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#26 Sida

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 06:54 PM

QUOTE (ChrisTW @ Jan 14 2009, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is there some kind of limit or just usually people don't apply til they've been a member for a while?


Usually takes people a bit longer than that to show improvement etc. Anyway, lets not hijack the topic tongue.gif

#27 Mr. Hobo

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 06:54 PM

No official rule

http://www.neocodex....les-t73223.html

#28 pyke

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:01 PM

I'd give anything a try once. Lookin at you Dang. wink.gif wink.gif wink.gif wink.gif wink.gif wink.gif wink.gif

(no homo)

Anyway, I think religion is generally controlled by a bunch of power criminals, but won't dismiss the idea of a higher existence. Have faith, but not religion?

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:12 PM

QUOTE (Josh @ Jan 13 2009, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes.

lol

#30 Mr. Hobo

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:14 PM

Everyone ignored the 'why?' part which is what I think is the more important part.

#31 The Dirty Filipino

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:15 PM

No.

#32 Tetiel

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:21 PM

Yes, I do as many of you already know. I believe because it is impossible to conceive that something so perfect as life exist without some sort of design. Earth is perfect for life. I cannot think that it is an accident on chance. Many of you will think I am a fool or ignorant, but I frankly don't care.

#33 The Dirty Filipino

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:23 PM

'If Santa Claus can hit every house in the world.'

'No, we don't believe in Santa Claus.'

'Of course not, that's one man flying all around the world and dropping presents down a chimney. One man hearing everybody murmer at him at the same time, that I get.'

Edited by 23 Flavors, 13 January 2009 - 07:25 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:28 PM

QUOTE (Tetiel @ Jan 13 2009, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, I do as many of you already know. I believe because it is impossible to conceive that something so perfect as life exist without some sort of design. Earth is perfect for life. I cannot think that it is an accident on chance. Many of you will think I am a fool or ignorant, but I frankly don't care.


Life is far from perfect.

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:29 PM

QUOTE (Mr. Hobo @ Jan 14 2009, 03:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Everyone ignored the 'why?' part which is what I think is the more important part.

I didn't even notice it. tongue.gif

I grew up singing in a cathedral girls choir so it's always been a part of my life, a part of my life that I really enjoyed. I dunno, faith has helped me at a couple of points in my life and I've never felt I had anything to gain by shutting myself off from it.

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:39 PM

My reason for not believing is that I've never seen any questions for which a god is the only answer.

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:39 PM

Can god create a rock so big not even he can lift it?

#38 Mr. Hobo

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:47 PM

Wouldn't the sheer size of the universe compensate for the low odds of having suitable conditions for life?

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:47 PM

QUOTE (Tetiel @ Jan 14 2009, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, I do as many of you already know. I believe because it is impossible to conceive that something so perfect as life exist without some sort of design. Earth is perfect for life. I cannot think that it is an accident on chance. Many of you will think I am a fool or ignorant, but I frankly don't care.


It seems too perfect from down here, but if you increase the scale on which you're thinking...it really comes down to coincidence.
(No I'm not trying to change your views tongue.gif)

QUOTE (Mr. Hobo @ Jan 14 2009, 03:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wouldn't the sheer size of the universe compensate for the low odds of having suitable conditions for life?


You're in my head.

#40 Waser Lave

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 08:15 PM

Even if there is already life elsewhere in the universe chances are that we'll never find out simply because of the sheer distances involved (at least with current technologies anyway, maybe if somebody finds some way to get a warp drive going we'll have a better chance tongue.gif)...

#41 Sida

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 08:16 PM

QUOTE (Waser Lave @ Jan 14 2009, 04:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even if there is already life elsewhere in the universe chances are that we'll never find out simply because of the sheer distances involved (at least with current technologies anyway, maybe if somebody finds some way to get a warp drive going we'll have a better chance tongue.gif)...


Well thanks for pointout out that totally new fact! tongue.gif

#42 Waser Lave

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 08:18 PM

QUOTE (Sida @ Jan 14 2009, 04:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well thanks for pointout out that totally new fact! tongue.gif


You're welcome. smile.gif

Damn brummies and their sarcasm. dry.gif


And I believe that the book which Josh mentioned has been more or less ridiculed by actual scientists. 1we8.gif

#43 Sida

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 08:25 PM

QUOTE (Waser Lave @ Jan 14 2009, 04:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're welcome. smile.gif

Damn brummies and their sarcasm. dry.gif


And I believe that the book which Josh mentioned has been more or less ridiculed by actual scientists. 1we8.gif


More than likely. And I just realised what I typed makes no sense biggrin.gif

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 12:28 AM

QUOTE (Tetiel @ Jan 13 2009, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, I do as many of you already know. I believe because it is impossible to conceive that something so perfect as life exist without some sort of design. Earth is perfect for life. I cannot think that it is an accident on chance. Many of you will think I am a fool or ignorant, but I frankly don't care.

Why is it so impossible? And definitely not an accident. It's called science dear.

