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#1 WharfRat

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 03:24 PM

This topic is largely about the recent scholarship for white males exclusively at "Texas State University" (A university I had never heard of before recently and I was born and raised Texan)

Anyways, I found this article in The Huffington Post by Scott Janssen and I feel it really describes how I feel. I'm constantly hearing about how oppressed all these other groups are and how I have it so much easier than everyone else in the world... and I recognize that... But what the fuck am I to do about it? Just shoot myself for the actions of my ancestors?

Anyways, here is a link to the article, though I'll post the text of it in a quote box below. :)

I'm a middle class white male and have been for a long time, at least as long as I can remember. Truthfully, those classifications have never really played a significant part in my own self-identification, and they never really became an issue until the self-awareness that comes with the late stages of middle school and early high school. It's at that point when students begin to notice what makes them different from one another and when history begins to become a bit more vivid. As our teacher began to read the horrific details of slavery in America's history, I couldn't help but slide deeper into my chair before noticing an African-American friend of mine giving me a playfully dirty look.

"I didn't do it!" I remember whispering to him. "I would never have owned slaves, and if I had I can promise you I would have destroyed all records of it ever occurring, so we wouldn't be learning about it now," I joked back to ease the tension. He was an old friend of mine, so I'm sure when he tripped me as I walked down the aisle to sharpen my pencil it was completely unrelated.

Such is the story for middle class white males growing up today, and it was especially painful for me considering how obscenely pale my complexion is. I might as well have worn a "odds are it's my fault" sign everywhere I went, but if the sign was made out of white paper it would have just blended in with my chameleon-esque albino features.

Considering my background, I noted with worrisome interest when Colby Bohannan, a student at Texas State University, created the Former Majority Association for Equality, an organization dedicated to raising scholarship money for white males only. Even now, reading his website, I felt guilt and began apologizing to my black laptop. In an interview with CNN, Bohannan passionately urged people to understand the scholarship is not meant as disrespect to women or other minorities - it was simply created to help out white male students who may be struggling to pay for the high cost of college. For what it's worth, he appeared sincere, and his comments matched the mission statement of his organization:

"One obstacle that we immediately anticipate is to not appear racist or racially motivated. We do not advocate white supremacy, nor do we enable any individual that does. We do not accept donations from organizations affiliated with any sort of white supremacy or hate group. We have no hidden agenda to promote racial bigotry or segregation. FMAE's existence is dedicated around one simple principle, to provide monetary aid for education to white males who need it."

This situation is truly a delicate one, and I can sympathize with both sides. I understand women and minorities were treated as second class citizens throughout a majority of American history, and it was white men who were the culprits. That wrong should be righted, and I'm glad the United States is making strides. On the other hand, I can see where the frustration is coming from, too.

For example, I was required to take an honor course at my university, and the class size was incredibly small. In fact, there were only around eight students, and I was the only male. The class was extremely diverse, which was great, with white and African-American women with straight and homosexual orientations. I enjoyed the class immensely and it was definitely an experience that stood out, but it also doubled as an apology tour. As our African-American professor detailed the crimes of slavery, the unjustifiable fact that women received the vote so late in American history, the appalling treatment of homosexual couples - it felt as if it would be inappropriate if I didn't clear my throat, stand up and address all the other students.

"Yeah, about those things - that's on us. I'm sorry about all of that business. If it helps at all, hey, lesson learned. Not going to do those things again, right? Who wants a high five?" I can say that the only thing worse than trying to give a group of people a high-five to apologize for civil rights abuses is when the group leaves you hanging. I gave myself a high-five and took my seat.

So, is Colby Bohannan right or wrong for starting a white males only scholarship? Psh, I'm not answering that question. I'm not going anywhere near it. All I know is that I feel an overwhelming urge to apologize to everyone reading this.

Scott Janssen is a recent graduate of Western Michigan University with a Master's degree in Political Science. Though still looking for a job, he prefers to be called a "professional occupational seeker" rather than "unemployed" for self-confidence reasons. He can be reached at [email protected].



