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[Frizzle]

Lol I like how you don't even know your own laws and are assuming any protest broke up by police is brutality and an infringement of your human rights.

Let's face it, police do not give a fuck about you or your views. They get paid more money, are in stable jobs and ride around in a nee-naw car. They are cotent in the fact they don't need to sit in a tent for 6 days being a whiney dirty bitch.

Why would they possibly want to supress this protest? What possible justification in hundreds of cops risking their livelihoods, mortgages and families futures on, unless they wernt acting within the law.

Unless of course you believe all police are working for "the man" which proves my theory on you dolelite wastes again.

Jobs are available in California. Here's over 500 by using a simple google search http://us.tiptopjob....A/region/100109

So I just found hundreds of jobs in seconds and you moan there's none out there because "the man" says you can't smoke weed?

You're arguments are getting sillier and sillier.

Edit: just to counter-argue you're bitch fit about living in a police state. You're a cunt. Seriously, you take your rights and freedoms to the limit, the push the authorities and then moan.

Here's a real police state
http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-12791738

Look, you'd be killed with a bullet between the eyes before you had a chance to moan "no jobs" and we'd laugh. Because your existence is being demeaned by your worthless actions and points.

A Police state is East Germany, the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, north Korea, Cambodia, Zimbabwe, Uganda, south Africa and so forth.

A country is not a police state because you fucking hippies break the law and get ass-fucked because of it.

Edited by Frizzle, 26 October 2011 - 01:27 PM.

[Abradix]

Lol I like how you don't even know your own laws and are assuming any protest broke up by police is brutality and an infringement of your human rights.

Let's face it, police do not give a fuck about you or your views. They get paid more money, are in stable jobs and ride around in a nee-naw car. They are cotent in the fact they don't need to sit in a tent for 6 days being a whiney dirty bitch.

Why would they possibly want to supress this protest? What possible justification in hundreds of cops risking their livelihoods, mortgages and families futures on, unless they wernt acting within the law.

Unless of course you believe all police are working for "the man" which proves my theory on you dolelite wastes again.

Jobs are available in California. Here's over 500 by using a simple google search http://us.tiptopjob....A/region/100109

So I just found hundreds of jobs in seconds and you moan there's none out there because "the man" says you can't smoke weed?

You're arguments are getting sillier and sillier.

Your vitriolic, sophomoric responses and underhanded stereotypes don't really make for an intelligent debate... Then again, look who I'm talking to... It depresses me to no end to know that its people like you that are supposedly looking out for the interests of others.

Americans have a right to let the government, and therefore law-enforcement, know when it is wrong. It's written right into the Constitution, the document this country was founded on and that indisputedly trumps any silly state penal code about not being able to stay overnight in a park that was paid for with my tax dollars. I understand the police don't care about the views of OWS, they're living the American Dream right? Well, I understand that its called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it. The dumb-dumb police drones don't realize that we're out there trying to defend their liberties as well. They don't see the fascist globalist banker regime that has dug its claws into our country and they certainly don't realize the implications of a police state, because they're a part of it.

I also lol'd at your Google search. Everyone knows the best way to get a job is to Google it right? Wrong! I actually live here, I've applied to hundreds of jobs over the past year and yet I'm still stuck scraping by with temporary jobs and under-the-table pay. I'm sure 6.5 million unemployed in the state would be overjoyed to hear about the WHOLE 500 jobs you found on Google! Your "argument" is shallow, laughable, and holds no water.

Edit: It is indeed quickly evolving (or devolving, as the case may be) into a police state situation as I attempted to demonstrate in my preceding post. And if it comes to that, I'd gladly martyr myself for the movement. Its better to die on your feet than live on your knees, but I don't suppose you'd know much about conviction like that... Hey, could you tie my shoe while you're down there?

Edited by Abradix, 26 October 2011 - 02:08 PM.

[Abradix]

If you stopped smoking weed and failing drug tests in your Medicals, you may find more permanent work that pays good money.

Alternatively, keep saying you're a poor white man living life hard, no money week to week barely able to afford food... But there's always money for weed.

Yes, I'm sure you'll have some rebuttal and call me some form of idiot, but at least I, like frizzle, have a good job...

