if it's an addition to the seven wonders.. shouldn't they be renamed to the eight wonders?
(lol)
Nope.
Read this
Posted 18 May 2011 - 02:13 PM
I think you lost me somewhere.
You said...
Yeah, but sadly some people doesn't realize this (in response to "Jesus was a Jew") and puts him on a pedestal as a god or the son of a god..
Why shouldn't they do that? Most people who believe in Christ (Christians) understand perfectly well that he was Jewish. Were you saying that he shouldn't be on that pedestal because he was Jewish?
According to Christian faith, Jesus IS the son of God, and he is also God Himself. That's why he's on the pedestal. He's on a super huge one on some mountain in Brazil.
Sure hope His healing power can cure vertigo.
Posted 19 May 2011 - 07:11 AM
Wrong. Although it is only mentioned once.However the trinity is never mentioned in the scripture
The idea that the Nicaean Council edited and altered the biblical text to consolidate many different systems of belief, and to subsume others, is well accepted.and this idea in my opinion was invented to perpetuate the idea of monotheism (see my debate topic). Honestly i believe that jesus is more like a demigod while Jehovah is his superior, and the holy spirit is just that a spirit. I believe that this idea of the trinity was created at the council of Nicea in an attempt to create Religious unity between the different churches
Posted 19 May 2011 - 08:00 AM
Wrong. Although it is only mentioned once.
The idea that the Nicaean Council edited and altered the biblical text to consolidate many different systems of belief, and to subsume others, is well accepted.
Your revelation is about five hundred years late.
Posted 19 May 2011 - 01:44 PM
I was referring to John 5:7-8.Do you have evidence from the scripture? the only passage that i can even think of that may deal with it is when jesus said I and the father are one in John 10:30.
However this wording is obviously very vague and can mean anything.
If jesus is refering that he and the father are the same being why would he go on to say
32Jesus answered them: Many good works I have shewed you from my Father; for which of these works do you stone me?
It is better translated as a union in purpose rather than a union in body.
Posted 20 May 2011 - 05:28 AM
I was referring to John 5:7-8.
7 “Sir,” the invalid replied, “I have no one to help me into the pool when the water is stirred. While I am trying to get in, someone else goes down ahead of me.”
8 Then Jesus said to him, “Get up! Pick up your mat and walk.”
Posted 20 May 2011 - 07:05 AM
Posted 20 May 2011 - 08:23 AM
Apologies, I meant 1 John 5:7-8
<a id="7" class="verse" name="7">7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Posted 20 May 2011 - 08:26 AM
Posted 20 May 2011 - 08:34 AM
That is a clear example of the Trinity in scripture. I care not a jot whether you refute it with more scripture (a hopelessly pointless exercise), it still proves your assertion that the Trinity is not mentioned in scripture utterly wrong. As I said.
Edited by frostz, 20 May 2011 - 08:36 AM.
Posted 20 May 2011 - 08:38 AM
That's a pathetically semantic argument. It says "these three are one", and in a context that suggests it means just that.it doesnt prove it just because it says these three are one. It does not say one in what?
If three countries ally in a war work as one for a purpose, do you say that these countries are the same country?
The fact that the trinity is refuted in various places outside of this extremely vague verse, supports my argument.
Posted 20 May 2011 - 08:41 AM
That's a pathetically semantic argument. It says "these three are one", and in a context that suggests it means just that.
Your analogy is flawed. Working as one is not the same as "being one".
Posted 20 May 2011 - 08:44 AM
Because the trinity is an entity separate and of one being simultaneously.9 We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
these are the verses following 5-7.
If we are talking about context, then why is it that the rest of it talks about God and the Son as two different beings?
Posted 20 May 2011 - 08:54 AM
Because the trinity is an entity separate and of one being simultaneously.
Cognitive dissonance strikes again.
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Edited by frostz, 20 May 2011 - 08:57 AM.
Posted 20 May 2011 - 09:09 AM
Posted 20 May 2011 - 09:11 AM
The bible is infallible. One verse is plenty.Except how can you come to this conclusion, if only one vague verse in the scripture seem to support the idea of a unity of body, whereas there are a whole lot of verses otherwise that contradict the idea of the trinity.
Again refer to my analogy with the countries.
If there were other verses that either clearly states and/or supported the idea that they are both separate and one simultaneously then i would concede your point but there isn't.
The single verse you referenced is too vague to come to a hard conclusion of the concept of trinity
Posted 20 May 2011 - 09:23 AM
Christianity is bullshiit,
we shouldn't use condoms, but their priests should get away with touching children,
no birth control, no abortion.
sure christianity was the basis for a lot of our laws, but who's to say that these laws are not flawed? who's to say that we could have done better without christian influence. Hell if it was up to the christians we'd still have the sun revolving around the earth.
the bible freaking preaches violence,
Samuel 15:3
Chronicles 15:13
Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Posted 20 May 2011 - 10:14 AM
I am like fairly certain that there is no evidence from the scriptures that are in support of priests touching children, unless one of you can prove otherwise.
the contraception think is also only vaguely mentioned in the bible
Genesis 38
7And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
8And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
9And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
10And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
The thing here is that Judah told Onan to marry his brother's wife and bear children for his brother, an order which he defied. An act that displeased the lord so the lord killed him.
Posted 20 May 2011 - 01:12 PM
Christianity is bullshiit,
we shouldn't use condoms, but their priests should get away with touching children,
no birth control, no abortion.
sure christianity was the basis for a lot of our laws, but who's to say that these laws are not flawed? who's to say that we could have done better without christian influence. Hell if it was up to the christians we'd still have the sun revolving around the earth.
the bible freaking preaches violence,
Samuel 15:3
Chronicles 15:13
Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Posted 21 May 2011 - 12:44 AM
the bible freaking preaches violence,
Samuel 15:3
Chronicles 15:13
Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Posted 21 May 2011 - 03:11 AM
Posted 21 May 2011 - 09:25 AM
Well the Old testament does teach violence, at least against non believers, but what do you expect, Jehovah was a "regional god" whose power base was centered around the Israelites, and the region in which they lived. He was basically in competition with other gods for power like Baal, Asherah and etc.
Baal. Now there's a bitchin' god.
Posted 21 May 2011 - 09:30 AM
So you do agree that the Bible teaches people to be violent (atleast to non-believers). Well now I can start blaming violence on Christians
Posted 21 May 2011 - 09:32 AM
Posted 21 May 2011 - 09:40 AM
I'm a Christian but im coming in here to say: what the fuck is this world ending shit. make us look even worse then we already do, will you?
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