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Posted 02 March 2011 - 03:31 PM

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 03:33 PM

Can I say hell yeah?

This country has a ridiculous way of educating people... At least in britain you can pay back the government's investment in your secondary education. They just call it taxes. But in the states, education is a major privilege, not a right at all. The government doesn't acknowledge that todays students drive tomorrows industry - you have to fund education or tomorrow you'll pay double in catchup.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 03:34 PM

You're a massive tool Scot.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 03:35 PM

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As humorous as this may be, I don't feel it is fair. I'm not racist... I don't discriminate against people of color... I actively defend them when I hear people talking about them negatively... Hell, I'm about to marry a black woman!

I can't change the things that my ancestors did. I am my own being with my own values and decisions...

I don't mean to whine about being a white male at all. Like the author above, I recognize that I am granted with a lot of privileges that others are denied based upon the things of the past. I apologize... but what more do you want me to actually do?

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 03:36 PM

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Sure, but the issue isn't about race, so much as the exorbitant price of education.

You're a massive tool Scot.

For once, your opinion almost makes sense. But unfortunately, you're probably calling him a tool because of his race relations beliefs, and not the fact that he's changing the subject.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 03:39 PM

Scot's a dude?

Mind = blown

(and to be clear I am/was criticising him for his massively oversimplified, anti-white, topic changing cartoon)

EDIT: Now I'm changing the topic :p
Just ignore me lol

EDIT2: To be on-topic, I applaud the man in OP's article who is standing up for true equality!

Edited by Nunc, 02 March 2011 - 03:40 PM.


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Posted 02 March 2011 - 03:42 PM

Scot's a dude?

Mind = blown

(and to be clear I am/was criticising him for his massively oversimplified, anti-white, topic changing cartoon)

EDIT: Now I'm changing the topic :p
Just ignore me lol

EDIT2: To be on-topic, I applaud the man in OP's article who is standing up for true equality!

You mean a scholarship for the majority who don't have their own scholarship foundations? That's funny... I think we're in accord. Mind = blown

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 04:21 PM

All joke posting aside, Cody I see where you're coming from and it is unfair for underprivileged white students to be at a disadvantage because there are existing scholarships that support students of black, hispanic, asian descent. I knew some people from my high school that were white and unable to get financial aid because their parents made too much money but refuse to help them out and scholarships are highly competitive while there exists foundations that will offer money if you are of 'X' race. In that sense I can see whites being slightly disadvantaged. I don't see a problem with someone creating a privately funded scholarship just for whites. Ideally there should be one foundation that judged everyone equally based on need and merits. To be clear I'm not advocating that all white males continually apologize for something they had nothing to do with.

If I may diverge from the topic just a little...
I think the whole idea of trying to make amends for past racism is creating more problems for us as a whole. In fact here is an article that talks about disproportionate admission standards that universities have.

http://multicultural...=details&id=234

During the Michigan campaign, a group that opposes affirmative
action released a study bolstering claims that Asian students are
held to a higher standard. The study, by the Center for Equal
Opportunity, in Virginia, found that Asian applicants admitted to
the University of Michigan in 2005 had a median SAT score of 1400 on
the 400-1600 scale then in use. That was 50 points higher than the
median score of white students who were accepted, 140 points higher
than that of Hispanics and 240 points higher than that of blacks.


I don't mean to whine about being a white male at all. Like the author above, I recognize that I am granted with a lot of privileges that others are denied based upon the things of the past. I apologize... but what more do you want me to actually do?


This is how all racism should be approached imo


Edited by Scot, 02 March 2011 - 04:22 PM.


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Posted 02 March 2011 - 04:22 PM

I knew some people from my high school that were white and unable to get financial aid because their parents made too much money but refuse to help them out and scholarships are highly competitive while there exists foundations that will offer money if you are of 'X' race.


