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[ShadowLink64]

Ce soir, je pense aux personnes en France qui sont morts ou sont blessés. Absolutely horrible and senseless.

 

The goal of terrorism is to instill fear and chaos. France will eventually recover with the entire world's support and those responsible for this tragedy will have failed at achieving that goal. It is still a country I would love to visit someday.

[Cannabis]

Truly horrifying I believe Paris is just the start. However through this tragedy the world can unite, the US and Russia have already agreed to join together to finally stop ISIS. It needs to happen.

[iKate]

I'm shocked. My thoughts go out to everyone in Paris and everyone affected by this.

Never thought something like this would happen close to where I live. My neighbours moved to Paris not so long ago, I hope they're okay.

[Frizzle]

Every life lost is another bloodstain on the American administration.

[Liesa]

It's so scary to read this stuff when you live so close to it   And media is yet again moaning it's the islam. When will they realize that those extremists hijack a religion like that. I live with muslims, I work with them and go to school with them. They won't hurt a fly. 

[Frizzle]

It's so scary to read this stuff when you live so close to it And media is yet again moaning it's the islam. When will they realize that those extremists hijack a religion like that. I live with muslims, I work with them and go to school with them. They won't hurt a fly.

Bollocks, I'm fed up with hearing this argument. This no true Scotsman fallacy.

The vast majority of Muslims aren't terrorists, but the vast majority of Muslims in non-western countries support terrorist actions, sharia law and other various combinations of abhorrent views

http://www.pewforum....ciety-overview/

[Ali]

Awful day here. Police and military everywhere. It feels so odd. We went for a wander for brunch but it feels like there are dementors everywhere or something, the whole city has an atmosphere to it.

[Adam]

ISIS has now claimed responsibility for the attacks.

 

Paris attacks were 'act of war by IS'

The Paris shootings and bombings that killed at least 128 people were an "act of war" by the Islamic State, says France's president as the group claims the attacks.

7 minutes ago

Just as I figured -- I'm very curious to see what's going to happen next. War isn't won by hugging trees, and trying to befriend the enemy, let's hope that is realized now.

[Frizzle]

So...continued military bombing and feet on the ground?

I mean that worked in the 1200s, 1400s, 1600s, 1800s, 1900s, 1940s, 1960s, 1980s, 1990s and the 2000s.


Might work this time though.

[Adam]

So...continued military bombing and feet on the ground?

I mean that worked in the 1200s, 1400s, 1600s, 1800s, 1900s, 1940s, 1960s, 1980s, 1990s and the 2000s.


Might work this time though.

So what's your solution then?

[KaibaSama]

So...continued military bombing and feet on the ground?

I mean that worked in the 1200s, 1400s, 1600s, 1800s, 1900s, 1940s, 1960s, 1980s, 1990s and the 2000s.


Might work this time though.

I seem to remember reading something on Apple's news app that called Syria America's new Vietnam. (I know that has nothing to do with France, but it sort of has something to do with your post). 

 

Just sitting there watching the live news hearing the death count rise...Ugh. This will be one of the times that France refuses to surrender. They won't, they can't. (I'm sorry, I know that may have been in bad taste but I wanted to make a joke about how people always joke about France surrendering). 

 

I honestly love how Obama referred to the fact that France is the US's oldest ally in his address about the attacks. Louis XVI sent aid (such as food and supplies), money, and military aid, to the colonists during the Revolutionary War. Of course, he spent so much money helping us that he sort of bankrupted France and caused one of France's revolutions, but still. France was there for us from the beginning, and we are here for France. 

[Frizzle]

So what's your solution then?

Not continuing a failure of repetition.

I honestly love how Obama referred to the fact that France is the US's oldest ally in his address about the attacks. Louis XVI sent aid (such as food and supplies), money, and military aid, to the colonists during the Revolutionary War. Of course, he spent so much money helping us that he sort of bankrupted France and caused one of France's revolutions, but still. France was there for us from the beginning, and we are here for France.

Only to spite the British and ironically an act of terrorism. It's funny how the winners write history

I honestly love how Obama referred to the fact that France is the US's oldest ally in his address about the attacks. Louis XVI sent aid (such as food and supplies), money, and military aid, to the colonists during the Revolutionary War. Of course, he spent so much money helping us that he sort of bankrupted France and caused one of France's revolutions, but still. France was there for us from the beginning, and we are here for France.

Only to spite the British and ironically an act of terrorism. It's funny how the winners write history

[Adam]

Not continuing a failure of repetition.

Okay then. What ideas do you have? I'm genuinely curious, because all I see you doing is criticizing an obviously failing tactic without providing any helpful solution. 

[KaibaSama]

Not continuing a failure of repetition.

Only to spite the British and ironically an act of terrorism. It's funny how the winners write history

Only to spite the British and ironically an act of terrorism. It's funny how the winners write history

It may be true that he wanted to spite the British, as Britain and France have never really liked each other too much, but it doesn't mean we can't be grateful for the help he gave us. Without it we could still be swearing allegiance to Britain and saying things like "Rubbish" and "Jumper" instead of "garbage" and "sweater". 

