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[MisterDerp]

THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

You're so clever with your excessive punctuation and the inclusion of the sarcasm emote.

Actually no, you chose to pay attention only to the dude's post and not what he was responding to. Khuce said it happened generally, and frostz corrected him saying it's pretty much a given.

Edited by MisterDerp, 29 May 2011 - 12:32 PM.

[Narcissa]

Its not just "generally" its pretty much a fact when a CC costs several hundred dollars whereas a 4 year university costs several thousand in tuition.

The cheapness doesn't matter when your credits dont transfer/transfer as shit credits so that you have to retake them. The money isn't an issue if you're not stupid is my point.

So yes; he was being redundant and obvious.

Edited by Khuce, 29 May 2011 - 06:09 PM.

[frostz]

The cheapness doesn't matter when your credits dont transfer/transfer as shit credits so that you have to retake them. The money isn't an issue if you're not stupid is my point.

So yes; he was being redundant and obvious.

The point of a CC is that the credits are always supposed to transfer. Ever hear of the Transfer Agreement Program (TAG)?
If you don't go through TAG then you are "stupid is my point". Besides it is your responsibility as a student to make sure that what you take can be transferred to begin with.

Therefore cheapness does matter, and money is always an issue. You CAN and WILL save thousands of dollars by going through 2 years of CC for your GEDS.
You will NOT save money and WILL spend thousands of dollars if you try to take your GEDS in a 4 year university whether you are stupid or not. Being "smart" and choosing the right classes will not give you some kind of magical discount when you are trying to take your GEDS at a four year college because you are charged a flat rate per quarter not based on what class you took.

If you are taking the wrong classes in a CC that don't transfer out then you are being stupid and will likely still be stupid and choose classes that don't count towards your GED if you simply began at a 4 year university.

Its very simple, do the TAG, finish the check list of requirements that they give you, and you will be guaranteed admission into any UC or 4 year college that are involved in the CC's TAG. Saves thousands of dollars every time for every student if they can follow directions.

Therefore it is not "Generally" more cost effective, it "is" more cost effective. You would essentially have to pay tuition for 2+ years of untransferable classes for the cost to equal a year of a 4 year college. A person who is stuck in a CC because they keep taking non-transfer classes thus racking up their tuition bill and not realizing it are probably not eligible for a 4 year college anyway.

http://californiacol...ollege-cost.asp
scroll down to the chart. you would have to be pretty clueless if going to a community college first starts becoming less cost effective than going to a UC.

Making a post to try and point out redundancy is more redundant than the "supposed" redundant post itself especially when half of posts in the topic are "redundant" posts, and the post that points out redundancy sticks out as the most off topic post in the entire thread.

Edited by frostz, 29 May 2011 - 06:43 PM.

[Narcissa]

Yeah, TAG isn't through all schools; most I'm seeing is for Cali/Phili so that makes it null and void for schools outside your little world. Cali schools make sense as a majority of them are UC, the CC's would naturally make the courses transferable.

I've seen a lot of people get fucked over in my state who do have to retake classes that should've counted for their degree programs but didn't ergo that is NOT cost effective if you're not smart about it (which was my whole point in the first place). Classes usually transfer but as electives so it's not worth it for your program.

All in all, your post is TL;DR because I really don't give a fuck because the shit you're posting doesn't pertain to me because I'm not in your state.

[frostz]

Yeah, TAG isn't through all schools; most I'm seeing is for Cali/Phili so that makes it null and void for schools outside your little world. Cali schools make sense as a majority of them are UC, the CC's would naturally make the courses transferable.

I've seen a lot of people get fucked over in my state who do have to retake classes that should've counted for their degree programs but didn't ergo that is NOT cost effective if you're not smart about it (which was my whole point in the first place). Classes usually transfer but as electives so it's not worth it for your program.

All in all, your post is TL;DR because I really don't give a fuck because the shit you're posting doesn't pertain to me because I'm not in your state.

