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#1 Cass

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 11:59 PM

I have a little sister aged 12. She's in her last year of primary school. The women in our family are all big-breasted and early developing. My little sis just started developing her breasts and they're already showing.

 

Now, her teacher has forbid her to wear T-shirts - she may only wear sweaters - because the boys are getting excited in class.

 

I don't want to sound like a rageing tumblr feminist, but

 

WHATTHEFUCK? Are you kidding me?? Punishing the girl for growing breasts, rather than teaching boys what's appropriate and whatnot?

I mean, we're talking t-shirts here. She isn't flaunting her breasts (in fact she absolutely hates them, and the teacher aint helping), she isnt showing cleavage or wearing super short mini skirts (which a lot of her friends do). I just cant believe how that teacher would do something like that.

 

I thought I lived in the netherlands, not in saudi arabia :/



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    #2 Fikri

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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 12:08 AM

    that's terrible! even if she wears a sweater, it's not like her breasts gonna look any smaller. :lol2: is the teacher a woman?



    #3 Mishelle

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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 12:10 AM

    I'd go to the administration and complain, it's horrible that she's being made to feel ashamed of her body when those boys should have some self control.



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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 12:13 AM

    That is awful. Your sister needs to know she must WURK it, and the teacher is not helping her realise this.



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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 12:15 AM

    Yeah, she is! At first I thought that was a ridiculous for a woman to do so since she would obviously at some point have had a similiar experience, but then I realized she probably said it because of her own experiences. It's speculation, I know, but I believe she's chosing the easy way out. "Well, it's easier to hide than to teach 12-year old boys some morals". Which is a TERRIBLE thing to do, especially for a teacher. You're not just learning them math and all, you're teaching them how to behave in society.

     

    :unsure:

     

    Yeah, I believe my mom was going to complain about it at the principle (also a woman), but I have a feeling it won't help out much. We've already had some nasty run-ins with that hag of a woman. My sisters (I have another 8 year old sister) were supposed to switch school earlier, but after a lot of consults mom decided they should stay. The youngest has Asperger and really can't handle a lot of change, and the oldest was afraid to lose all her friends and didnt want to leave.



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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 12:16 AM

    Yeah, she is! At first I thought that was a ridiculous for a woman to do so since she would obviously at some point have had a similiar experience, but then I realized she probably said it because of her own experiences. It's speculation, I know, but I believe she's chosing the easy way out. "Well, it's easier to hide than to teach 12-year old boys some morals". Which is a TERRIBLE thing to do, especially for a teacher. You're not just learning them math and all, you're teaching them how to behave in society.

     

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    Yeah, I believe my mom was going to complain about it at the principle (also a woman), but I have a feeling it won't help out much. We've already had some nasty run-ins with that hag of a woman. My sisters (I have another 8 year old sister) were supposed to switch school earlier, but after a lot of consults mom decided they should stay. The youngest has Asperger and really can't handle a lot of change, and the oldest was afraid to lose all her friends and didnt want to leave.

     

    If they don't do anything about it I'd threaten to go to the media because this is some blatant ass sexism right here. 



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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 12:17 AM



    That is awful. Your sister needs to know she must WURK it, and the teacher is not helping her realise this.

    I know right! xD I feel so terrible for her. As an exception I myself was pretty late to the party, developing breasts when I was 16. I've been bullied for years for being flat-chested. I was kind of happy for her she didn't have to deal with that sort of bullshit, then this happens.

     

    Your body will never be right for others  :unsure:



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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 12:34 AM

    (3rd attempt at writing this post. haha getting very frustrated that I keep reseting the page)

     

    This teacher is creating the perfect conditions for your sister to develop real insecurities and hangups about her own body. I would go as far as saying that the teacher even bringing attention to her development or feeling the need to address it with these bullshit rules is COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE and I would be demanding an apology from somebody higher up. I wouldnt bother with the teacher, go straight over her head and you can bet it will be addressed immediately. I spent my entire middle school and highschool years wrapping a hoodie around my waist because some friends early on whispered to me that I had a 'huge butt' ... meanwhile I had to go up and down 200 park stairs and through a ravine to get to and from school every day all those years. I had no clue, and felt real shame and panic without a hoodie wrapped around my waist that whole time. 



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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 12:39 AM

    It's worse than sexism. It is misogyny. This is sickening. A female teacher making a young girl ashamed of her body. Definitely make a big deal about this. It's unacceptable.
    Like another poster said, you should threaten to report it to a news agency. And if they don't address the situation, then DEFINITELY go to a news agency. They deserve to be publicly humiliated.



