24 replies to this topic

[Mr. Hobo]

If an immgrant can contribute to America's Society/Economy legal or not he/she should be allowed to stay. If the person is leeching (Welfare and no source of income) or has a criminal record then (s)he should be kicked out. They shouldn't be payed less because they aren't citizens, if an American can't pull his/her own weight and can't get a job then it's their own fault and the immigrant shouldn't be docked pay

[Ilya]

Well I take the side that no one shouldnt be rejected to coming into America, everyone is an imigrant here, so am I but I am not illigal...
If we look at what will happen to our economy if we will remove alot of imigrants out of America...

First: Alot of imigrants are working for minimum wage like $2-$3 an hour doing dirty jobs, no one wants those jobs, would you got for $3 an hour job cutting watever mellins? and caring bags of potatoes up and down? I got a job for $15 just sitting in front desk assisting people with windows help...

If we remove all the imigrantsm then the jobs will be free no one will want to fill them, not atleast a citizen when he can get atleast $6 an hour giving out flyers... Then the store owners will have to pay more like $7-$10 an hour, if they do that, then they wont get their lets say $100 a day profit, but they will get their $75 profit, so they will start charging more for the products, charging more for the products wiill cause businesses to increase wage like progrmaming and stuff all jobs will get payed more, andf this is the start of inflation... not that we already are not in inflation...

I evene confirmed that with my economics professor he said that, that ^ will happen if we remove illigal imigrants..

Edited by Adobe, 01 May 2006 - 06:56 PM.

[Ives]

They could spend a few days into becoming a United States citizen like everyone else, for one. Then they can sing the national anthem in spanish or whatever the hell they want.

[Ilya]

lol it takes more then that to become a citizen in mexico its illigal for them to leave mexico... they cant apply there for citizenship, the rule is that if they ascape and step 1 foot on the US mexico cant do a thing anymore.. once their in you got to the offivce, they say you need to apply form a country where you are a citizen to become a US citizen...

[Ives]

lol it takes more then that to become a citizen in mexico its illigal for them to leave mexico... they cant apply there for citizenship, the rule is that if they ascape and step 1 foot on the US mexico cant do a thing anymore.. once their in you got to the offivce, they say you need to apply form a country where you are a citizen to become a US citizen...

The hell? No. You CAN come from Mexico. It's complicated.

[Mitch]

If he is doing nothing illegal and helping out the economy, pay taxes, Everything of the such they should stay. If not they can go sell meth in mexico and get that shit out of here.

And also, they shouldn't be able to get things if they are poor. Like charity money etc. That would be really unfair. For people to get jipped out of there next meal cause some illegal just came across and needs food cuase he can't get a job yet.

[Ilya]

listen, illigal imigrants dont vote, pay taxes, and get miminum wage... They are helping the economy and reeshu it is complicated to mcome from Mexico, My freind she barely escape from Mexico and now illigal here... after a few years she was able to go to college and we are in the same class she was writing an essay on thaat process...


Who you think woks in the background? which people work for minimum payment and pay half of their money to taxes? If they quit American's economy will be in the drain...

Edited by Adobe, 01 May 2006 - 07:10 PM.

[Grizzly]

The whole reason our government controls the amount of immigrants that comes into the US is so that we don't take in more than we can handle. That parts completely understandable. We have literally 1000s of mexicans crossing the border everyday. All they do is make money and don't spend it. That is NOT helping our economy and that's the main issue imo. And considering 95% of our population are immigrants or descendents of, I found this day to be utterly and completely useless.

The fucked up part on the governments part though is how they're blaming the illegal immigrants for ruining our economy when in fact the major issue is that we're in a useless war againt iraq which is draining and draining our economy. And the government blames it on the immigrants. ;

And what I don't get is. How is not coming to school going to do jack?

Well I take the side that no one shouldnt be rejected to coming into America, everyone is an imigrant here, so am I but I am not illigal...
If we look at what will happen to our economy if we will remove alot of imigrants out of America...

--The governemnt regulates the number of immigrants so we don't become overpopulated. Take a look at China.

First: Alot of imigrants are working for minimum wage like $2-$3 an hour doing dirty jobs, no one wants those jobs, would you got for $3 an hour job cutting watever mellins? and caring bags of potatoes up and down? I got a job for $15 just sitting in front desk assisting people with windows help...

--Min wage is not 2-3$ its 5.something. Whether little or not, they do make money. And they don't spend any of it or pay taxes. It's only a problem because there's so many illegal immigrants now and that $5 an hour is killing our economy.