I don't care if it pertains to you, you did not start this thread, and neither did you post the state in which you lived, so therefore i am allowed to respond in as general a way as i wish. Most CC's have some sort of articulation program whether or not they are in california. So all i can say is, sucks to be you or whoever else that lives in "your little world" where all your CC courses count as electives.

[Narcissa]

I don't care if it pertains to you, you did not start this thread, and neither did you post the state in which you lived, so therefore i am allowed to respond in as general a way as i wish. Most CC's have some sort of articulation program whether or not they are in california. So all i can say is, sucks to be you or whoever else that lives in "your little world" where all your CC courses count as electives.

"your little world" = rest of the world outside of Cali.

Nice blanket statement bro. Putting people into the same category that only occupies 11% of the US population yet alone the world and saying that the way your state does things is obviously how other states/countries/territories do it is fucking moronic at best.

[frostz]

"your little world" = rest of the world outside of Cali.

Nice blanket statement bro. Putting people into the same category that only occupies 11% of the US population yet alone the world and saying that the way your state does things is obviously how other states/countries/territories do it is fucking moronic at best.

stating that only schools in california have articulation programs is even more moronic. The burden of proof falls upon you if you are trying to claim that nearly every CC in the world outside of california are completely without some kind of transfer program with local universities. It is more plausible for me to say that some form of transfer program exists in other states than for you to say it does not, because googling the subject brings up quite a few results.

By my estimation you are guilty of the same thing you are trying to accuse me of, which is the generalization of the universities in the rest of the world based upon your own state.

Which in your case you are saying that transfer agreement programs only exist in california and no where else.

please read your own statements before trying to insult others.

Edited by frostz, 30 May 2011 - 09:11 PM.

[Narcissa]

My own state?

Let's see, to date I've gone to schools (and tried to transfer my credits cross school wise) in, New Mexico, Utah, Georgia, Montana, and Colorado. I'm not making a mass assumption here, mk? I actually know wtf I'm talking about unlike you. I'm done here now.

[frostz]

My own state?

Let's see, to date I've gone to schools (and tried to transfer my credits cross school wise) in, New Mexico, Utah, Georgia, Montana, and Colorado. I'm not making a mass assumption here, mk? I actually know wtf I'm talking about unlike you. I'm done here now.

Then apparently you fall under the category of what you deem as "stupid". Because obviously you did not do your research prior to attempting to transfer if your credits were rejected from schools across 4 states (key word tried). Besides which, if you were transferring out of state, then you weren't doing the CC TAG anyway. Blame yourself instead of the university system if you can't do a simple bit of research to find out whether or not the classes you were taking are actually acceptable at a 4 year university.

First lets analyze your statement literally. You claim that you not only tried to transfer to but have also gone to school in all 5 states, and assuming we are talking about undergrad GEDS which is a fair assumption seeing as how we are talking about community colleges and 4 year universities, then you must simply be failing at whatever it is you were trying to do to finish your GEDS. Now since universities generally force you to take a certain amount of courses at their school pertaining to the major which you chose, then based upon your post logic dictates that you must have been taking classes in at least 4 different CCs across multiple states to try and do your GEDS, and then went on to one university for your major

Now let me analyze your statement again without taking what you said above literally.

A. You went to a CC in only 1 state. You were unable to get your credits to properly transfer to other states. However in this scenario it also means that you did your 4 year University in the same state which means that your "experience" is completely irrelevant because you had no intention of transferring out of state to begin with and were not working towards such.
B. You went to a CC in 1 state and tried transferring to other states without being successful because of non transfer credits. Then you went on to take the classes pertaining to your major in different universities. Again, completely your fault for not doing research. TAG does not apply out of state. This scenario would also bring to light questions about the truth of your post, as universities generally do not allow you to take more than a certain number of classes for the major out of campus.
C. You went to multiple CCs in different states and transferred to 1 university for your major, albeit having a difficult time because of non transfer credits. Question is why did you travel to another state to do your GEDS? And if this was what you did, then your difficulties you brought your difficulties upon yourself, by forgoing the articulation programs that CC's generally have with the colleges within the state.
D. there is no option D, because the entire basis of your argument is that you've had so much experience applying to, and being accepted/rejected, and attending all these different community colleges and universities across multiple states. Any other options would loop back to option A. 1 CC, 1 UNI, same state or in different state, it doesn't matter because the end result is that you either did not do TAG, or you did not do your research.