You, like Frizzle, also enjoy making half-assed arguments based on personal attacks... Hence why I tend to bash your intellect (or lack thereof). Now that we got the calling-you-an-idiot part out of the way, I suppose failing a drug test would be a bad thing, but to do that people have to be actively hiring... Which they aren't. Are you so sure that I'm spending money on weed while I'm camped out 20 yards from the LA Courthouse? Are you sure I hadn't bought some synthetic urine months ago just in case by some miracle I did get called in for a drug test? Are you so sure your good job will last forever and that you won't ever experience the struggle so many people here have, and are still, experiencing? I'm lucky, I don't have to take care of anyone but myself... But every day I head to kid village at OWS and try to help out the families that got foreclosed on but didn't end up getting bailed out, whether its sharing a sandwich or a song on my guitar... Enjoy your good job, enjoy your sheltered life. Just realize that working 9-5 isn't doing a damn thing for the progress of humanity.

[Melchoire]

Some dude got trashed last night:

NSFW:

Spoiler

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqNOPZLw03Q

E: he was an iraq war veteran who survived 2 tours. The irony!

[Frizzle]

Wait, you're a druggie who can't find a job? Surprise surprise.

You'll make the same argument every other drug abuser who's skint will make.

Police are evil, govt is fascist, everyone's against me. There's a reason theres no jobs for condescending drug addicts. You can't hope to throw a couple of thesarus words in a CV and think you deserve a job.

But what do we know? I'll guess I'll go back to making lots money at a job I love maybe I should go protest and ignore key arguments in conflicting views.

[Junsu]

Lol I like how you don't even know your own laws and are assuming any protest broke up by police is brutality and an infringement of your human rights.

Let's face it, police do not give a fuck about you or your views. They get paid more money, are in stable jobs and ride around in a nee-naw car. They are cotent in the fact they don't need to sit in a tent for 6 days being a whiney dirty bitch.

Why would they possibly want to supress this protest? What possible justification in hundreds of cops risking their livelihoods, mortgages and families futures on, unless they wernt acting within the law.

Unless of course you believe all police are working for "the man" which proves my theory on you dolelite wastes again.

Jobs are available in California. Here's over 500 by using a simple google search http://us.tiptopjob....A/region/100109

So I just found hundreds of jobs in seconds and you moan there's none out there because "the man" says you can't smoke weed?

You're arguments are getting sillier and sillier.

Edit: just to counter-argue you're bitch fit about living in a police state. You're a cunt. Seriously, you take your rights and freedoms to the limit, the push the authorities and then moan.

Here's a real police state
http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-12791738

Look, you'd be killed with a bullet between the eyes before you had a chance to moan "no jobs" and we'd laugh. Because your existence is being demeaned by your worthless actions and points.

A Police state is East Germany, the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, north Korea, Cambodia, Zimbabwe, Uganda, south Africa and so forth.

A country is not a police state because you fucking hippies break the law and get ass-fucked because of it.

Honestly, shut up about the jobs, I live in California and just because there are jobs doesnt mean that you can get one.

Its not like democratic freedoms have been taken to the limit before, the police who did do w/e that did happen in the video is stupid.

But yes, its not a police state. But bitches be blaming the government and the police since the beginning of time, as obviously its not their fault or anything. /sarcasm

Oh noeszfsf~! One person hurtew#@$ wtf!~~$@ fak da police$#^# DEY TRY 2 KILL EVRRY1~@!

SO WHAT IF FAMILIES HAVE TO LIVE ON THE STREET.
If you arent on the streets, be glad and keep working hard.
If you are on the streets, too bad, suck it up and work your ass.

Edited by coolaznmagekid342, 26 October 2011 - 11:18 PM.

[Abradix]

ignore key arguments in conflicting views.

Check it out guys!

Spoiler

I'm projecting!

You were crushed in every point (might be a little strong to actually call them points) that you tried to make... So what do you do? Back to the one-dimensional insults and personal attacks. Police officer fits you to a T, but I think you'd also make a killing in politics. I don't believe everyone is against me, I do believe there is an unfair disparity of power between the rich and the poor... I'd continue arguing the point but I'm starting to think you really are too much of a mental midget to grasp the concept.

Edited by Abradix, 27 October 2011 - 04:28 AM.