[Frizzle]

Okay then. What ideas do you have? I'm genuinely curious, because all I see you doing is criticizing an obviously failing tactic without providing any helpful solution.

Solution to what?

[Adam]

Solution to what?

To ending terrorism, and preventing further attacks similar to what happened in Paris last night.

[Emily]

You can't end terrorism. 

[Adam]

You can't end terrorism. 

That may be true, but posting arbitrary bullshit, and spreading hatred towards American's (and allied nations) also doesn't help anything. People are so quick to criticize the tactics used by coalition forces to fight the enemy, but have no ideas on how to diffuse the issue. Standing idly by as terrorism spreads isn't going to work, and some believe bombs/boots on the ground isn't working -- so what then? What's the next step?

[MozzarellaSticks]

I seem to remember reading something on Apple's news app that called Syria America's new Vietnam. (I know that has nothing to do with France, but it sort of has something to do with your post).

Just sitting there watching the live news hearing the death count rise...Ugh. This will be one of the times that France refuses to surrender. They won't, they can't. (I'm sorry, I know that may have been in bad taste but I wanted to make a joke about how people always joke about France surrendering).

I honestly love how Obama referred to the fact that France is the US's oldest ally in his address about the attacks. Louis XVI sent aid (such as food and supplies), money, and military aid, to the colonists during the Revolutionary War. Of course, he spent so much money helping us that he sort of bankrupted France and caused one of France's revolutions, but still. France was there for us from the beginning, and we are here for France.

How can Syria be the new Vietnam if America isn't there?

You can't end terrorism.

Honestly, the best thing we could do is rebuild the Middle East. But that itself is hard, and involves fighting the rebel groups there.

[Adam]

How can Syria be the new Vietnam if America isn't there?

I'm guessing you don't read or watch the news.

[Waser Lave]

That may be true, but posting arbitrary bullshit, and spreading hatred towards American's (and allied nations) also doesn't help anything. People are so quick to criticize the tactics used by coalition forces to fight the enemy, but have no ideas on how to diffuse the issue. Standing idly by as terrorism spreads isn't going to work, and some believe bombs/boots on the ground isn't working -- so what then? What's the next step?

 

The way I see it is that as long as they're so attached to violence we have no alternative but war. If ISIS legitimately wanted to establish a state based upon the non-violent elements of their ideology they probably would be able to do it (western countries wouldn't be happy but they'd probably allow it given the alternative) but their 'ideology' is more focused on violence against people who don't share their beliefs than it is creating their 'caliphate'. The Taliban were in control of Afghanistan for 5 years without western countries doing much about it despite their human rights abuses until they decided to actively support violence abroad. I doubt this will be the last event of this kind in Europe given that we've got hundreds of thousands of people from the Middle East and North Africa wandering around unchecked, there's bound to be some bad apples in there somewhere.

 

Personally I think we should put aside the Assad issue temporarily and provide support to the Syrian government until ISIS is dealt with so we can combine western advanced weaponry with Syrian manpower on the ground. After that is done we can look at achieving regime change via diplomacy instead of sanctions.

[KaibaSama]

How can Syria be the new Vietnam if America isn't there?
Honestly, the best thing we could do is rebuild the Middle East. But that itself is hard, and involves fighting the rebel groups there.

 

I'm guessing you don't read or watch the news.

Since I'm going to go of off what @Adam said about you not reading or watching the news: 

 

 

The US sent troops to Syria in October. 

http://www.cnn.com/2...rations-forces/

http://www.nytimes.c...amic-state.html

http://www.bbc.com/n...canada-34681648

 

We've been bombing them for a while now as well.

http://www.latimes.c...0803-story.html

http://www.cnn.com/2...ikes-explainer/

https://www.washingt...cc10_story.html

http://www.nytimes.c...airstrikes.html

 

We've been in Syria for a while now. 

[MozzarellaSticks]

I'm guessing you don't read or watch the news.

America is hardly present in Syria. A handful of troops isn't Vietnam. It could potentially be, and soldiers have warned that Iraq and Afghanistan are very similar, but you can't say we're there when we barely are.

Edited by mermaiden, 14 November 2015 - 10:23 AM.

[Emily]

Going to a gathering in Trafalgar Square with a friend for a vigil. Such a sad day.

[KaibaSama]

America is hardly present in Syria. A handful of troops isn't Vietnam. It could potentially be, and soldiers have warned that Iraq and Afghanistan are very similar, but you can't say we're there when we barely are.

I'll link the article here so everyone if they so choose can read it. All I said was the article called it a new vietnam, I never said that the article actually said it WAS a new Vietnam. Just that the article called it that, all it was doing was naming something, not declaring it was or was not this. 

http://www.cnn.com/2...-syria-vietnam/