I had pretty much this exact problem. I had to wait until age 24 to go back to school because even though my parents make good money, I don't...

Thank goodness the Pell Grant is racially unbiased.

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 05:52 PM

Well, IMO, rasicm would stop if people stopped using it as an excuse or reason, both ways. Those who use rasicm to put down a minority should stop, as well as those using it to gain unfair advantage by "guilt". We need to move on people. Reminds me of my feminist teacher. Such a bitch, but today i went into a conversation about how feminist are partially the cause of divorces, and when she finally realized she lost, she replied "Well, i don't need to get married anyways" To which i stated "You may need to, the 45k a year the school pays you will not cover you and your douchebag of a boyfriend for very long. Detention for a week. O joy!

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 06:33 PM

I always felt this way about natives getting scholarships and such. But to be honest their mistreatment is still somewhat recent. Kids were being forced to attend residential schools as early as the 60's, if I'm not mistaken. The abuse they suffered through really fucked them up. A lot of them became alcoholics, turned to drugs, and many committed suicide.

Once their lives got fucked up, so did their children's.

I don't approve of minority scholarships for aboriginal students, but I think the ones who suffered through the residential school system need to be compensated. And they have been. I remember the conservatives signed a bill for it like 3 years ago. Money is never gonna fix their problems, but it's a good start.

In the end, nothing is gonna make it go away. The only thing we can do is learn from it and move on.

On a similar note, I had these 2 romanian friends who were incredibly nationalistic. Which to me is just backwards "racism". Your ethnicity is nothing to be proud of, and nothing to be ashamed of either.



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Posted 02 March 2011 - 07:13 PM

There will always be racism. Because no one can just get past the differences we have, and nothing will ever make up for the past. Maybe we should drop all privileges given to people based merely on their race or gender or age. Maybe then people will actually EARN their place in this fucking world with hard work.

Well, IMO, rasicm would stop if people stopped using it as an excuse or reason, both ways. Those who use rasicm to put down a minority should stop, as well as those using it to gain unfair advantage by "guilt". We need to move on people. Reminds me of my feminist teacher. Such a bitch, but today i went into a conversation about how feminist are partially the cause of divorces, and when she finally realized she lost, she replied "Well, i don't need to get married anyways" To which i stated "You may need to, the 45k a year the school pays you will not cover you and your douchebag of a boyfriend for very long. Detention for a week. O joy!

We need to move on, but FUCK THAT FEMINIST BITCH I PUT HER IN HER PLACE!

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 07:35 PM

I probably don't need to ask, but I will anyways... Why was this moved to debate? I never intended for this topic to turn into a debate, but rather to be a discussion... In fact, I don't think anyone has actually disagreed with one another yet! (Including Nunc! That's a change!)

Just curious why it was moved here... I do hope this doesn't turn into a debate... I think we can all remain civil and respectful during such a discussion!

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 07:48 PM

I probably don't need to ask, but I will anyways... Why was this moved to debate? I never intended for this topic to turn into a debate, but rather to be a discussion... In fact, I don't think anyone has actually disagreed with one another yet! (Including Nunc! That's a change!)

Just curious why it was moved here... I do hope this doesn't turn into a debate... I think we can all remain civil and respectful during such a discussion!


Even if nobody disagrees, I still think it has the strength that a debate should have. And who knows, maybe someone will come in and disagree.

And I would think that respect and civility should be the hallmarks of a debate anyway.

If you're worried about it devolving, I can always move it back, but I think the topic was intriguing enough to leave here :p

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 07:52 PM

Ok, now I disagree. We should ban these honkey scholarships and implement high-grade affirmative action immediately!