[Frizzle]

You've actually ignored 5/6 key points but continue your blissful ignorance. I'll be in the warm earning money whilst you're sitting in a filthy tent somewhere.

[Abradix]

You've actually ignored 5/6 key points but continue your blissful ignorance. I'll be in the warm earning money whilst you're sitting in a filthy tent somewhere.

I think its cute that you still actually think you're making any valid points. Perhaps you could try it without including the opprobrious rhetoric you seem so fond of?

I won't get my hopes up though.


Edit: Also thought it was just adorable that you think I'm sitting in a tent with a thesaurus to try and impress you... Perhaps my vocabulary just dwarfs yours? I thought your people invented this language... Quite a shame that you have yet to get a firm hold on it. Meanwhile I'm also proficient in Japanese and starting to learn Farsi. Is it because I don't have a job, and have the time? Or is it the fact that I pursue intellect while you're happy exactly where you are (which is really nowhere)? Continue to flaunt your job, it serves no purpose except prove to me that its really all you have.

Edited by Abradix, 27 October 2011 - 07:24 AM.

[Frizzle]

Good google search brah.

In fact, have we got any proof that you've attended these protests or are you just peacocking?

(btw still not addressed those points yet)

[Abradix]

Lol I like how you don't even know your own laws and are assuming any protest broke up by police is brutality and an infringement of your human rights.

See post #52

Let's face it, police do not give a fuck about you or your views. They get paid more money, are in stable jobs and ride around in a nee-naw car. They are cotent in the fact they don't need to sit in a tent for 6 days being a whiney dirty bitch.

See post #52

Why would they possibly want to supress this protest? What possible justification in hundreds of cops risking their livelihoods, mortgages and families futures on, unless they wernt acting within the law.

The protest is being supressed because of the previously stated unequal division of power between the rich and the poor. The people who have the power aren't going to willingly give it up, even though we were born with every right to an equal say. Its the same reason the media continues to peg protesters as druggies and nazis, socialists and anarchists, terrorists and usurpers... Completely conflicting ideas, but the more slander the better. You're doing a fine job of helping them on that front. They might have been acting within the law, but they're trampling the Constitution... Which surpasses ANY state or federal law.

Unless of course you believe all police are working for "the man" which proves my theory on you dolelite wastes again.

I'd like to hear the list of reasons you think the police aren't working for "the man". Did you hear about Merrill Lynch's multi-million dollar "donation" to the NYPD after the start of the OWS protests? Was that out of the goodness of their hearts? Lets break down the cycle. Who writes the checks? The government. Who enables the government's exorbitant spending by printing unbacked dollars (thereby deflating EVERYONE'S dollar)? The Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve is a privately owned central bank which provides fiat money... This is one of the planks of communism. Once upon a time dollars were actual bank notes which could be exchanged for gold... Now all we have is a giant papery illusion. Anyways, continuing... Who owns the Federal Reserve? Its shareholders are all private bankers. Who provides most of the money the private banks use for their cumulative interest scams? Corporations... Seems like we've covered all the players... But wait, who is left out of the loop? Oh yea, the common man...

Jobs are available in California. Here's over 500 by using a simple google search http://us.tiptopjob....A/region/100109
So I just found hundreds of jobs in seconds and you moan there's none out there because "the man" says you can't smoke weed?
You're arguments are getting sillier and sillier.

Had a hearty chuckle... Post #52

Edit: just to counter-argue you're bitch fit about living in a police state. You're a cunt. Seriously, you take your rights and freedoms to the limit, the push the authorities and then moan.

Here's a real police state
http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-12791738

Look, you'd be killed with a bullet between the eyes before you had a chance to moan "no jobs" and we'd laugh. Because your existence is being demeaned by your worthless actions and points.
A Police state is East Germany, the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, north Korea, Cambodia, Zimbabwe, Uganda, south Africa and so forth. A country is not a police state because you fucking hippies break the law and get ass-fucked because of it.

Also, post #52.

Edit:
So I missed how many points out of how many? 5/6? Looks closer to 1/5... Since calling us wastes and stating that the police don't work for "the man" hardly qualifies as a point. Hyperbole seems to me to be your only chance at victory. And here's why... You're on the wrong side.

Good google search brah.

In fact, have we got any proof that you've attended these protests or are you just peacocking?

