY VIEW, so I don't think you care much about it.

by the way, you don't have to listen to me. If you don't want to take my word, then good for you. It's not what I say, it's what God says, and He could care less what your view is on the world. One more thing, it's not what's 'better', it's whats more truthful. I don't care if you can find a better religion out there, that's just being selfish, WAY selfish if you ask me.

In a general picture, you can make something godly and you can make something devilish. Atheism is a matter of neutrality in life, whether then being touched by a holy spirit, or become powerful with the demons, they refuse the beliefs of these.

Basically, the idea is that a picture could be perfectly straight to one man, and perfectly crooked to another man. Your beliefs are from only personal thoughts of things. The simple fact is it is that you believe God must house your fears, house your life, and fix the crooked pictures, when in fact, if god cannot control mans will, then he has only created something far superior to him.

[Vegas]

doubtin thomas here
I wonder y God dosent do anything physical or in the new world to show that he exists but he still wants people to believe in him with facts from hundreds of years ago....I mean jesus's comin was 2 thousand years ago and I think he should like send down another,like jesus's brother to make every1 believe again...I mean he should do some good ol' anti-christ smiting to redeem every1's faith in him or something...I know u hear stories like the bleedin statues and stuff but that isnt very hard proof.he should know that people being the way we are,and the way he calls us-sheep,might sometimes lose our faith and he should do something to regain our faith.also y dosent God help people in their dire hours of need.LIKE in the holocaust,the jews died because of their faith in their God and their God let them die?I mean he coulda atleast smited a couple thousand nazis.if I was a jew livin in that time,I seriously would re-consider my faith in God knowing what is happenin to my fellow people.

also another stupid thing.theres a asian religion with the major rule is too just be a good person and thats how alot of their monks live their lives.they do good deeds on earth by like helping people but they won't go to heaven just because they didnt believe in God.I think that's stupid,watever u believe in,your actions on earth should be the one that will determine whether you go to heaven or not.I mean a christian man will murder a guy and ask for forgiveness and recieve it and will go to heaven, while a good samaritan kinda guy will dedicate their lives to helpin the unfortunate,like the people in the red cross and other organizations, but with all the horrid stuff they see while they work(wars,abused children and such) they start to not believe in God, won't go to heaven?thas kinda stupid

Edited by Scope, 04 January 2006 - 06:37 PM.

[Curse]

Really. Care to explain how it's a fact? I would like evidence, logical at that, of where the Bible HAS changed. And not translating the word thy to the =/

I am sure you won't do it, but I'll tell you anyways. Go to the store and buy 5 Bibles by different authors. All will have different things. Like Jesus got arrested, then he got drunk, now he is a black guy, etc.

It is a fact.

doubtin thomas here
I wonder y God dosent do anything physical or in the new world to show that he exists but he still wants people to believe in him with facts from hundreds of years ago....I mean jesus's comin was 2 thousand years ago and I think he should like send down another,like jesus's brother to make every1 believe again...I mean he should do some good ol' anti-christ smiting to redeem every1's faith in him or something...I know u hear stories like the bleedin statues and stuff but that isnt very hard proof.he should know that people being the way we are,and the way he calls us-sheep,might sometimes lose our faith and he should do something to regain our faith.also y dosent God help people in their dire hours of need.LIKE in the holocaust,the jews died because of their faith in their God and their God let them die?I mean he coulda atleast smited a couple thousand nazis.if I was a jew livin in that time,I seriously would re-consider my faith in God knowing what is happenin to my fellow people.

also another stupid thing.theres a asian religion with the major rule is too just be a good person and thats how alot of their monks live their lives.they do good deeds on earth by like helping people but they won't go to heaven just because they didnt believe in God.I think that's stupid,watever u believe in,your actions on earth should be the one that will determine whether you go to heaven or not.I mean a christian man will murder a guy and ask for forgiveness and recieve it and will go to heaven, while a good samaritan kinda guy will dedicate their lives to helpin the unfortunate,like the people in the red cross and other organizations, but with all the horrid stuff they see while they work(wars,abused children and such) they start to not believe in God, won't go to heaven?thas kinda stupid

I read the first little bit of your paragraph and Jesus does not have a brother and another point is that Jesus is not God's son. He is a prophet sent down by God to tell man-kind about Christianity. Same goes for Mohammed, and the Jew prophet.

Edited by BigBoneDaddy, 04 January 2006 - 06:41 PM.

[Brad]

I read the first little bit of your paragraph and Jesus does not have a brother and another point is that Jesus is not God's son. He is a prophet sent down by God to tell man-kind about Christianity. Same goes for Mohammed, and the Jew prophet.

So says what you believe, that isn't the belief of all people, and cannot be stated as a fact. Just as I can't say that Jesus is the son of God factually (though I believe it to be so), you cannot factually say that he isn't.

[jillian]

Bigbone, be realistic. Either cite a version of the Bible with a drunk, black Jesus or don't say such far-fetched things.

Why does Brad have negative 1292 posts?

[cara]

:blink: Well , it took me a while to read that paragraph...
Anyways , in my point of view ; through-out history --MOSTLY-- the Cathlic Church has been 'playing' gods messenger by 'predicting' the end of our world as we know it.
Alot of people , I'm guessing , have heard the number 6 stands for the devil , or something like it (and Im carfully choosing words here) , wich is why whenever the Church predicted the end of the world the date had the number 6 in it.
-However , I believe that if the world does end , it wont have anything to do with religion , I'm honestly not sure why the the Church thought the world would end , perhaps they thought jesus or god or whomever was mad (-and in my defens pretty damn pissed) and ended the world , wich come to my *conclusion* that I believe if the world does come to an end , it would not be related to religion of any sort , it would be cause of humans ( pollution , enviorment , wars ect. )