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 07:57 PM

I just want to put this here.
http://rickyylee.tum...aaa-xicanagrrrl

Watch the whole video or else you won't get the point of the video

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 08:07 PM

Watch the whole video or else you won't get the point of the video


Spoiler alert: Old white man helps a black kid steal a bike

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Well, IMO, rasicm would stop if people stopped using it as an excuse or reason, both ways. Those who use rasicm to put down a minority should stop, as well as those using it to gain unfair advantage by "guilt". We need to move on people. Reminds me of my feminist teacher. Such a bitch, but today i went into a conversation about how feminist are partially the cause of divorces, and when she finally realized she lost, she replied "Well, i don't need to get married anyways" To which i stated "You may need to, the 45k a year the school pays you will not cover you and your douchebag of a boyfriend for very long. Detention for a week. O joy!


That actually made me laugh. I'm a woman and I appreciate all the things women did to be treated fairly in the past, but growing up in this day and age, I see myself as equal to anyone. I really rather hate when feminists comment on how they "don't need a man". It bothers me because it's not really the point of getting married. Getting married is about being in love, not needing someone to support you. Times change. I think the biggest problem is most feminists seem to think women should be better instead of equal and they try to push that we can do ANYTHING a man can, which just isn't biologically true. Same as racism, differences should be recognized but not important.

I also was reading something about Southern Pride, I can't recall where the article was, some online blog, but it was about how southerners are just prideful of their heritage and not being racist by honoring their Confederate ancestors. Which is true, I have ancestors from both sides of the civil war, but I think a lot of people tend to go overboard and it ruins the heritage for everyone, making people think they're racist. Just like having a white males only scholarship, it sounds racist only because people want to make it that way.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 12:09 AM

Similar opinions as everyone else who has posted thus far; and even though I'm not white like OP (Asian-American) I find this whole affirmative action as bullshit, and if the minorities deserve an exclusive right to qualifying for grants/scholarships, so should any other ethnicity (YES, including whites as well).

Plus let's be quite honest here that while an average white-caucasian/asian family these days would tend send their kids packing into college after high school, while an average african-american or hispanic family would not be as encouraging as the former group on their kid to pursue a degree.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 01:25 PM

Similar opinions as everyone else who has posted thus far; and even though I'm not white like OP (Asian-American) I find this whole affirmative action as bullshit, and if the minorities deserve an exclusive right to qualifying for grants/scholarships, so should any other ethnicity (YES, including whites as well).

Plus let's be quite honest here that while an average white-caucasian/asian family these days would tend send their kids packing into college after high school, while an average african-american or hispanic family would not be as encouraging as the former group on their kid to pursue a degree.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 02:10 PM

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Flipping image upside down

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 07:21 PM

Mixed feelings on this.
I think race should be completely disregarded is college applications/scholarships. Your socio-economical place in society is generally a much better indicator of need for aid than race alone. Either way, it seems racist to me.

Oh, the joys of being a white male applying for colleges. Doesn't help that my state only has two good ones...

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 09:48 PM

Similar opinions as everyone else who has posted thus far; and even though I'm not white like OP (Asian-American) I find this whole affirmative action as bullshit, and if the minorities deserve an exclusive right to qualifying for grants/scholarships, so should any other ethnicity (YES, including whites as well).

Plus let's be quite honest here that while an average white-caucasian/asian family these days would tend send their kids packing into college after high school, while an average african-american or hispanic family would not be as encouraging as the former group on their kid to pursue a degree.

EDIT: ON A LESS SERIOUS NOTE

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Damn it. I got every single one wrong -__- I guess the buttsex one was just too obvious to be true. Hilarious though, thanks for it :)

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 05:21 PM

Mixed feelings on this.
I think race should be completely disregarded is college applications/scholarships. Your socio-economical place in society is generally a much better indicator of need for aid than race alone. Either way, it seems racist to me.
Oh, the joys of being a white male applying for colleges. Doesn't help that my state only has two good ones...


Well, if you're white,your opinion sounds like sour grapes. Boo hoo I don't get anything for free.
What you need to do is gather a bunch of hispanics, blacks, asians, and women and convince them that the institutions put in place to help them succeed in life are unfair and let them voice the injustice of it all.
And good luck with that.


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