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Massive Attack going on in Paris - Possible large scale terror attack


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#51 Adam

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 10:40 AM

The way I see it is that as long as they're so attached to violence we have no alternative but war. If ISIS legitimately wanted to establish a state based upon the non-violent elements of their ideology they probably would be able to do it (western countries wouldn't be happy but they'd probably allow it given the alternative) but their 'ideology' is more focused on violence against people who don't share their beliefs than it is creating their 'caliphate'. The Taliban were in control of Afghanistan for 5 years without western countries doing much about it despite their human rights abuses until they decided to actively support violence abroad. I doubt this will be the last event of this kind in Europe given that we've got hundreds of thousands of people from the Middle East and North Africa wandering around unchecked, there's bound to be some bad apples in there somewhere.

 

Personally I think we should put aside the Assad issue temporarily and provide support to the Syrian government until ISIS is dealt with so we can combine western advanced weaponry with Syrian manpower on the ground. After that is done we can look at achieving regime change via diplomacy instead of sanctions.

This is exactly how I feel, but I'm never able to put it so eloquently, thank you. It's really nice to read an opinion in this topic, and not just some shitty arbitrary opinion fueled by delusional hatred.



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    #52 MozzarellaSticks

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    Posted 14 November 2015 - 10:48 AM

    I'll link the article here so everyone if they so choose can read it. All I said was the article called it a new vietnam, I never said that the article actually said it WAS a new Vietnam. Just that the article called it that, all it was doing was naming something, not declaring it was or was not this.
    http://www.cnn.com/2...-syria-vietnam/

    Yeah, I'm addressing CNN's tendency to jump the gun and declare things early on. Obama has often stated and shown his reluctance to war. He's been very against large scale operations and wants to focus on small groups and dismantling them.

    Anyway, we don't know for sure if this is ISIS right now. Sure, they claimed it is, but there are other terrorist groups. It's a bit early to try and place blame. We should wait for some investigation and information to come forward from Paris.

    Edited by mermaiden, 14 November 2015 - 10:49 AM.


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    Posted 14 November 2015 - 11:06 AM

    Anyway, we don't know for sure if this is ISIS right now. Sure, they claimed it is, but there are other terrorist groups. It's a bit early to try and place blame. We should wait for some investigation and information to come forward from Paris.

    http://www.jpost.com...-attacks-433023

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q...or paris attack

     

    ISIS CLAIMED the attack. What do you mean it's "too early to place blame"?



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    Posted 14 November 2015 - 11:20 AM

    http://www.jpost.com...-attacks-433023

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q...or paris attack

     

    ISIS CLAIMED the attack. What do you mean it's "too early to place blame"?

    To be fair, terrorist groups have been known to falsely claim attacks in the past.



    #55 Frizzle

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    Posted 14 November 2015 - 11:42 AM

    That may be true, but posting arbitrary bullshit, and spreading hatred towards American's (and allied nations) also doesn't help anything. People are so quick to criticize the tactics used by coalition forces to fight the enemy, but have no ideas on how to diffuse the issue. Standing idly by as terrorism spreads isn't going to work, and some believe bombs/boots on the ground isn't working -- so what then? What's the next step?


    Who's spreading hatred to Americans?

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    Posted 14 November 2015 - 12:31 PM

    Went to pick up bits for dinner and the streets were near deserted, so eerie.

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    Posted 14 November 2015 - 02:04 PM

    Someone from my university died. She was studying abroad.

     

    RIP Noemi Gonzalez. :/



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    Posted 14 November 2015 - 04:11 PM

    http://www.jpost.com...-attacks-433023
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q...or paris attack

    ISIS CLAIMED the attack. What do you mean it's "too early to place blame"?

    Because ISIS would want to claim it.

    #59 Blanc

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    Posted 14 November 2015 - 04:48 PM

    You can't end terrorism. 

     

    That's true. But we can dream about an world without Terrorism. :unsure:



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    Posted 14 November 2015 - 05:51 PM

    Guys, you know what's funny? Nobody gave a crap when this happened in Kenya. But, hey!, we do care about the French pals first world countries.

     

    http://edition.cnn.c...versity-attack/

     

    Oh, the hypocrisy.


    Edited by HiMyNameIsNick, 14 November 2015 - 05:52 PM.


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    Posted 14 November 2015 - 06:02 PM

    Guys, you know what's funny? Nobody gave a crap when this happened in Kenya. But, hey!, we do care about the French pals first world countries.

     

    http://edition.cnn.c...versity-attack/

     

    Oh, the hypocrisy.

     

    No one really cared about Beirut either :/ 



    #62 HiMyNameIsNick

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    Posted 14 November 2015 - 06:06 PM

    No one really cared about Beirut either :/

     

     

    This.



