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[jinq]

That might be an issue of competence of doctor than the health system though

Free health care=lower budget=less competent doctors

[Boggart]

I had to go to the clinic while I was there last time, and I didn't pay a dime.. as a visitor, lol. I still feel guilty!

 

It's not free.

 

Well, except for dirty aliens like me!

 

I had to go to the clinic while I was there last time, and I didn't pay a dime.. as a visitor, lol. I still feel guilty!

 

It's not free.

 

Well, except for dirty aliens like me!

we get taxed out the wazoo.

 

37% highest income bracket what whaaaat

Free health care=lower budget=less competent doctors

That's a bit of a generalization. The competence of a doctor shouldn't be based on the budget. It might result in poorer care of patients since we don't have adequate facilities or equipment or time. But to say that doctors are less competent is a really big generalization

[Kat]

Free health care=lower budget=less competent doctors

 

It's not free.. You get taxed for it. That's doesn't equal less budget, either.

[Ali]

I had to go to the clinic while I was there last time, and I didn't pay a dime.. as a visitor, lol. I still feel guilty!

 

Yeah, it's fairly extensive what foreign nationals can use the NHS for...and I think more is spent than should be under the rules of what's allowed.

 

It's a godsend though. I think being on here made me realise just how much I love the NHS. Knowing that pretty much no matter what happens to me, I can be treated, is a weight off my mind/finances!

Free health care=lower budget=less competent doctors

It's not free....that money still comes from somewhere. Taxes. And I don't think entire nations with socialised healthcare have less competent doctors.

[luvsmyncis]

Free health care=lower budget=less competent doctors

lol because they are the epitome of genius. I worked in a pharmacy long enough to tell you that doctors and their staff are just as stupid as anyone else. And the same goes for the fuckers in the pharmacy.

[Boggart]

It's not free.. You get taxed for it. That's doesn't equal less budget, either.

Unfortunately in Canada specifically, our budget is extremely tight as it is But that's because people abuse the freaking health system to death

[jinq]

. In a private system, you can see any specialist you want without having to go through a family doctor. Doubt that is true in Canada though.

[Kat]

Yeah, it's fairly extensive what foreign nationals can use the NHS for...and I think more is spent than should be under the rules of what's allowed.

 

It's a godsend though. I think being on here made me realise just how much I love the NHS. Knowing that pretty much no matter what happens to me, I can be treated, is a weight off my mind/finances!

 

Totally agree, couldn't believe I didn't have to pay a thing. I had traveler's insurance as well, so I could have used that for it if needed!

 

Yeah definitely, I don't have any insurance right now, so that's going to be so nice once I'm over there. I don't get sick very often, but if anything major happened to me here I would be screwed..

[luvsmyncis]

. In a private system, you can see any specialist you want without having to go through a family doctor. Doubt that is true in Canada though.

Uh, in the private system, you usually have to get a referral to see a specialist. Have you even been outside?

[Ali]

Totally agree, couldn't believe I didn't have to pay a thing. I had traveler's insurance as well, so I could have used that for it if needed!

 

Yeah definitely, I don't have any insurance right now, so that's going to be so nice once I'm over there. I don't get sick very often, but if anything major happened to me here I would be screwed..

It's just the peace of mind...the second I think something is wrong, I can have it checked and nobody cares. I think I would worry myself to death over every little lump and bump and pain in the US.

[Boggart]

. In a private system, you can see any specialist you want without having to go through a family doctor. Doubt that is true in Canada though.

It really just helps the people who are super sick and can't afford the costs or don't have great insurance.

 

Like most randoms can get cancer treatment even if they don't get a job. Which is good I guess...

[Kat]

It's just the peace of mind...the second I think something is wrong, I can have it checked and nobody cares. I think I would worry myself to death over every little lump and bump and pain in the US.

 

Yep, I live in fear most days

 

It really just helps the people who are super sick and can't afford the costs or don't have great insurance.

 

Like most randoms can get cancer treatment even if they don't get a job. Which is good I guess...

 

So a random unemployed person? What's the alternative? Would it be better to just let that person die of cancer!?   

With the current american healthcare system, that person would either die or go bankrupt..

[jinq]

Yep, I live in fear most days

 

 

So a random unemployed person? What's the alternative? Would it be better to just let that person die of cancer!? 

With the current american healthcare system, that person would either die or go bankrupt..

All comes down to value of life. Do you wanna value all lives equally or are some more valuable than others?

[Boggart]

Yep, I live in fear most days

 

 

So a random unemployed person? What's the alternative? Would it be better to just let that person die of cancer!? 

