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[Boggart]

Yes, but healthcare is voluntary? They can refuse. If they're cognitive enough to make that decision, I guess.

Truuueee. Ughh this entire discussion is just triggering me spending hours debating this stuff for the medicine interview. IT was both fun and grating.

[jinq]

I'm not from that province

Oh I absolutely agree. I honestly wish Canada had a better rehabilitation/prevention system so we wouldn't have all these problems in the first place!

Funniest part is that he is conservative, and they don't support that stuff.

[Ali]

I believe in the UK obesity and its related problems now costs the NHS more than smoking, alcohol or drug abuse. The average man on the street is a greater drain on resources than anything, with the problems being some of the most easily prevented (or at least the risks minimised, if not prevented entirely).

 

So I won't worry too much about whether it's right that we pay for all and sundry to have whatever necessary treatment.

[jinq]

I believe in the UK obesity and its related problems now costs the NHS more than smoking, alcohol or drug abuse. The average man on the street is a greater drain on resources than anything, with the problems being some of the most easily prevented (or at least the risks minimised, if not prevented entirely).

 

So I won't worry too much about whether it's right that we pay for all and sundry to have whatever necessary treatment.

Too much time sitting in front of the TV/computer.

 

Sitting is the new smoking.

[Boggart]

I believe in the UK obesity and its related problems now costs the NHS more than smoking, alcohol or drug abuse. The average man on the street is a greater drain on resources than anything, with the problems being some of the most easily prevented (or at least the risks minimised, if not prevented entirely).

 

So I won't worry too much about whether it's right that we pay for all and sundry to have whatever necessary treatment.

Yeah we have a ton in my province too. *sigh* without getting into too much of it, people under treaty (Aboriginals) get 100% everything covered and their welfare is more than you make on minimum wage full-time. Soooooooooo they kinda abuse the health system since they have the most opportunity to abuse. Tied with the genetic disposition of being overweight and/or diabetes, it's just a big mess.

[Kat]

Truuueee. Ughh this entire discussion is just triggering me spending hours debating this stuff for the medicine interview. IT was both fun and grating.

 

Haha, sorry! I do think about this subject a lot (probably too much) because of my profession.

[Boggart]

Haha, sorry! I do think about this subject a lot (probably too much) because of my profession.

Well it'll hopefully be my field in the next few years so it's good to have formed opinions on the matter. But it's also kinda depressing at the same time

[Kat]

Yeah we have a ton in my province too. *sigh* without getting into too much of it, people under treaty (Aboriginals) get 100% everything covered and their welfare is more than you make on minimum wage full-time. Soooooooooo they kinda abuse the health system since they have the most opportunity to abuse. Tied with the genetic disposition of being overweight and/or diabetes, it's just a big mess.

 

I guess that's a side effect of stealing land from people.   Just kidding. Sort of.

I wonder if America has a similar thing for Native Americans.   *googles*

[NapisaurusRex]

No, there's a similar policy in America where most, if not all, doctors will tell you to wait until a certain age. (25 I believe.)
Unless there's a medical reason to do a procedure, no doctor is going to take your organs out willy-nilly.

@Yung, Kat is right. For example, Oklahoma is 2+ kids before 25 OR you have to be 25, but it varies state to state.

[Boggart]

I guess that's a side effect of stealing land from people.   Just kidding. Sort of.

I wonder if America has a similar thing for Native Americans.   *googles*

Why can't Native Americans be like pocahontas and just be awesome and sing and have awesome hair?

[jinq]

Yeah we have a ton in my province too. *sigh* without getting into too much of it, people under treaty (Aboriginals) get 100% everything covered and their welfare is more than you make on minimum wage full-time. Soooooooooo they kinda abuse the health system since they have the most opportunity to abuse. Tied with the genetic disposition of being overweight and/or diabetes, it's just a big mess.

Are they that unfortuneate or just lazy?

