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#1 Boggart

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:25 PM

So as some of you know my friend is proposing to his girlfriend of 3 years today! eek! He's 21, as is she. He's a theoretical physicist (student) and she's an occupational therapist (student). People say it's pretty early and young, but hey, YOLO.

So I just wanted to start a little discussion about marriage. What is YOUR opinion about marriage, whether personal or in general. What age do you want to get married? Do you want to get married at all? What about "gay marriage"? Do you support it or do you think that it should simply have a different label with the same rights?

I personally believe that marriage is more symbolic than anything and shouldn't have legal consequences such as extra rights and what not. If I'm with someone all my life and they didn't want to get married, I'd be totally okay with that. I personally don't think a wedding specifically, should be a huge gigantic party amounting to 100k or anything. Dat shit cray. I personally believe that there are about 50 000 things more important than figuring out the gay marriage debacle. Like Barack Obama being Kenyan.

I'M SO FUCKIN' EXCITED FOR THEM THOUGH BECAUSE I"M THE BEST MAN AND WILL PLAN A BACHELOR PARTY AND DO A SPEECH AND OMFG YAY TWO OF MY CLOSEST FRIENDS ARE GETTING MARRIED TO EACH OTHER!

Also why is Codex so dead lately? Like come on ya hoes.

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    Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:34 PM

    I, personally, believe 21 is far too young to get married.

    I don't believe in marriage exactly. The religious claim they basically "invented" it, even though it pre-dates modern religion.
    I believe Marriage, in the religious sense, and Government recognition of relationships for legal / tax purposes should be completely separate.
    The religious ceremony should have no legal bearings at all. It should be a religious ceremony and nothing more. If a couple want government recognition of that relationship, they should have to apply for a license separately. There's no need for religion to be in government and vice versa.

    To me "Same rights, different label" seems like a decent compromise but honestly, if we're going to argue that, it creates and entirely different segment of the population to further degrade and marginalize because they don't really have a "marriage", they have *insertnewterm*. Separate is not equal. I've still yet to hear a valid logical argument against same-sex marriage. Only vague generalizations about how it's going to "redefine marriage" (although it's been redefined plenty of times in the past), how it will "destroy the fabric of society", blah blah blah.

    My fiance wants to get married, I'm not too big on it. I'm 27 and still think I'm too young to get married to someone and devote the rest of my life to them.
    We certainly won't have any sort of religious ceremony, as we both basically loathe religion and are atheists.

    #3 Boggart

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    Posted 12 December 2012 - 01:50 PM

    I forgot to add that gays are ruining the sanctity of marriage

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    Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:21 PM

    HAHAHA @ sanctity of marriage. I'm against anything that is "seperate but equal" Just let them be as happy (or miserable) as they please.
    On the age thing:
    I think some people never change and are very set in their ways. Those kind of people can get married at 16 and never stray. My step-mom started dating my dad when she was 15 and they've been together 15 years now. Good for her. I'm too wishy washy to do all that.
    Personally I'm going the Elizabeth Taylor route. 2 marriages down 6 to go.

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    Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:23 PM

    Bitch I got married at the ripe age of 2O.

    Edited by Kate, 12 December 2012 - 02:24 PM.


    #6 brothulhu

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    Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:27 PM


    Edited by brothulhu, 12 December 2012 - 02:28 PM.


    #7 Boggart

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    Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:29 PM

    Bitch I got married at the ripe age of 2O.

    2O? Or 20? :p

    And I'm not saying it's too young. I know my friends and know that they're the type of couple who will be together for a LONG time if not forever. They're like perfect for each other. Certain people their age, should NOT get married.

    My friends are mostly Mennonite and they put a VERY large value on marriage. It literally means "For the rest of your life" not "Until we're not happy" 'cause divorce is a HUGE stigma on the Mennonite community. no sex before marriage, and all that jazz. So this is a huge deal for them and my friendship circle.

    Being raised with this but having my family where almost every married couple being on the brink of divorce or actually being divorce, is weird. I just don't see the "label" of marriage as that important. As long as you two are happy, i think that's all that matters :)

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    Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:28 PM

    I think marriage is a waste of time and resources. I honestly don't see myself staying with one person for the rest of my life.

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    Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:51 PM

    I think marriage is a waste of time and resources. I honestly don't see myself staying with one person for the rest of my life.


    Do you want kids? Serious question.

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    Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:02 PM

    I think all marriage should be illegal because that gives the stupid humans a stupid license to procreate without shame.

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    Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:07 PM

    Do you want kids? Serious question.


