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[tutfisken]

How old is Steve Jobs? Poor guy, already has cancer and is getting so sick and messing up his presentations... I don't think he was the mastermind of apple either.

[Broham]

Oh no, change! Kill it with fire!

Being open to change is a virtue.

[artificial]

If this hasn't been mentioned already, I probably should. By buying from Apple your are helping increase the US deficit because Apple offshores all production.

Just an interesting tidbit, not that I care very much about the economic state of a country that I don't live in.

Yes, because most companies don't outsource production to China

Actually, if everybody was spending again, it would improve the state of the global economy.

[Vendel]

Yes, because most companies don't outsource production to China

Actually, if everybody was spending again, it would improve the state of the global economy.

Most don't to the extent Apple does.

Also spending does not nessesarily mean an improved economy, that's a flaw of Keynesian policy. For example, if you spend on goods from another country, the money does not go about creating jobs in your country.

[raK]

I heard his successor, a Mr. Broe Jobs, has agreed to satisfy the consumers... No?

[Frizzle]

Respect. +1

Respect. +1

[redlion]

Most don't to the extent Apple does.

Also spending does not nessesarily mean an improved economy, that's a flaw of Keynesian policy. For example, if you spend on goods from another country, the money does not go about creating jobs in your country.

Most is a weasel word. It implies a majority while offering no proof for the implication. If you don't want to play the fool, consider employing argumentation with real facts and/or figures: not a generalization.

Spending doesn't necessarily mean an improved economy: true. But 'spending' itself is a catchall term, including disposable income, federal expenditure, tax write offs, and a myriad of other expenses. As far as discretionary spending affecting an economy, it certainly can, most especially in an economy as tied to consumerism as America's! We are a consumer driven economy.


tl;dr, as a matter of fact, consumer spending does mean an improved economy, at least in America.

[Vendel]

Most is a weasel word. It implies a majority while offering no proof for the implication. If you don't want to play the fool, consider employing argumentation with real facts and/or figures: not a generalization.

Spending doesn't necessarily mean an improved economy: true. But 'spending' itself is a catchall term, including disposable income, federal expenditure, tax write offs, and a myriad of other expenses. As far as discretionary spending affecting an economy, it certainly can, most especially in an economy as tied to consumerism as America's! We are a consumer driven economy.


tl;dr, as a matter of fact, consumer spending does mean an improved economy, at least in America.

I didn't put much thought into my usage of most, take it as you will, I hardly care. However my thought about Apple stemmed from an article I read that stated that buying Apple products actually resulted in more money leaving the country than it gained. (somewhere on the Globe and Mail) I only wanted to convey that an American corporation, selling a product developed, and invented in America, is actually generating a net loss for it's country,

After all the stimulus packages injected, quantitative easing attempts made by the Government and Federal Reserve have fallen grievously short of their expectations, it certainly doesn't seem like consumer spending is doing it's job. Then again government cannot control how the citizens spend their money, if they spend a significant part of it on Walmart goods? Then they certainly aren't contributing to the growth of their own economy.

Edited by Delcer, 08 September 2011 - 10:46 PM.

[redlion]

I didn't put much thought into my usage of most, take it as you will, I hardly care. However my thought about Apple stemmed from an article I read that stated that buying Apple products actually resulted in more money leaving the country than it gained. (somewhere on the Globe and Mail) I only wanted to convey that an American corporation, selling a product developed, and invented in America, is actually generating a net loss for it's country,

After all the stimulus packages injected, quantitative easing attempts made by the Government and Federal Reserve have fallen grievously short of their expectations, it certainly doesn't seem like consumer spending is doing it's job. Then again government cannot control how the citizens spend their money, if they spend a significant part of it on Walmart goods? Then they certainly aren't contributing to the growth of their own economy.

Ah. In that case, an opinion of Apple should be held separate from your opinions of other companies, regardless of Apple's net 'loss' for America. Personally, I couldn't give two shits if China gets a few jobs out of our iPod craze or whatever. The educated workers are American, right here in America - we're still paying their salaries first, before we pay chinese manufacturers pennies on the dollar for cheap labor. To me, that's just Apple playing smart business, not screwing any particular nation.

You're perfectly right, the stimulus packages probably put us further in the hole. Consumer spending can't pull us out of a recession all on it's own because discretionary spending per household is shrinking. People don't have the money anymore to waste on consumer goods, they got bills n' shit. Of course you're correct in saying the government can't tell people how to spend their money.

I'll refer you to this... educational production. It's kinda catchy, but mostly I'm posting it because it's relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk

[Vendel]

Ah. In that case, an opinion of Apple should be held separate from your opinions of other companies, regardless of Apple's net 'loss' for America. Personally, I couldn't give two shits if China gets a few jobs out of our iPod craze or whatever. The educated workers are American, right here in America - we're still paying their salaries first, before we pay chinese manufacturers pennies on the dollar for cheap labor. To me, that's just Apple playing smart business, not screwing any particular nation.

You're perfectly right, the stimulus packages probably put us further in the hole. Consumer spending can't pull us out of a recession all on it's own because discretionary spending per household is shrinking. People don't have the money anymore to waste on consumer goods, they got bills n' shit. Of course you're correct in saying the government can't tell people how to spend their money.

I'll refer you to this... educational production. It's kinda catchy, but mostly I'm posting it because it's relevant.

Actually I share your sentiment on Apple, I just posted it because I was curious to see what responses I would get from avid Apple product users.

I've seen those Keynes VS Hayek videos before. They were definitely interesting and entertaining to watch! I hadn't even heard of Hayek before seeing those videos; it was certainly a good learning experience!

Edited by Delcer, 09 September 2011 - 05:09 PM.