[Boggart]

Are they that unfortuneate or just lazy?

soooo many factors. Unfortunate because they all live in areas with awful everything (Education, jobs, health care facilities, you name it) tied to the fact they all get welfare with an EXPONENTIAL increase in welfare per child (aka they have a shit ton of kids) in conjunction with them refusing outside "help" because they're discriminated against, it's all just a hodgepodge of shit

[Kat]

Why can't Native Americans be like pocahontas and just be awesome and sing and have awesome hair?

 

Unfortunately I don't think it's the same here after all, most of the tribes are sovereign, as far as I can tell. No extra government help other than what every other citizen gets.

 

After reading the wiki I feel even worse for Native Americans, modern day included. But's that's suuper off-topic, lol.

[Yung]

Wtf kind of laws are those?

 

Wouldn't a woman know decisively that she doesn't want kids if she's getting her tubes tied? You'd think she'd have given enough thought to it to know for sure that is what she wanted and I don't think age should factor into that provided she's 18+

[Boggart]

Unfortunately I don't think it's the same here after all, most of the tribes are sovereign, as far as I can tell. No extra government help other than what every other citizen gets.

 

After reading the wiki I feel even worse for Native Americans, modern day included. But's that's suuper off-topic, lol.

Yeah I don't think it is. People respect Native Americans in the States I Feel. Natives are your black people. THAT'S SUPER RACIST.

Wtf kind of laws are those?

 

Wouldn't a woman know decisively that she doesn't want kids if she's getting her tubes tied? You'd think she'd have given enough thought to it to know for sure that is what she wanted and I don't think age should factor into that provided she's 18+

and yet you seen 20 something's tattooing the dumbest shit on themselves.

[Yung]

and yet you seen 20 something's tattooing the dumbest shit on themselves.

 

That's true...

 

Now that you mention it my ex-wife wanting to get her tubes tied after we had our daughter but now she's.. *does math* 23 and she just had one and mentioned wanting more. Maybe waiting is a good idea then. I hadn't thought of it that way.

[NapisaurusRex]

Unfortunately I don't think it's the same here after all, most of the tribes are sovereign, as far as I can tell. No extra government help other than what every other citizen gets.

 

After reading the wiki I feel even worse for Native Americans, modern day included. But's that's suuper off-topic, lol.

That might also vary by state. In Oklahoma, they have 100% coverage.

That's true...

 

Now that you mention it my ex-wife wanting to get her tubes tied after we had our daughter but now she's.. *does math* 23 and she just had one and mentioned wanting more. Maybe waiting is a good idea then. I hadn't thought of it that way.

She's a little fucking insane. I don't think she's the best example of the typical woman.

[Boggart]

I think a problem here is that it's patriarchal, we think we know what's best for the patient. Which sometimes we do. But it's kinda their right to choose

 

At the same time, if they come crying back for us to fix it that's just freaking annoying.

[Ali]

and yet you seen 20 something's tattooing the dumbest shit on themselves.

Started permanently scribbling on myself at 18 but can't have this done til I'm 30. Oh the logics. Although tattoos are more easily removed than this is reversed.

[Boggart]

She's a little fucking insane. I don't think she's the best example of the typical woman.

Fucking insane actually seems like the best example of a typical woman.

[NapisaurusRex]

Fucking insane actually seems like the best example of a typical woman.

I changed my mind. If I have to be lumped in with people like her, I'm not a woman.

[Kat]

After a bit of googling, I've found this article that was really informative to read:

 

http://www.slate.com...rilized_.2.html

[Ali]

I changed my mind. If I have to be lumped in with people like her, I'm not a woman.

Maybe you're just not typical?

[NapisaurusRex]

Maybe you're just not typical?

I feel typical.

[Boggart]

I changed my mind. If I have to be lumped in with people like her, I'm not a woman.

HAHA YUNG'S GAY

I have 4 threads to keep updated on. Can you summarize it @Kat? xD