    Part of me does, part of me doesn't. I haven't made that decision yet.

    I'll most likely end up adopting if I do decide to have kids because I have 0 desire to be pregnant. Pregnancy disgusts me.

    Edited by Mishelle, 12 December 2012 - 05:08 PM.


    #12 Homer

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    Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:19 PM

    Discussion of marriage on a public forum? So brave ;). Considering 21 is around the age where most people graduate it isn't that young as long as they are stable financially and mentally. Also everyone should be able to marry, it just a sad state of affairs right now. Minorities harassing minorities and immigrants harassing immigrants.

    Anyway, I'm a bit older than your friends and my girlfriend is already hinting at us getting married, but for me its too soon. I have a lot of things I want to get around to before getting it down on paper. Still need to find a place for both of us.

    Edited by Homer, 12 December 2012 - 06:44 PM.


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    Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:16 PM

    Personally, I think marriage has lost its meaning. It's not the same institution it was for our grandparents, or even our parents. I knew people who got married at 18 and ended up separated 3 months later. I guess maybe it's become "hip" to get married at a young age? What happened to dating for a while, or even living with the person to see if you're compatitble before you get married. It's crazy. The divorce rate right now is ridiculous, too. No one wants to work out their issues, they just put an end to it. A marriage should be a life long commitment, not just something you do on a whim and throw out the window when you fancy. That's just my opinion though.

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    Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:53 PM

    Dated my partner for 7 years, married her. Been married now for 5 years (very happily I might add) and now have our second child on the way. To me marriage is as every bit meaningful as it was for my grandparents/parents. (Grandparents married 62 years, parents married 30 years). To me it's not 'just a piece of paper' as it is to everyone else, or so it would seem. I got married when I was 22 (now 27) and we had already lived together for 3 years prior (also built a house together). I guess our relationship is that 'one in a million' these days. We also weren't interested (nor could we afford to) have a big lavish wedding. We just could not justify spending thousands upon thousands of dollars on one single day, when we could make it our own and enjoy it for very little outlay. All in all, I think we spent a maximum of 10K on our wedding (most of which consisted of the honeymoon costs, which, IMO, was much better spent on that, than the ceremony and all that stuff.)

    I agree with Starreh. It saddens me that people go out, get hitched, then say FUCK IT after one little fight and get a divorce (most of the time bitches be taking half and all that shit). It's too easy for people to do it. Also, a lot of people hurry into marriage when they barely even know the person well enough (not lived together at all/long enough, experienced the natural 'lovers' tiffs' and all that).

    I'm not saying me and the missus have had a dream run of it either, but if people are willing to fix things (which is what a good relationship should be able to do) then it makes you just that much stronger together. I can easily see myself happily married to the love of my life (obviously, my current partner) FOR LIFE. I would do anything for her and I know she would do the same for me.

    Marriage isn't for everyone, I get that. But for those who do get into it, do it right the first time, or don't bother at all IMO.

    On the subject of gay marriage, I agree with it wholeheartedly! Why should someone be told they cannot enjoy the same experience that straight couples can, just because they're not heterosexual? You love someone enough, you should be able to take that next step with them, no matter what way you swing. Its appalling the way society these days portrays homosexuals and their wants and needs. They're as human as you or I, why not let them enjoy their lives too?


    Anyway, that's my opinion on the matter, if y'all don't like it, GTFO :p

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    Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:42 PM

    My family is exactly like Bog's, everyone is either married and can't even stand to be in the same room with each other, or they're divorced.

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    Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:11 AM

    Part of me does, part of me doesn't. I haven't made that decision yet.

    I'll most likely end up adopting if I do decide to have kids because I have 0 desire to be pregnant. Pregnancy disgusts me.


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    Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:21 AM

    I'm currently engaged and have been with my fiance for 7 years, lived together for 6. We are getting married in June 2013, I'll be 27 by then and he'll be 28. Marriage isn't something that I've always desired, I was never one of those girls dreaming of her wedding day, but I'm looking forward to it. The planning is driving me absolutely crazy though!! Hoping it'll be a good day.

    I don't think there is a "right" age, it really depends on the couple, their maturity levels and how strong their relationship is. It's sad to see people give up so quickly these days.

    My parents have been married for 27 years, they married at 21 (just after I was born). Neither of their parents marriages survived and most of their siblings are divorced as well. I really look up to my parents and admire that they've been able to keep their marriage together, it is rare these days. The majority of my friends have divorced parents, and I even have a few divorced friends.