If we remove all the imigrantsm then the jobs will be free no one will want to fill them, not atleast a citizen when he can get atleast $6 an hour giving out flyers... Then the store owners will have to pay more like $7-$10 an hour, if they do that, then they wont get their lets say $100 a day profit, but they will get their $75 profit, so they will start charging more for the products, charging more for the products wiill cause businesses to increase wage like progrmaming and stuff all jobs will get payed more, andf this is the start of inflation... not that we already are not in inflation...
--Nobodies trying to get rid of all immigrants. They just want the illegal ones out.

I evene confirmed that with my economics professor he said that, that ^ will happen if we remove illigal imigrants..

[RandomNameIgnoreIt]

If they want to be treated like Americans they should take the time that everyone else does to become americans : )

Why is it put upon the United States to take on everyone? Why are we obligated to have a re-written Spanish language NATIONAL ANTHEM with their own words and meanings so they can "get it"?

Why do they feel they get special rights above others? Other people have to go through a process to become citizens of the United States... but they want amnesty for everyone, just because.... because nothing. Because they think they have this right that doesn't exist.

I got an idea, let's all go to Canada and start making up rights that we have in Canada. Sure, Canada doesn't technically recognize them, but we're all people so we can just go make up laws as we see fit, eh?

This whole situation needs some damn order... So many people coming into the US undocumented, and they don't see the problem with that. It's astounding. The issue is not their impact on the economy, which seems to be the point they are pushing with this "walk out."

The point is that they seem to think that in breaking the law, they are better than everyone else. They deserve special treatment that others do not receive. Because they can walk/run across a border they deserve to stay.

Well, it's really hard to hack into FBI databases too. Does the hacker then tell the FBI when he is caught, "Aw, c'mon guys it's not fair, it was really hard getting here, and I mean in my opinion I should have a right to see this stuff anyway!"

No.

So why is this different? Because there's millions of them? Millions of law breakers? That's different? The bulls**t has to stop.

[Grizzly]

If they want to be treated like Americans they should take the time that everyone else does to become americans : )

Well that's a little harsh. Some illegal immigrants don't have the option to become citizens. They're not coming into American illegally because they don't want to go through the process. They're doing this because it's their only option in some cases. The government only allows a certain amount of citizens of each race (which is a pretty fucked up thing imo) to immigrate to our country. If the number passes that limit. Too bad you're staying in your home country and being treated like ish. :wave:

[RandomNameIgnoreIt]

Well that's a little harsh. Some illegal immigrants don't have the option to become citizens. They're not coming into American illegally because they don't want to go through the process. They're doing this because it's their only option in some cases. The government only allows a certain amount of citizens of each race (which is a pretty fucked up thing imo) to immigrate to our country. If the number passes that limit. Too bad you're staying in your home country and being treated like ish. :wave:

If we let them all in, it'd hardly be good for anyone. If all of mexico was moved up here, it'd still be mexico.

And I don't want anyone thinking I have anything against mexicans, or legal immigrants. I don't. I just don't understand why they are doing this.

Can I understand why they came here? Yes. But it's completely ridiculous that they are now marching in the streets changing the anthem and trying to dictate our philosophy and laws to us as they want them to be... If anyone could just go anywhere and impose whatever they wanted like that, the world would be in chaos.

[Stryyp]

Sometimes it feels like an illegal immigrant has more rights than I do

My biggest quarrel with illegal immigrants is how they generally come into the country, and then to crap like marching around talking about their rights that do not exist. Coming from Florida, I see plenty of illegal immigrants, and don't get me wrong, they are nice people and I appreciate what they do, but I also dislike them for what they do. Some contractors around here will just give a group of illegal immigrants a hammer, some nails then go tell them to rebuild a house. So while a shoddy job is being done, the contractor is using a poor workforce and still charging full price. That isn't the immigrants fault, it is the contracotrs fault. Also, I have seen immigrants to spectacular jobs, just not in something as complex as building a house.

So I guess what I am saying is that I get irritated by them thinking they are citizens, but also appreciate what they do

[Ilya]

Sometimes it feels like an illegal immigrant has more rights than I do

Wow how do you figure that?

EVERYONE is an immigrant here, you think the first people who came to America actually were citizens? you think Jefferson was a "legal" immmigrant and made a special passport to come here?