With the current american healthcare system, that person would either die or go bankrupt..

As awful as it sounds, some people live off welfare and then drink and smoke themselves to almost death with liver/lung cancer. Then they keep going without any rehabilitation. They eventually die after the health care system has spent thousands beyond thousands that could be spent on someone else who would be more beneficial to society.

 

That sounds like a really jaded view, but my province has probably the highest prevalence of substance abuse than almost any other. But don't quote me on that. Either way, it's extremely high.

[Ali]

Yep, I live in fear most days

 

 

So a random unemployed person? What's the alternative? Would it be better to just let that person die of cancer!? 

With the current american healthcare system, that person would either die or go bankrupt..

Sooooooon you will be safe from that fear!

 

Is it really that bad? There's no....emergency system in place for if it's a matter of life or death? That is insane. I really can't imagine living like that...

[Boggart]

Sooooooon you will be safe from that fear!

 

Is it really that bad? There's no....emergency system in place for if it's a matter of life or death? That is insane. I really can't imagine living like that...

I think in the States they have to treat any emergency regardless if they can pay it or not

 

then they slap on the bill afterwards.

[jinq]

As awful as it sounds, some people live off welfare and then drink and smoke themselves to almost death with liver/lung cancer. Then they keep going without any rehabilitation. They eventually die after the health care system has spent thousands beyond thousands that could be spent on someone else who would be more beneficial to society.

 

That sounds like a really jaded view, but my province has probably the highest prevalence of substance abuse than almost any other. But don't quote me on that. Either way, it's extremely high.

Blame it on crack city and its' mayor. Too bad so many residents still support him

[Kat]

All comes down to value of life. Do you wanna value all lives equally or are some more valuable than others?

 

That's a terrible way of thinking. 

 

 

As awful as it sounds, some people live off welfare and then drink and smoke themselves to almost death with liver/lung cancer. Then they keep going without any rehabilitation. They eventually die after the health care system has spent thousands beyond thousands that could be spent on someone else who would be more beneficial to society.

 

That sounds like a really jaded view, but my province has probably the highest prevalence of substance abuse than almost any other. But don't quote me on that. Either way, it's extremely high.

 

Even so. I work in healthcare as well, I've seen these people. They are there, but that doesn't mean others should suffer without healthcare because of them. I'm grateful I'm not jaded.

[Boggart]

Blame it on crack city and its' mayor. Too bad so many residents still support him

I'm not from that province

That's a terrible way of thinking. 

 

 

 

Even so. I work in healthcare as well, I've seen these people. They are there, but that doesn't mean others should suffer without healthcare because of them. I'm grateful I'm not jaded.

Oh I absolutely agree. I honestly wish Canada had a better rehabilitation/prevention system so we wouldn't have all these problems in the first place!

[Kat]

I'm not from that province

Oh I absolutely agree. I honestly wish Canada had a better rehabilitation/prevention system so we wouldn't have all these problems in the first place!

True. America could do with a better system as well. I hope one day that will become available in the future, along with better care for the mentally ill and psychiatric disorders.

[Boggart]

True. America could do with a better system as well. I hope one day that will become available in the future, along with better care for the mentally ill and psychiatric disorders.

Yeah I think we're all attempting to change the system a bit and realizing that prevention is way better than treating the already sick.

 

STUPID ANTI-VACCERS

 

But that's a different story.

[jinq]

That's a terrible way of thinking. 

 

 

 

Even so. I work in healthcare as well, I've seen these people. They are there, but that doesn't mean others should suffer without healthcare because of them. I'm grateful I'm not jaded.

I once saw a video of a substance abuser grounding the third rail (even when everyone else was convincing him not to and trying to pull hime back), sometimes you just can't save these guys.

[Kat]

I once saw a video of a substance abuser grounding the third rail (even when everyone else was convincing him not to and trying to pull hime back), sometimes you just can't save these guys.

 

That doesn't mean they aren't worth trying to save. Plenty of former substance abusers go on to become successful people. Some successful people still are

[Boggart]

That doesn't mean they aren't worth trying to save. Plenty of former substance abusers go on to become successful people. Some successful people still are

yeah, look at SL. major coke head.

However I realize that sometimes people are beyond help. Because they don't necessarily want "help"

[Kat]

yeah, look at SL. major coke head.

However I realize that sometimes people are beyond help. Because they don't necessarily want "help"

 

Yes, but healthcare is voluntary? They can refuse. If they're cognitive enough to make that decision, I guess.