    #63 Blanc

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    Posted 14 November 2015 - 06:48 PM

    Guys, you know what's funny? Nobody gave a crap when this happened in Kenya. But, hey!, we do care about the French pals first world countries.

     

    http://edition.cnn.c...versity-attack/

     

    Oh, the hypocrisy.

     

    This.

    When it's an country like france: OMFG, PRAY FOR PARIS

     

    When it's an second world country: *crickets* *crickets*



    #64 Elindoril

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    Posted 14 November 2015 - 07:13 PM

    France is a better trading partner.

     

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    Posted 14 November 2015 - 07:21 PM

    Guys, you know what's funny? Nobody gave a crap when this happened in Kenya. But, hey!, we do care about the French pals first world countries.

     

    http://edition.cnn.c...versity-attack/

     

    Oh, the hypocrisy.

     

    Is being sympathetic about 130 people dying being a hypocrite? 

    Is being worried about the friends I have there hypocritical?

    Only one of the last three tragedies hit close to home for me. 

     

    I'd much rather be legitimately concerned about one than pretend to worry about another.



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    Posted 15 November 2015 - 12:01 AM

    A survivor of the Bataclan attack posted this in /r/france and someone translated it. It's quite shocking, so don't read if you don't think you can handle it.
    Spoiler

    The translation isn't perfect, but it definitely transmitted the emotion.

    #67 Frizzle

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    Posted 15 November 2015 - 12:51 AM

    ISIS retaliation for "Jihadi John" is the biggest motive so far.

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    Posted 15 November 2015 - 12:56 AM

    Only one of the last three tragedies hit close to home for me. 

     

    So that's why you care about this tragedy?  :o



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    Posted 15 November 2015 - 02:44 AM

    People are more likely to feel affected or sympathy for something they can relate to. Francs shares many aspects of culture, news, languages, history with other European/NA countries.

    It's a tad different to say Iraq or Lebanon which some people couldn't even point out on a map.

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    Posted 15 November 2015 - 02:58 AM

    So that's why you care about this tragedy?  :o

    There is a magnitude of difference between being extremely concerned about a tragedy and being indifferent to it.

    Don't confuse my concern about this attack with a lack of caring/apathy for the people that lost their lives in the others.



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    Posted 15 November 2015 - 05:56 AM

    The ones that scream we don't care enough about the other tragedies - here and on, for example, Facebook - are people that never rep a single word about tragedies on any other day. They are only opposing to oppose, not because they care about Beirut or Japan. Hypocrisy in its purest form, ladies and gentlemen.



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    Posted 15 November 2015 - 08:18 AM

    The ones that scream we don't care enough about the other tragedies - here and on, for example, Facebook - are people that never rep a single word about tragedies on any other day. They are only opposing to oppose, not because they care about Beirut or Japan. Hypocrisy in its purest form, ladies and gentlemen.

     

    Not exactly true, I do care deeply about the french attack, I truly do. My mom's side of the family is mostly french.

     

    I do post about attacks I know about on social media.

    I also care about other countries as well. It's not apathy from my end.



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    Posted 15 November 2015 - 08:57 AM

    Guys, you know what's funny? Nobody gave a crap when this happened in Kenya. But, hey!, we do care about the French pals first world countries.

    http://edition.cnn.c...versity-attack/

    Oh, the hypocrisy.

    It's not really hypocrisy, to my knowledge nobody is saying Kenya or Beirut were okay events. But obviously I'm going to be more immediately affected by an event like this happening in a city where I live half the time, where my husband lives, where we have many friends, where I've eaten at one of the restaurants involved...For the Brits especially, Paris is remarkably close (pretty sure it takes me less time/about the same to get here from London than it would take me to go visit Waser at the other end of the UK), so it's easier to contextualize it compared to cities half a world away.

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    Posted 16 November 2015 - 03:35 PM

    I hate that whenever am this happens people bring up some other tragedy and ask why no one was crying out then.

    First, please it's distracting from the current tragedy. France still deserves mourning. While the other places do as well, you don't get it by insinuating people can't cry for France if they didn't cry for Beruit or Kenya.

    Second, it's a lot of relativity. Some places are more dangerous. They have more bombings and killings. We've become disensitized to this. Places like Paris don't see massive casualties often. It's going to shake people up when a place they see as safe is attacked.

    Third, is knowledge. Paris is a large, well known city. The entire world knows of Paris. It's a large tourist center. Almost everyone has ties there. People all over the world could have had relatives living there or visiting. It's going to make bigger news because more of the people in media's target audience can relate to it.

    It's not a question of what is more tragic. They're all terrible instance where innocent people died. We should mourn them al. But the reality is that people are going to be more concerned about something that affects them personally.


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