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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 02:18 AM

    God you lot are fucking ridiculous sometimes. Have you ever spoke to a 12 year old boy? Literally 90% of their thoughts are sex, boobs ancon women. It's hormonal.

    Maybe a teacher is doing her best and suggesting something so that all three parties can learn in peace

    Another reason I'm all for school uniform, letting kids pick out their clothes only leads to issues.

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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 03:02 AM

    Maybe she was worried that in having to talk to the boys about it, it would draw further uncomfortable attention to your sister?

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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 03:05 AM

    The fact that the teacher banned your sister from wearing T-shirts is a pretty over-the-top, absurd reaction in response to something she doesn't have any control over, however, what @ Frizzle said is a pretty accurate depiction of the thought pattern of boys. Though it is valid that something would have to be said, the teacher went about it the wrong way. A quiet mention that it has become a slight issue and a quick hint for resolving it would have been enough, rather than making her aware that her body is an issue to the class and needs to be covered up.


    Edited by Kau, 27 May 2014 - 03:05 AM.


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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 04:44 AM

    I may not be the popular opinion again, but I will say my piece as best as I can. 

     

    It's worse than sexism. It is misogyny. This is sickening. A female teacher making a young girl ashamed of her body. Definitely make a big deal about this. It's unacceptable.
    Like another poster said, you should threaten to report it to a news agency. And if they don't address the situation, then DEFINITELY go to a news agency. They deserve to be publicly humiliated.

    That is a bit extreme. Did a parent speak with a teach or did the sister just retell what was being said? I'm not saying she's not telling the truth, but what you interpret at 12 can sometimes be slightly exaggerated or misunderstood. I don't agree with having to wear a turtleneck, that is a bit unnecessary. You have to understand that this sort of thing is a two way street and the teacher must protect the interest of the entire class. School is a learning environment ultimately. 

    We cannot pretend hormones do not exists. So, its naturally for kids regardless of their gender to notice someone maturing faster than them. Boys will look and girls will look, except boys might act a little different and not understand why at that age. Remember 12 is very young and they're still kids. This might make the sister uncomfortable and more often girls will make comments out of jealousy, which is more often the case. I think the teacher is trying to come up with a compromise, not shame your sister (yes, saying she should wear a turtleneck is a bit much, but I don' think she meant it maliciously or with that intent). They way it should have been dealt with is to ask a parent to come in and have a talk about her changes in a comfortable manner and private setting. Then your mom can better explain that when you go through changes like this, its time to wear big girl clothing and its a part of growing up. 

    When you get older. Your wardrobe goes through a change and there is appropriate attire for every environment. A young lady must learn how to flow with the changes of her body. Things you could wear and get away with when you were younger - may not be age appropriate for when your body changes. She may not have to wear a turtleneck, but a higher-cropped neck would be a better option than a low-cropped tank-top. Its a great time to go shopping and get some new wardrobe. This makes a transitioning young lady feel like she's becoming a woman. When she gets older, she can choose to wear whatever she wants. But for right now, she's a little girl. 

    The same applies for young boys. Saggy pants and super tight pants that show the shape of ones crotch is not appropriate an the same measures should be taken. But, at the end of the day a boy does not have the same growing issues as a female and we just have to accept that as basic human anatomy. 




     



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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 04:52 AM

    I urge you all to remember what we are hearing is essentially hearsay. We don't know the ins and outs of the situation and we never will.

     

    That said, from the surface this does look to be an issue that a school uniform could fix. 



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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:20 AM

    God you lot are fucking ridiculous sometimes. Have you ever spoke to a 12 year old boy? Literally 90% of their thoughts are sex, boobs ancon women. It's hormonal.

    Maybe a teacher is doing her best and suggesting something so that all three parties can learn in peace

    Another reason I'm all for school uniform, letting kids pick out their clothes only leads to issues.

     

    Yes, because obviously instead of telling the boys to get it under control, you're telling a girl to not wear a T-shirt?

    A teacher would be doing her best if she tried to educate the boys, not taking the shortcut of just telling the girl to stop wearing a T-shirt.

    Drawing parallel to an extreme case, if there's a rape case, are you going to tell the victim that he/she should've worn less revealing clothing?

     

     

     

    I may not be the popular opinion again, but I will say my piece as best as I can. 

