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[Lucian]

[Scot]

[Random]

Too long to watch. I can guarantee I don't agree though.
Have lots of friends with siblings that went to private colleges making bank.

Go to an expensive shitty college, be in debt.
Go to an expensive awesome college, typically succeed because you are old money have made connections to someone who can help you with a job.

Majority of my friends from school this year who were seniors are going off to $55k+ jobs that they wanted. College worked for them.

[Boggart]

I really want to watch this but it's an hour long and I have studying to be done

Seriously, can anyone summarize a bit for me? :3

[Neoquest]

Wow, that really makes me feel good about my future.

[Lucian]

I really want to watch this but it's an hour long and I have studying to be done

Seriously, can anyone summarize a bit for me? :3

If you watch the first ten minutes you can pretty much foreshadow what the rest of the video will be covering. xD

[giraffe]

Sorry, I'm not going to watch this a week after graduating. It's too depressing an idea to think about.

[Lallard]

I'd have to disagree with this guy calling college education as a "scam".

Assuming that the student would play his cards right and actually bust his/her ass to earn that degree, the journey in overcoming/putting up with all the obstacles in college is what makes the person develop the skills that employers seek in their prospective employees. The maturity that one develops transitioning from living at home in high school--virtually care free with mommy and daddy backing you up when stuff just falls out of control, to moving out to college where it's you against the semester/quarter system is far beyond priceless, and in my opinion is what we're really paying for with the tuition.

While I do have my bias since I'm about to graduate with MechE and about to get my masters in EE, 4 years in college is definitely better than 4 years of not trying to push yourself as soon as you walk out of high school.

[rapmastahc]

This may be true, but it's not like you have an alternative. Second-year computer science student btw.

[Noitidart]

The whole education system here is a scam. You go to school learn jack, you get to college and get your ass kicked. You get a job and they don't even care about any of what you learend, except if you have that piece of paper........

[Kat]

I personally think that while the system may be fucked, the people that take out those loans should be held responsible if they don't pay them back.
I am in my third year of college and only have about $800 in debt, and that is going to be paid off at the end of this summer.
I will have a degree and no outstanding debt because I worked my ass off at a part-time job while attending college.
I did receive financial aid, but it only paid for about half of my college and did not paid for books or gas money.
My parents had/have no money to give me for college, but the provide most of my food and I stay at home.
It's all about personal responsibility.. don't take out that loan when you don't know if you're guaranteed a job after college or however you think you're going to pay that off..
There are some situations where it simply can't be helped, but.. there are other alternatives than taking out a huge loan, like Scot's picture stated.
Big corporations and government aren't the only ones to blame.

[ZKK]

DUBNER: A reader named Jonathan Bennett asks, “Is it true that college education is no longer a factor, or even a disadvantage, when it comes to employment?” Levitt, what say you?

LEVITT: (laughs) I think that never has anyone made a statement more false than Jonathan Bennett’s statement that education would be no help or a disadvantage in the modern economy. Of all the topics that economists have studied, I would say one we are most certain about are the returns to education. And the numbers that people have come up with over and over are that every extra year of education that you get will translate into an 8 percent increase in earnings over your lifetime. So someone who graduated from college will earn about 30 percent more on average than someone who only graduated from high school. And if anything, the returns to education have gotten larger over time. They’re as big as they have ever been.

[frostz]

honestly i don't think college is enough anymore, grad school seems to be the equivalent of graduating from college 50 years ago in this modern day.

It used to be that simply graduating from highschool was something to be respected, but the trend that can be seen over the last century is that more and more education is required.

Now that i think about it, high school honestly didn't teach anything, and is if anything a waste of time. College GEDs, are nothing more than a rehash of whatever it is that you learned in high school, albeit in more detail, less daily hw, and more papers. From this standpoint, the very fact that you are basically forced to spend 2 years of tuition to relearn, what you already know (high school on overdrive), makes the education system a scam. They should allow you to jump right into the field you are specializing in instead of wasting time doing all this "general education to broaden your knowledge"

My opinion is that instead of making people waste 4 years in high school they should go directly from middle school to college (since GEDs is basically doing high school over again except crammed into two years), and grad school should become the equivalent of what college is now.

Edited by frostz, 25 May 2011 - 07:51 AM.

[chess211]

I would disagree with college being a scam, at least in general. Some kinds could be, like going to an expensive college and only wanting to be a high school or middle school English teacher.

I will also disagree with general requirements for a broad education being a waste of time, but then again my general education requirements only amount to 6 classes total, or a semester and a half not two year. I will agree that many of the introductory classes, essentially Freshman and Sophomore year are mostly wasting time as they could easily be done in high school.