#45 Warlord

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 01:06 AM

Yes I do, theres enough unexplainable things out there to suggest unseen forces are at work somewhere.

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 01:28 AM

QUOTE (Random @ Jan 13 2009, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Life is far from perfect.

Quite the contrary. Life is beautiful.

QUOTE (Dang @ Jan 14 2009, 03:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why is it so impossible? And definitely not an accident. It's called science dear.

Don't call me dear like that. It's rude and condescending and I assure you I'm far from stupid and I know what science is. It's also science to understand the conditions that must exist in order to create life. Therefore it is difficult for me to believe in coincidence with such small odds. I have a right to believe in that view. And why does it feel like every time a Christian speaks their views they get jumped?

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 01:38 AM

QUOTE (Tetiel @ Jan 14 2009, 01:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Quite the contrary. Life is beautiful.


Don't call me dear like that. It's rude and condescending and I assure you I'm far from stupid and I know what science is. It's also science to understand the conditions that must exist in order to create life. Therefore it is difficult for me to believe in coincidence with such small odds. I have a right to believe in that view. And why does it feel like every time a Christian speaks their views they get jumped?

If life is beautiful then why is there corruption and greed? Theft, and murder? Life is, as Random said, far from perfect, imo. Maybe the concept of life is beautiful, but definitely not the current state.

I apologize if you feel I was being condescending.

It may be coincidence if these conditions so to speak, were created on the spot, in a fraction of time. But these conditions were created over billions of years, and there have been plenty of studies documented proving that science is the actual cause for the creation of life.

Also, why is it only the ones that believe in god that feel like their getting jumped? Why is it that I don't feel like I'm getting jumped when people try to disprove my opinion? Because I have more to go on than faith.

Edited by Dang, 14 January 2009 - 01:52 AM.


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Posted 14 January 2009 - 01:39 AM

I'm actually not sure if I believe in a higher being or not. The part of me that is afraid of death, wants to hope there is some kind of afterlife and some sort of purpose/meaning to life. But another part of me thinks its childish and unrealistic; perhaps even realizing the only reason I want to believe in something is fear of death or emptiness, or even a lack of purpose.

I guess this is kind of irrelevant, as there doesn't necessarily have to be a god for there to be an afterlife. Blah...

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 01:55 AM

QUOTE (Dang @ Jan 14 2009, 04:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If life is beautiful then why is there corruption and greed? Theft, and murder? Life is, as Random said, far from perfect, imo. Maybe the concept of life is beautiful, but definitely not the current state.

I apologize if you feel I was being condescending.

It may be coincidence if these conditions so to speak, we created on the spot, in a fraction of time. But these conditions were created over billions of years, and there have been plenty of studies documented proving that science is the actual cause for the creation of life.

Also, why is it only the ones that believe in god that feel like their getting jumped? Why is it that I don't feel like I'm getting jumped when people try to disprove my opinion? Because I have more to go on than faith.

I was not referring to human life. That is much too narrow and just a fraction of existence. Not just animals either. The plants, the fungi, the complexities which take place. It's incredible. Theft and murder are an insignificance compared to what really goes on all over this planet.

Why did I feel jumped? Because I felt that you were insulting my intelligence because I believe in a God which in fact I'm certain I'm not the only one who thought you were. "It's called science, dear" is obviously condescending as I obviously know what science is. It's not proper to insult someone's intelligence when they have done nothing to insult your own beliefs. I believe that science and god can coexist. I have my faith in God and you have your faith that the studies which you read are actually telling the truth though you have never experienced any proof yourself that it is true most likely. While I do believe in a God, I do accept there is the possibility that I am wrong. There is also the possibility that the flying spaghetti monster is real. Jesus may not have been real. He could have been an alien. I just choose to believe what I do and that shouldn't be any burden on your mind.

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Posted 14 January 2009 - 02:00 AM

QUOTE (Tetiel @ Jan 14 2009, 01:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was not referring to human life. That is much too narrow and just a fraction of existence. Not just animals either. The plants, the fungi, the complexities which take place. It's incredible. Theft and murder are an insignificance compared to what really goes on all over this planet.

Why did I feel jumped? Because I felt that you were insulting my intelligence because I believe in a God which in fact I'm certain I'm not the only one who thought you were. "It's called science, dear" is obviously condescending as I obviously know what science is. It's not proper to insult someone's intelligence when they have done nothing to insult your own beliefs. I believe that science and god can coexist. I have my faith in God and you have your faith that the studies which you read are actually telling the truth though you have never experienced any proof yourself that it is true most likely. While I do believe in a God, I do accept there is the possibility that I am wrong. There is also the possibility that the flying spaghetti monster is real. Jesus may not have been real. He could have been an alien. I just choose to believe what I do and that shouldn't be any burden on your mind.

I apologized. Get over it. You tend to hold things against people for long periods of time. I don't want this debate to cause any unnecessary tension.


I do believe Jesus was real. But I do not believe the far-fetched stories that are documented about him.

Edited by Dang, 14 January 2009 - 02:06 AM.



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