In any of the scenarios in which tag is irrelevant to you, it would effectively make you out one of those stupid people that waste time and money that you keep talking about. So again I state, the vagueness of your posts allow me to make generalized statements, because you are unable to properly articulate your situation even now.

In both scenarios, literal and analyzed you obviously don't know what you are talking about. You are either a liar claiming that you have experience both going to, and trying to transfer to all these schools in different states, or you are one of those clueless people who try to transfer out of state without researching their classes to begin with.
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TLDR

I went to a CC for 2 years

Let's see, to date I've gone to schools (and tried to transfer my credits cross school wise) in, New Mexico, Utah, Georgia, Montana, and Colorado.

if you think my arguments are incoherent that would be entirely your fault as your posts contradict each other.

Either you went to 1 CC, and went to to multiple universities for your major, which is impossible because they do not let you do that.

Or you went to multiple CCs ("i've gone to schools and tried to transfer my credits cross school wise" implying that you went to multiple schools before going to a 4 year university), and did no research on your transfer making your so called experience irrelevant to what i am pointing out about transfer agreements .

Edited by frostz, 30 May 2011 - 11:39 PM.

[Narcissa]

Uhm, alright, I don't need to defend myself and my two degrees, a minor, two degrees I'm working on now and associates to someone on the internet who can't even get their facts straight outside of their own state.

Dude, let it go.

[chess211]

My own state?

Let's see, to date I've gone to schools (and tried to transfer my credits cross school wise) in, New Mexico, Utah, Georgia, Montana, and Colorado. I'm not making a mass assumption here, mk? I actually know wtf I'm talking about unlike you. I'm done here now.

I know that Colorado has a transfer credit program with its own CC's, as I have worked with the math and engineering department at Colorado State University which purposeflly sets some classes as 300 level, despite being a Sophomore year class (Differential Equations) just so it cannot be transfered from a CC, as by law only 200 level and below can be transfered.

Now I go to school in New York, and I know many people who transfered from the local CC with two years worth of credit. I am at the University of Rochetser, and the people transfered from MCC.

It it probably that the transfer program only works between local CC and local universities.

[Melchoire]

I don't really have a complaint against my school tuitions.

My program has 3 mandatory co-op semesters which pay an average of $10,000 per semester. So if you're really careful with your money you could graduate with little to no debt.

[Juturna]

I'm no where near done with this, but WTF? That's a HUGE amount of money. -_-' Why on earth do they need us to pay that much anyways? Oh right. They want us to pay more because they're greedy bastards. Ug. At least at lot of my college - if not all (<-unsure about exactly how much) has already been saved.

I'm really not looking forward to this now. >_>

The second women: 100k debt, and it inflates to 300k. That's complete bullshit. That's pratically a %200 interest on the entire thing. I mean, I could get a 150k, but 300? Ug. That's simply terrible.

Edit: In the end, it has some good points and it has some freakin' worthless points. in the end, both if you do and don't, imho, we're rather screwed. ._.

Edited by Roa, 03 June 2011 - 12:16 AM.

[MeWantCookies]

At least undergrad serves a purpose, you get a degree that increases your value to a future employer.

As a recent law school grad, I am pleased to inform you that the U.S.'s future lawyers pay anywhere from 30k-150k for three years of completely useless lectures and exams that in no way prepare them to practice law. Then they pay an additional 3k-6k in bar preparation courses and bar application fees to prepare for the bar exam resulting in more lectures and one big exam that also fails to prepare them to practice law. Finally, they enter the work force with only the legal training they received during a couple of summers as unpaid interns for a law firm.

Is undergrad a scam? That depends on which undergrad school you're asking about.
Is law school a scam? Without a doubt.