     

    That is a bit extreme. Did a parent speak with a teach or did the sister just retell what was being said? I'm not saying she's not telling the truth, but what you interpret at 12 can sometimes be slightly exaggerated or misunderstood. I don't agree with having to wear a turtleneck, that is a bit unnecessary. You have to understand that this sort of thing is a two way street and the teacher must protect the interest of the entire class. School is a learning environment ultimately. 

    We cannot pretend hormones do not exists. So, its naturally for kids regardless of their gender to notice someone maturing faster than them. Boys will look and girls will look, except boys might act a little different and not understand why at that age. Remember 12 is very young and they're still kids. This might make the sister uncomfortable and more often girls will make comments out of jealousy, which is more often the case. I think the teacher is trying to come up with a compromise, not shame your sister (yes, saying she should wear a turtleneck is a bit much, but I don' think she meant it maliciously or with that intent). They way it should have been dealt with is to ask a parent to come in and have a talk about her changes in a comfortable manner and private setting. Then your mom can better explain that when you go through changes like this, its time to wear big girl clothing and its a part of growing up. 

    When you get older. Your wardrobe goes through a change and there is appropriate attire for every environment. A young lady must learn how to flow with the changes of her body. Things you could wear and get away with when you were younger - may not be age appropriate for when your body changes. She may not have to wear a turtleneck, but a higher-cropped neck would be a better option than a low-cropped tank-top. Its a great time to go shopping and get some new wardrobe. This makes a transitioning young lady feel like she's becoming a woman. When she gets older, she can choose to wear whatever she wants. But for right now, she's a little girl. 

    The same applies for young boys. Saggy pants and super tight pants that show the shape of ones crotch is not appropriate an the same measures should be taken. But, at the end of the day a boy does not have the same growing issues as a female and we just have to accept that as basic human anatomy.

     

    School is a learning environment, and learning how to control yourself is definitely part of the learning process. I don't think the age of 12 is young; its already 6/7th grade, and most schools require sex-ed/HGD classes in 5th grade, so every kid should know the basics of everything, which will be enforced/expanded on in the upcoming years. If a school wants to ban tank-tops, fine, it can be argued to not be school-appropriate (for both girls and guys though), but a T-shirt is pretty unreasonable

     

    I definitely think a comfortable environment and what you said about talking is needed, but that's because of how society is and it really shouldn't be. Go look at the recent Isla Vista incident. That's what happens when you let stuff like this slide for boys because it makes it okay for males to think that its not their fault, its the victim's fault.


    Edited by Junsu, 27 May 2014 - 05:24 AM.


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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 05:59 AM

    @Junsu, like Dan said previously. We don't know the whole situation, so throwing around the word victim is a bit extreme and premature. 12 is very young and is still a child not matter what spin you put on it. That is why you have child brides at 12, 13 and 14 getting married off to older men (which is horribly wrong). They're children at that age and you can have sex-ed class, but it doesn't prepare a little girl for her period until it happens - because every one has different experiences (same for boys going through sexual maturity). In the truth of the matter, girls are more likely to make fun of girls who develop faster, because they get more attention from the boys (who might not realize it yet, why they're doing that) or they might feel self-conscious about themselves and may not express that in the most appropriate manner. Yes, boys will look regardless of how much sex-ed is taught to them, at that age its called hormones and if you say to me for one second that you never noticed a girl with big breasts or shapely body when you where young or even now as an adult (then you must be a perfect saint - which no one is). Nor is it something to be ashamed of or told its super bad to do. Now to glance is harmless, to sit there drooling is another thing. Any sort of inappropriate behavior should be nipped in the bud at a young age - regardless of gender. 

    A school, just like a workplace has a dress-code. Showing cleavage is not a school appropriate thing and the teacher is allowed to ask a student to cover up to follow with school regulations. We have rule set in place for a reason and it should be respected. Now, t-shirts do come in the v-neck variety and if you're a pretty busty girl it does show cleavage. We don't know if the teacher said turtleneck, she could have have said a high-cut shirt and a young-hormonal girl takes it as...'omg, might as wear a turtle-neck'. Because, we do exaggerate at that age - again its a part of hormones. But, on the other hand its very possible the teacher did in fact say a turtleneck which is just retarded. Does it need to be blasted on the TV and have her publicly shamed? No. 