(btw still not addressed those points yet)

I can't prove I'm not using Google... Believe whatever you need to believe to preserve your fragile ego. You're a paragon of pathos. Peacocking? (Edit: I like the alliteration there ) So you admit that being part of a social revolution is something to be proud of? Looks like we might actually be making progress... Even if nailing the point into your head is about the equivalent of driving a stake through the core of the Earth...

Edited by Abradix, 27 October 2011 - 08:53 AM.

[WharfRat]

So... I haven't had the time/energy to really throw my opinions into this mess... But I suppose I'll throw in a bit.

I don't think that we, the american people, are oppressed. I don't think this is some fascist regime that is out to fuck over every common man in the country. I do think that the police in Oakland went across the line, as usually happens when protests turn closer to riots.

I don't have a problem with the general concept of the OWS "movement." I agree that there is a huge disparity between the classes in this country and that can be problematic when you realize that money buys power. However, I also do not begrudge those who are wealthy. I do not demand that all wealthy people give back all of their money to be distributed evenly. I believe in making incentives for innovation, genius, and hard work. To this extent, I believe in capitalism. Is capitalism prone to corruption and this disparity as time progresses? Yes. However, what would be a better model? State-run capitalism seems to be working well for China, but then you're really looking at civil rights issues...

So I will agree that the gap between the mega wealthy and the impoverished is huge and very problematic. I don't think that the OWS movement has a great deal of momentum as it isn't structured well and they aren't garnering the respect that is necessary for any "revolution" to be successful. A movement is fine, but let's make the movement centered around some core idea or principle.... Let's take that idea and create a plan of action, a real action plan that will hold water. Let's take that plan and get signatures... hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions... however many we can gather. Let's take that logically created and well thought out plan and then march on the capitol and demand the passage of the bill. THAT's the American way. That's the way we make real, lasting change in this country. The protests/riots are simply building up the government machine.

So let's take the issue and make some real reform... Let's pool our collective minds and our collective passion to create something beautiful and not to destroy something that we feel is corrupt. Destruction begets destruction.... A society with equal wealth distribution would be wonderful, but at the cost of our society feeling that force and destruction are the keys to the gates to all that you desire, the price is simply too high to afford.


Basically, this is how I feel about the OWS movement; The 99% of the people are waking up and realizing that in a true democracy, (which this country isn't for this very reason...) Mob Rules. The problem I have with the OWS movement is simply in the approach. If you are pissed off and you want to take control back from that 1%, go out and fucking vote. Go out and get involved in politics... or, as most often quoted by Mahatma Gandhi, "Be the change you want to see in the world."

(Or as i prefer; "If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. ... We need not wait to see what others do.")


p.s. My brain is super scattered today. I hope my brief opinion was logical in description.

[luvsmyncis]

Luckily, Macy's is hiring for the holidays. Hurry hurry!

[Cript]

I saw a humorous poll about this the other day. 60% of parents wanted their kids to be Wall Street Execs. 26% wanted them to be OWS protesters. Yes, 26% of parents would rather have their children be protesters than working, financially well-off individuals.

[Joanna]

Im trying to read these posts and all I can see is debate about who can and cant get a job. I thought the protest was about the 1% who fucked our economy over (well they cant be full to blame- but its about how they used bailout money to pay for big bonuses and other stuff)?
Not about jobless liberals who don't want to work for their money?

I saw this on image on facebook... and this pretty much sums up in better words my understanding of the protest.

Edited by Joanna, 29 October 2011 - 06:07 PM.

[leurz]

Just got to this thread and I agree with Joanna. The OWS movement isn't about the wealth discrepancy per se, but more about how corporate interests lobby the government and fund their campaigns, so they, in turn, will make and enforce legislation that is in the benefits of corporate interests, and not those of the vast majority of actual human beings.



According to Maddox, "Being an engineer, teacher or airline pilot is hard. Being a logger, deepsea fisher, coal miner or firefighter is hard and dangerous." I would posit that being born into wealth or being a stock-market-shuffler is neither hard nor dangerous, and in addition, provides nothing tangibly useful to anyone. Just because somebody was born on easymode does not mean they work harder or are more useful to society than anybody else.