    Gay marriage - I think they should have the same rights as heterosexuals. It doesn't need a different name - religion does not 'own' marriage and I couldn't care less if two people of the same sex wanted to get married.

    We have a pretty strong relationship and I can see my marriage surviving "till death to us part" and I really hope it does! Living together has helped - it has allowed us to learn that we are compatible.

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    Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:53 AM

    On the mostly unrelated "women not wanting to be pregnant" note, I completely understand that and say more power to women who know that they don't want to procreate. I think a lot of the problems we have with parents being shitty is because they give in to the pressures of society or their partner to have children (on either side) when they really don't want to. I don't think even a biologist would argue that people who don't want to be pregnant or contribute to procreation should because it's our assumed instinct or responsibility as members of a species or whatever. Some people just don't want to have kids. Those people should not have kids. Pretty simple.

    On the subject, now. I think the problem with marriage is not exactly a problem with marriage, per-se, but a problem with how we view relationships in general. We have all probably fallen victim to Staying Too Long in a relationship in which we were unhappy, out of some stubborn need to prove people wrong or stupidity or foolish notions of love or naivete or whatever it is that caused us to abandon our own happiness and satisfaction to stay with this person whom we should have left much, much sooner (or never devoted ourselves to to begin with). The opposite is also true. One major blowup, one difficult situation, money problems, miscarriage, whatever - and we bolt. Why?

    I think it's a problem with self worth. We don't realize that we OURSELVES are worth it. That our own happiness is important. So we stay in situations that we should not, or leave situations that really do make us happy. To make things easier, to minimize conflict, to make someone else happy. Because, of course, all of these things are more important than doing what makes US happy.

    To address what Gorix said about the separation of church and state - it's already that way. Religious marriage in the US is technically two separate things happening in the same ceremony. The religious ceremony, and the legally binding contract. People who want to be married but want a secular ceremony, or or no ceremony at all, can file the same paperwork and be married just as legitimately as people who participate in a religious ceremony.

    Yes, gay people should be able to get married. As should anyone else who wants to be married, as long as they have the mental faculties to sign the form.

    I support marriage, for people who want to be married. I can't wait to marry Sweeney. And I know, beyond any doubt, that I want to stay with him until I die (because let's be honest, I'm going to die first (the kind of dead where you stay dead, Joe :p)).

    #19 Mishelle

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    Posted 13 December 2012 - 07:59 AM

    Are you human? :o


    Uh, yeah?

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    Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:29 PM

    My friends are mostly Mennonite and they put a VERY large value on marriage. It literally means "For the rest of your life" not "Until we're not happy" 'cause divorce is a HUGE stigma on the Mennonite community. no sex before marriage, and all that jazz. So this is a huge deal for them and my friendship circle.

    (serious question)Do they grow celery gardens before they get married?

    now have our second child on the way

    Yay!

    I've always wanted to be married and have a zillion kids, since I was a little kid. I want to be married to the right person though (which is how I've ended up turning down 4 proposals, in spite of my goals.) Obviously, when I was little, I had it all planned out to be married by 25, kids after, blah blah blah, but really, it's probably better I'm doing it all out of order.

    Gay marriage? I don't care. You can marry pillows and stuff in other places. Gays are people too.

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    Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:40 PM

    (serious question)Do they grow celery gardens before they get married?

    Gay marriage? I don't care. You can marry pillows and stuff in other places. Gays are people too.


    Hah sorry, but "Mennonite community" I mean all the Mennonites, not so much we're secluded like the Amish. So no, they don't do that :p For weddings, I don't really think they have any traditions aside from getting married in a church

    and gays aren't pillows!

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    Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:27 PM

    and gays aren't pillows!


    I meant, people like people. Not pillow-people.

    Edited by Napiform, 13 December 2012 - 11:27 PM.


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    Posted 15 December 2012 - 11:32 AM

    Are you human? :o


    I can't believe you asked this

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    Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:46 PM

    I think all marriage should be illegal because that gives the stupid humans a stupid license to procreate without shame.

    I think all marriage should be illegal because that gives the stupid humans a stupid license to procreate without shame.

    I think all marriage should be illegal because that gives the stupid humans a stupid license to procreate without shame.

    I think all marriage should be illegal because that gives the stupid humans a stupid license to procreate without shame.

    I think all marriage should be illegal because that gives the stupid humans a stupid license to procreate without shame.

    I think all marriage should be illegal because that gives the stupid humans a stupid license to procreate without shame.



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    Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:55 PM

    Marriage is not a license to procreate. In today's world a lot of procreation happens outside of marriage. And a lot of married people never have kids. So yeah, no.


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