    What needs to happen is have the teacher and parent both speak with the young lady, like I mentioned before in my previous post and also give an apology to let the student know she didn't mean anything by it and is sorry if it made her uncomfortable. Now, if the school starts to become unreasonable and the teacher defiant or rude - that is cause for firmer action. You shouldn't go from 1-100. The mature thing to do, is talk and apologize. If that fails, then your left with a firmer coarse of action. 

    And, I did say rules should apply to both males and females. Not just girls and when I went to school (many, many years ago), males could not wear tank-tops, that is what you wore under your clothing and wasn't really school appropriate. Since guys would wear them form fitting or basically hanging off their body, so naturally it wasn't allowed and girls could wear a tank-top if it wasn't low-cut and a shawl or covering was worn over it (which was allowed to be left open) 

    Do not compare this to a mass-murder, its pretty belittling. Its like comparing the rape of 2 year old in India to the portrayal of women in video-games. Yes, both of them are wrong - but two VERY different subjects. That guy was just a piece of shit that needed someone to blame for his own shortcomings. 

     


    Edited by DasBear, 27 May 2014 - 06:08 AM.


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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 06:10 AM

    Another reason I'm all for school uniform, letting kids pick out their clothes only leads to issues.


    Pretty much.

    My mom pulled me out of school for (among other things) constantly being written up for dresscode violations in the 8th grade. I thought people looked like fucking dipshits with their shirts tucked in, and I wasn't going to do it. This is how my world works. Either deal with stupid bullshit you hate or get the fuck outta there.

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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 06:14 AM

    Wow, that's really stupid. e___e I don't get how sweaters are even better than t-shirts?? Like how can you punish a kid for going through puberty? It happens.  The teacher shouldn't be paying that much attention to a little girl's boobs anyway are you SERIOUS



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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 06:16 AM

    I urge you all to remember what we are hearing is essentially hearsay. We don't know the ins and outs of the situation and we never will.

    This is how I felt about Cronus's thread about swastikas. I was picturing a blonde-haired, blue-eyed bald 20-something selling them, but it might have been a 60 year old Indian. I don't know what really happens anywhere.

    I don't get how sweaters are even better than t-shirts??

    Back in my middle school years, sweaters gave you even BETTER boobs than tshirts.

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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 06:49 AM

    @cassiopeiic, I felt like I should say. Please don't take me as insensitive, I don't mean to be and I know this is your sister and not some female student. I'm in no way trying to downplay your feelings of anger. I just try to be the rational or level headed with my response. I'm just using the situation and bringing to light some things we may not be taking into account. I really do hope things get resolved and your sister gets an apology regardless. You sound like a great big sister. =) 



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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 08:01 AM

    Just a quick mention since I don't have time to reply to all in-depth (but will tonight), sex-ed is pretty shitty and non-existent here in our primary school. Although I'd had 'the talk' when my sis was born at age 8 with my mom, many others don't; we only got sex-ed in 3rd year of high school. You're 15-16 years old then.

     

    @DasBear no hard feelings at all, it's a debatable topic =) agree to disagree



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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 08:12 AM

    @cassiopeiic, thank you for understanding. I never want to make you feel like I don't take your feelings seriously or offend you. =)



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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 09:21 AM

    This is how I felt about Cronus's thread about swastikas. I was picturing a blonde-haired, blue-eyed bald 20-something selling them, but it might have been a 60 year old Indian. I don't know what really happens anywhere.
    Back in my middle school years, sweaters gave you even BETTER boobs than tshirts.


    First of all, lol @ 60 year old NDN.
    Secondly, when I was in middle school, heavily padded bras gave you better boobs than sweaters.

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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 09:36 AM

    If sex-ed is as nonexistant at that age is you say, this honestly sounds more like a problem with education than anything else. That being said, challenging your national education standards is probably not the best way to handle this and likely won't get you far. I'm going to have to side with a few people here and say that a conference between your sister, your mother, and the teacher (and perhaps even the principal, despite the negative experiences you've had in the past) is the most appropriate course of action. It may also be helpful to have the talk with your sister before this with special attention given to how others react to early bloomers. Give her some time to figure out what she feels is right and wrong in that situation. What you and/or your mother want out of that conference may be entirely different than what she wants, and she's the one who will wind up facing the consequences of this ordeal, not you. She might not get what she wants, but it's important at that age to feel like at the very least her opinions were heard and taken into consideration.



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    Posted 27 May 2014 - 10:26 AM

    My brother is 13 and if I tell him to sit down and stop acting like a twit he sits down and stops acting like a twit. They're in middle school, not pre-school. 




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