I would also disagree with Cody, in that I believe that the exact strength of the OWS movement is their lack of a plan. If OWS came up with any plan, any at all, the next round of politicians (funded by Nacho Cheese Doritos) would promise that exact thing, and not deliver once elections rolled around. Republican vs. Democrat isn't good enough anymore.

[WharfRat]

Just got to this thread and I agree with Joanna. The OWS movement isn't about the wealth discrepancy per se, but more about how corporate interests lobby the government and fund their campaigns, so they, in turn, will make and enforce legislation that is in the benefits of corporate interests, and not those of the vast majority of actual human beings.



According to Maddox, "Being an engineer, teacher or airline pilot is hard. Being a logger, deepsea fisher, coal miner or firefighter is hard and dangerous." I would posit that being born into wealth or being a stock-market-shuffler is neither hard nor dangerous, and in addition, provides nothing tangibly useful to anyone. Just because somebody was born on easymode does not mean they work harder or are more useful to society than anybody else.


I would also disagree with Cody, in that I believe that the exact strength of the OWS movement is their lack of a plan. If OWS came up with any plan, any at all, the next round of politicians (funded by Nacho Cheese Doritos) would promise that exact thing, and not deliver once elections rolled around. Republican vs. Democrat isn't good enough anymore.

Republicans vs. democrats has never been good enough. They are essentially the same party but put on a big show to make themselves appear further apart... It's nothing but smoke and mirrors. My point is that disorder and destruction will lead to a society in crumbles. I'm all about making reforms and about righting things that aren't just. I believe that it should be done in a manner that promotes civic duty and not civil unrest. It's not the movement I disagree with, but rather, the approach of the movement.

[Cript]

You've actually ignored 5/6 key points but continue your blissful ignorance. I'll be in the warm earning money whilst you're sitting in a filthy tent somewhere.

Miss you!

[kittycat]

I thought Americans worked the longest hours in the world out of democratic first world countries =P

[WharfRat]

"There can't be any large-scale revolution until there's a personal revolution, on an individual level. It's got to happen inside first."
Jim Morrison

[ToxicS]

Won't make a difference, online petitions never do.

http://news.change.org/stories/score-one-for-a-customer-rebellion/?alert_id=AKzGhdjypX_SNIVJaMfEz&utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email

This says otherwise.

[Abradix]

The problem is that Democracy is a scam. America was founded as a Constitutional Republic, with SOME Democratic principles. 51% shouldn't be able to control the other 49%. There are rights that you are born with that, 99% of the country could never take away from you. We shouldn't be forced to give up our 4th Amendment every time we want to fly on a plane. We restrict people from their 2nd Amendment all the time because their name is on a list somewhere. The 16th Amendment is unratified and the federal income tax is a complete scam... Its organized crime, and its infiltrated everything. How many people even know all the Amendments? We are not an informed citizenship as a whole... Otherwise it wouldn't have gone this far.

[WharfRat]

The problem is that Democracy is a scam. America was founded as a Constitutional Republic, with SOME Democratic principles. 51% shouldn't be able to control the other 49%. There are rights that you are born with that, 99% of the country could never take away from you. We shouldn't be forced to give up our 4th Amendment every time we want to fly on a plane. We restrict people from their 2nd Amendment all the time because their name is on a list somewhere. The 16th Amendment is unratified and the federal income tax is a complete scam... Its organized crime, and its infiltrated everything. How many people even know all the Amendments? We are not an informed citizenship as a whole... Otherwise it wouldn't have gone this far.

This illustrates the problem with a democracy and with the mob rule mentality of those 99%.

[Abradix]

This illustrates the problem with a democracy and with the mob rule mentality of those 99%.

Well, some people down here have a hell of a brain on 'em... I'm helping a chick named Teresa keep the food tent up to code since Occupy LA has evolved, and the police leave us alone now. They understand and agree with what we're trying to accomplish... We now have to deal with a stream of health inspectors and CDC inspectors... Bureaucratic warfare I guess you'd call it. So her and I pour through these manuals for hours trying to keep everything up to code. LA and NY are the most organized Occupy movements, and regardless of a few morons screaming for anarchy or an end to capitalism, most of the people are intelligent enough to have a vision of free markets and government non-intervention. The only way to really know is to check it out and chat up some of the people... I think the mob might surprise you.

[Falien]

It's hilariously stupid, if you ask me.