Usually takes people a bit longer than that to show improvement etc. Anyway, lets not hijack the topic
Do you believe in god?
#26
Posted 13 January 2009 - 06:54 PM
Usually takes people a bit longer than that to show improvement etc. Anyway, lets not hijack the topic
#28
Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:01 PM
(no homo)
Anyway, I think religion is generally controlled by a bunch of power criminals, but won't dismiss the idea of a higher existence. Have faith, but not religion?
#30
Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:14 PM
#31
Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:15 PM
#32
Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:21 PM
#33
Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:23 PM
'No, we don't believe in Santa Claus.'
'Of course not, that's one man flying all around the world and dropping presents down a chimney. One man hearing everybody murmer at him at the same time, that I get.'
Edited by 23 Flavors, 13 January 2009 - 07:25 PM.
#34
Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:28 PM
Life is far from perfect.
#35 Guest_Ali_*
Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:29 PM
I didn't even notice it.
I grew up singing in a cathedral girls choir so it's always been a part of my life, a part of my life that I really enjoyed. I dunno, faith has helped me at a couple of points in my life and I've never felt I had anything to gain by shutting myself off from it.
#36
Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:39 PM
#37
Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:39 PM
#38
Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:47 PM
#39
Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:47 PM
It seems too perfect from down here, but if you increase the scale on which you're thinking...it really comes down to coincidence.
(No I'm not trying to change your views )
You're in my head.
#40
Posted 13 January 2009 - 08:15 PM
#41
Posted 13 January 2009 - 08:16 PM
Well thanks for pointout out that totally new fact!
#42
Posted 13 January 2009 - 08:18 PM
You're welcome.
And I believe that the book which Josh mentioned has been more or less ridiculed by actual scientists.
#43
Posted 13 January 2009 - 08:25 PM
And I believe that the book which Josh mentioned has been more or less ridiculed by actual scientists.
More than likely. And I just realised what I typed makes no sense
#44
Posted 14 January 2009 - 12:28 AM
Why is it so impossible? And definitely not an accident. It's called science dear.
#45
Posted 14 January 2009 - 01:06 AM
#46
Posted 14 January 2009 - 01:28 AM
Quite the contrary. Life is beautiful.
Don't call me dear like that. It's rude and condescending and I assure you I'm far from stupid and I know what science is. It's also science to understand the conditions that must exist in order to create life. Therefore it is difficult for me to believe in coincidence with such small odds. I have a right to believe in that view. And why does it feel like every time a Christian speaks their views they get jumped?
#47
Posted 14 January 2009 - 01:38 AM
Don't call me dear like that. It's rude and condescending and I assure you I'm far from stupid and I know what science is. It's also science to understand the conditions that must exist in order to create life. Therefore it is difficult for me to believe in coincidence with such small odds. I have a right to believe in that view. And why does it feel like every time a Christian speaks their views they get jumped?
If life is beautiful then why is there corruption and greed? Theft, and murder? Life is, as Random said, far from perfect, imo. Maybe the concept of life is beautiful, but definitely not the current state.
I apologize if you feel I was being condescending.
It may be coincidence if these conditions so to speak, were created on the spot, in a fraction of time. But these conditions were created over billions of years, and there have been plenty of studies documented proving that science is the actual cause for the creation of life.
Also, why is it only the ones that believe in god that feel like their getting jumped? Why is it that I don't feel like I'm getting jumped when people try to disprove my opinion? Because I have more to go on than faith.
Edited by Dang, 14 January 2009 - 01:52 AM.
#48
Posted 14 January 2009 - 01:39 AM
I guess this is kind of irrelevant, as there doesn't necessarily have to be a god for there to be an afterlife. Blah...
#49
Posted 14 January 2009 - 01:55 AM
I apologize if you feel I was being condescending.
It may be coincidence if these conditions so to speak, we created on the spot, in a fraction of time. But these conditions were created over billions of years, and there have been plenty of studies documented proving that science is the actual cause for the creation of life.
Also, why is it only the ones that believe in god that feel like their getting jumped? Why is it that I don't feel like I'm getting jumped when people try to disprove my opinion? Because I have more to go on than faith.
I was not referring to human life. That is much too narrow and just a fraction of existence. Not just animals either. The plants, the fungi, the complexities which take place. It's incredible. Theft and murder are an insignificance compared to what really goes on all over this planet.
Why did I feel jumped? Because I felt that you were insulting my intelligence because I believe in a God which in fact I'm certain I'm not the only one who thought you were. "It's called science, dear" is obviously condescending as I obviously know what science is. It's not proper to insult someone's intelligence when they have done nothing to insult your own beliefs. I believe that science and god can coexist. I have my faith in God and you have your faith that the studies which you read are actually telling the truth though you have never experienced any proof yourself that it is true most likely. While I do believe in a God, I do accept there is the possibility that I am wrong. There is also the possibility that the flying spaghetti monster is real. Jesus may not have been real. He could have been an alien. I just choose to believe what I do and that shouldn't be any burden on your mind.
#50
Posted 14 January 2009 - 02:00 AM
Why did I feel jumped? Because I felt that you were insulting my intelligence because I believe in a God which in fact I'm certain I'm not the only one who thought you were. "It's called science, dear" is obviously condescending as I obviously know what science is. It's not proper to insult someone's intelligence when they have done nothing to insult your own beliefs. I believe that science and god can coexist. I have my faith in God and you have your faith that the studies which you read are actually telling the truth though you have never experienced any proof yourself that it is true most likely. While I do believe in a God, I do accept there is the possibility that I am wrong. There is also the possibility that the flying spaghetti monster is real. Jesus may not have been real. He could have been an alien. I just choose to believe what I do and that shouldn't be any burden on your mind.
I apologized. Get over it. You tend to hold things against people for long periods of time. I don't want this debate to cause any unnecessary tension.
I do believe Jesus was real. But I do not believe the far-fetched stories that are documented about him.
Edited by Dang, 14 January 2009 - 02:06 AM.
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