[emme80]

this is a really tough issue, they are changing the rules on illegal immagrants to make it easier for them to get work here, but if they do, it's not fair to all the other people who tried (or are still trying) to become lgal before coming here. they should of asked for ID's during all the parades and stuff... then make them have to apply to reenter once they reform the laws...

[Dan]

We have the same thing over here. Replace Mexicans with "Jews and Indians/Paki-stanis"

[Frizzle]

Dunno where you live Dan, but I've never seen a Jew in my 16 year existance. Although there is a large indian/Eastern European settlers here.

[Dan]

Dunno where you live Dan, but I've never seen a Jew in my 16 year existance. Although there is a large indian/Eastern European settlers here.

zomg theres loads around here. I'm not going to go into how much they annoy me with their sinagogs and their half-dicks and shit man...

No Offence intended.

[amyjia]

zomg theres loads around here. I'm not going to go into how much they annoy me with their sinagogs and their half-dicks and shit man...

No Offence intended.

Hmm.. how could anyone take offence from that? Let's please stay on topic.. illegal immigrants.. not why a certain "race, ethnicity, or religious group of people" annoys you.

Edited by amyjia, 02 May 2006 - 09:03 AM.

[Ilya]

Dunno where you live Dan, but I've never seen a Jew in my 16 year existance.

I am jewish

zomg theres loads around here. I'm not going to go into how much they annoy me with their sinagogs and their half-dicks and shit man...

No Offence intended.

You dont say shit about them and then say "no offence" if you say something like I dont like them or something then you can say no offence but since you are like sick of their sinagogs and "half-dicks" man... what jew cant take offense of that?

Anyway... mexicans have no other choice, you know what kind of work they have there? They dress in white uniform get on the truck in candcuffs and come work here for like 12 hours then go back to mexico and they earn money that way... PLus no one should be denied because america is a land of imigrants..

Edited by Adobe, 02 May 2006 - 09:17 AM.

[Frizzle]

That was like..300 hundred years ago when the land was barely populated. How can that kind of information be bought into a debate about modern times, when immigrants are increasing the populations of countries, pushing up taxes and causing alot of crime?

[Ilya]

lo you really think that illigal immigrants are the ones that are doing crime? The people who are doing crimes are citizens who do drugs all day and when they are out of money they go rob from someone. Illigal imigrants come tfor job opportunities not a chance to rob something...

[Ives]

Adobe, thats a ridiculously fucking small population to compare with illegal immigrants. Sure, there are a few large cities (New York, Detroit, etc.) that have really bad, hard to control sections, but ususally shit gets taken care of and justice is found.

My summed up thoughts: If you really love America, wait your turn to get ALL the freebies an American citizen gets.

[Mitch]

listen, illigal imigrants dont vote, pay taxes, and get miminum wage... They are helping the economy and reeshu it is complicated to mcome from Mexico, My freind she barely escape from Mexico and now illigal here... after a few years she was able to go to college and we are in the same class she was writing an essay on thaat process...
Who you think woks in the background? which people work for minimum payment and pay half of their money to taxes? If they quit American's economy will be in the drain...

Are you high? Just crawl under thew millions of holes in a fence and your in the US. Now walk a couple of miles and you got your self a city. Get some money then fly to nebraska or something.

Adobe, thats a ridiculously fucking small population to compare with illegal immigrants. Sure, there are a few large cities (New York, Detroit, etc.) that have really bad, hard to control sections, but ususally shit gets taken care of and justice is found.

My summed up thoughts: If you really love America, wait your turn to get ALL the freebies an American citizen gets.

Freebies? I think not. I mean come on. We pay into social security for what? So when we get to retirement age we won't have it? My mom has to give half her pay check to that shit and will she probaly see a dime of that money in her life? Hell no. Unfair , where basicaly getting out money stolen from us. They should have a age cutoff to which don't have to pay cause they won't see it.

[Ives]

Are you high? Just crawl under thew millions of holes in a fence and your in the US. Now walk a couple of miles and you got your self a city. Get some money then fly to nebraska or something.
Freebies? I think not. I mean come on. We pay into social security for what? So when we get to retirement age we won't have it? My mom has to give half her pay check to that shit and will she probaly see a dime of that money in her life? Hell no. Unfair , where basicaly getting out money stolen from us. They should have a age cutoff to which don't have to pay cause they won't see it.

Yeah, there are benefits to being in the U.S over other places. Try going to an extremist theocracy or facist nation. You'll see what I mean.