What is needed to a greater unification in syllabus for each years, so that those who are advanced can start taking advanced classes early. It would cheapen college, while keeping more students interested in learning.

[frostz]

I would disagree with college being a scam, at least in general. Some kinds could be, like going to an expensive college and only wanting to be a high school or middle school English teacher.

I will also disagree with general requirements for a broad education being a waste of time, but then again my general education requirements only amount to 6 classes total, or a semester and a half not two year. I will agree that many of the introductory classes, essentially Freshman and Sophomore year are mostly wasting time as they could easily be done in high school.

What is needed to a greater unification in syllabus for each years, so that those who are advanced can start taking advanced classes early. It would cheapen college, while keeping more students interested in learning.

cheapening college will never happen, seeing as how it is a business and all that...thats the only reason why they keep (most people) around for the 2 years of GED, so that they get paid more money imo.

Edited by frostz, 26 May 2011 - 10:01 AM.

[luvsmyncis]

Go to an expensive awesome college, typically succeed because you are old money have made connections to someone who can help you with a job.

Please explain to me how I can become old money, make connections, and not have to be paid $13 an hour anymore.

[chess211]

cheapening college will never happen, seeing as how it is a business and all that...thats the only reason why they keep (most people) around for the 2 years of GED, so that they get paid more money imo.

Very true, and very amusing. As a physics major I have a good chance of getting a stipend to completely cover the cost of grad school, so the universities have the money to pay grad students to show up, yet keep on increasing tuition well faster than any other price index is increasing.

[Random]

Please explain to me how I can become old money, make connections, and not have to be paid $13 an hour anymore.

Well, I typo'd

You can't become old money, I was stating if you go to any big name school there's a high chance that you do have old money. I'm talking WASPs and rich Catholics
Making connections is pretty easy, most colleges have lots of different networking things that few people take advantage of. Sadly, that's their dilemma

[luvsmyncis]

You can't become old money, I was stating if you go to any big name school there's a high chance that you do have old money. I'm talking WASPs and rich Catholics

Oh godammit, I'm a poor Catholic. I curse my life!
Honestly, when I went to school, I paid for it out of pocket. But my brother and sister get Pell Grants (which often also covers the cost of books), and NEVER do loans. My sister already has an associate in business and is going for who knows what else in business management. Whether or not it gets her a better job, whateva. She hasn't paid for shit.

[Sweeney]

College is a scam for stupid, poor people. It's a networking hub for stupid rich people, and an educational rocketship for intelligent people.

[Kido]

Vid was way too long but I read Scot's post/pic. Now I'm scared for when I go to uni D:

[frostz]

Vid was way too long but I read Scot's post/pic. Now I'm scared for when I go to uni D:

its probably more cost effective to go to a community college and transfer out from there.

[Narcissa]

its probably more cost effective to go to a community college and transfer out from there.

I went to a CC for 2 years and it generally is more cost effective if you're smart about it. Make sure you take classes that will actually transfer to something worthwhile and towards a degree/gen ed, a lot of people don't realize this and get fucked over. My gf is one of said people and I'll be graduating before her in college even though we graduated at the same time and took roughly the same credit hours per semester.

I was also smart though and went into fields that will net me jobs when I graduate. I laugh at people who go for art degrees and think that somehow they'll make it. Morons.

I've done pell grants my entire schooling and I have a hefty chunk of inheritance sitting in mutual funds for me should I need to rely on it. I'll probably still take out a loan towards my last year as I literally have no credit built up for me right now.

[frostz]

I went to a CC for 2 years and it generally is more cost effective if you're smart about it. Make sure you take classes that will actually transfer to something worthwhile and towards a degree/gen ed, a lot of people don't realize this and get fucked over. My gf is one of said people and I'll be graduating before her in college even though we graduated at the same time and took roughly the same credit hours per semester.

I was also smart though and went into fields that will net me jobs when I graduate. I laugh at people who go for art degrees and think that somehow they'll make it. Morons.

I've done pell grants my entire schooling and I have a hefty chunk of inheritance sitting in mutual funds for me should I need to rely on it. I'll probably still take out a loan towards my last year as I literally have no credit built up for me right now.

Its not just "generally" its pretty much a fact when a CC costs several hundred dollars whereas a 4 year university costs several thousand in tuition.

[Donaldmax]

Its not just "generally" its pretty much a fact when a CC costs several hundred dollars whereas a 4 year university costs several thousand in tuition.

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