EDIT: should have been posted in debate.
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Some people who are non-smokers get cancer. Are you suggesting Canada should take back all the money for the research they're doing, just because SOME cancer patients were smokers? In your face, Breast Cancer!In my opinion they should really ban cigarettes as well, is harmful and kills you slowly. In Canada millions of dollars was spent on curing people who got lung cancers and diseases caused be smoking, and who pays this? The tax payers. While this amount of money could go and maybe make the community better, but no, curing people who spent tons of money on cigarettes and end up killing themselves. Worst of all, they are legal.
I'd say ban all! Learn to eat carrot sticks kids.
Posted 06 September 2010 - 06:14 AM
Some people who are non-smokers get cancer. Are you suggesting Canada should take back all the money for the research they're doing, just because SOME cancer patients were smokers? In your face, Breast Cancer!
Posted 06 September 2010 - 06:46 AM
I think they probably meant that the public money spent on treating 'self-inflicted' cancer patients could have gone to a 'more worthy' cause, not that treating all cancer patients is a waste of money.
Posted 06 September 2010 - 07:11 AM
^ That
My teacher once said; If people got cancer/diseases by doing drugs, and the government no longer pay the bill for them, lots of people are going to quit smoking.
Posted 06 September 2010 - 12:51 PM
Some insurance companies now raise your rates like crazy if you're a known smoker, or if you're overweight/obese. Provides quite the drive to get off your ass and get in shape if it means you're not paying rates that are through the roof (;
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Posted 06 September 2010 - 01:59 PM
Ultimately, we need to look out for the safety of the non-users. I don't give a fuck if some user dies of an overdose, but if they're hopped up on meth and shoot up a convenient store or beats up a wife and kid, then it's a fucking problem.
Posted 07 September 2010 - 06:59 AM
^ That
My teacher once said; If people got cancer/diseases by doing drugs, and the government no longer pay the bill for them, lots of people are going to quit smoking.
This.
Your example is exactly why socialism fails in this regard. You have to either ban a personal liberty in the vested interest of the public or you have to foot the bill for those making unhealthy decisions.
Just another reason capitalism prevails.
As to your topic... I think that all drugs should be regulated... but I wouldn't say out-and-out come pick up your meth at the local gas station. (Talk about a symbol for america right there! XD)
That is exactly the point I was trying to make.
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 09:15 AM
Maybe you feel some drugs should be legal, some shouldn't? Why is it alcohol is legal but weed is not. Cigarretes but not meth. Where do we draw the line? In my opinion drugs should be your choice, if you want to take the risk on addiction / death it should be your choice. Although you should not be able to use while driving or in public and such.
EDIT: should have been posted in debate.
Posted 07 September 2010 - 09:15 AM
Maybe you feel some drugs should be legal, some shouldn't? Why is it alcohol is legal but weed is not. Cigarretes but not meth. Where do we draw the line? In my opinion drugs should be your choice, if you want to take the risk on addiction / death it should be your choice. Although you should not be able to use while driving or in public and such.
EDIT: should have been posted in debate.
Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:50 AM
Legalizing weed or other drugs that aren't so addictive would be fine with me. I think legalizing something that is super addictive would just make those addicts start to rob people and get people for ransom just so they can get their high when they go broke.
Alcohol is legal because the consumption of alcohol is a long vested tradition in human history. Alcohol was illegal in the states for a decade or so, until Roosevelt legalized it again. They tried and failed. =/
Cigarettes similarily go back a long time in history. By the time their adverse health effects have been discovered, cigarettes have firmly established themselves in society.
Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:06 PM
Marijuana used to be legal, and has been used in society as far back as the 3000 B.C. So why is marijuana illegal?
“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”
“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”
“Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”
“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”
“Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”
“You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”
“Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:27 PM
Smoking != sports, sex, work, pets, friends. Accidents happening in everyday life is in no way translatable to knowingly taking in something poisonous.So anyone who has a self-inflicted injury or illness, they should pay for it? So smokers should pay for their cancer treatment? What about alcoholics? Drug addicts? Ok, I see your point. But let's extend that. Anyone who is overweight? Anyone who self-harms or attempt suicide? Anyone who takes part in dangerous activites including, but not exhaustive of:
Sports
Hardcore Sports
Sexual activity
Allergic reations
Driving vehicles
Working
Running
Cleaning
Watching films
Reading
Having children
Getting married
Being in a relationship
Acting
Owning animals
Visting the Zoo
Socialising
Listening to music
Going to Festivals
Doing stand-up
Playing Darts
Having friendships
Flying
Breathing
Living
And sticking your finger in your anus when you're bored.
All of these activites are guaranteed to have some sort of negative medical impact eventually. Should all of these be on your list of "self-inflicted" injuries (pyschological or biologcial wise)?
Fuck you. I have the NHS.
You don't take into socio-economical factors though.
Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:36 PM
If all drugs were legal, there would be less need for drug addicts to rob people, as the drugs would be extremely cheap. Right now due to the illegality of drugs, it puts very high costs on them, which forces drug addicts to go out and rob, so it seems you have it a little backwards.
Marijuana used to be legal, and has been used in society as far back as the 3000 B.C. So why is marijuana illegal?
Smoking != sports, sex, work, pets, friends. Accidents happening in everyday life is in no way translatable to knowingly taking in something poisonous.
Edited by Frizzle, 07 September 2010 - 01:37 PM.
Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:38 PM
^ That
My teacher once said; If people got cancer/diseases by doing drugs, and thegovernmenthardworking people who pay taxes no longer pay the bill for them, lots of people are going to quit smoking.
Posted 07 September 2010 - 03:14 PM
Actually, legalising and putting the cost down will just mean addicts will abuse substances more and become more addicted and immune therefore needing higher doses and more of the actual drug. Therefore the price goes down and the usuage goes up but the actual cost is the same. Therefore they will still rob and steal.
Posted 07 September 2010 - 03:23 PM
Also I believe short term there could be some problems, but long term it would be better to have full legalization of drugs.
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