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[sonic]

The only way I see to do that would be to tap into the threads of the space time continuum.

You want to much "dude weres my car"

The compiled space-time is not something you can "tap" into.
Honestly, know what your talking about.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to accelerate past the speed of light. Why bother even thinking about the idea, when all known laws of physics says it cant happen.

What we could do, is go through space-time. See space-time is a single warped "thing". Its not striat. So we would have to go through both sides..... Highly unliky

[iargue]

I would have to say you pulled that out of your ass....

We have "explored" much less than that. More like .0000000003% of the universe.... possibly less.
Im pretty sure you are the dumest person EVER! Ban him now!

speed of light = 186,000 miles per SECOND

mach1=speed of sound you retarted idiot....

sheesh my bad, dont get so mad.

mach is speed of sound(around 340 per second) and a certain mach is the speed of light.

AND WE DO MOVE AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT.

and im going off of what nasa says on explored universe. who should i belive? they people who are pay to, study to, and live to, and have explored space, or some guy with the name sonic?

You want to much "dude weres my car"

The compiled space-time is not something you can "tap" into.
Honestly, know what your talking about.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to accelerate past the speed of light. Why bother even thinking about the idea, when all known laws of physics says it cant happen.

What we could do, is go through space-time. See space-time is a single warped "thing". Its not striat. So we would have to go through both sides..... Highly unliky

dude i think you fell asleep in physics too many times, life works on diminsions, like where in the 3rd, so if we move on to the 4th or 5th, or maybe back to the 2nd or 1st, we would be able to move faster or slower then we move here.

Edited by iruleatants, 17 July 2006 - 10:08 PM.

[ShadowLink64]

You want to much "dude weres my car"

The compiled space-time is not something you can "tap" into.
Honestly, know what your talking about.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to accelerate past the speed of light. Why bother even thinking about the idea, when all known laws of physics says it cant happen.

What we could do, is go through space-time. See space-time is a single warped "thing". Its not striat. So we would have to go through both sides..... Highly unliky

Well, the thing is... not every aspect of physics is known yet. Einstein's theory of relativity is pretty solid in theory but is not fully understood just yet. Technically, it is impossible to go faster than the speed of light, and until we know more, we will only have to assume that.

[Cataliste]

Iruleatants. Please read up on QM and physics before you try to preach to us aobut it.

We have NOT traveled at the speed of light. Obviously you misread/heard these NASA specialist.

And "life" does not work on dimensions. Well, kinda. The universe has many dimensions (As many as 11!). And, I think you are trying to view the dimension thing as "alternate" like something off Buffy: The Vampire Slayer. We exist in all these dimensions at once.

Please become well versed in these materials before you bring yourself to the batter's box.

EDIT: Please do not bring "Discovery Channel Physics" here.

[BarCode]

dude, don't contradict yourself.

if a person/thing is not from earth, then it is an alien, so if you say aliens dont exsist other life forms do exist, then you contradict yourself.

just like your considerd an alien in the us if your not from the us.

[joke]
ALIENS DO EXSIST, most of them are illegal though, and we are making laws to kick them out
[/joke]

I didnt contradict myself...

You believe that things that arent from Earth are aliens. My statement is completely fine; If we met with an "alien" they'd say we were the aliens, and we'd say they're the "alien." Simply saying that I believe other life forms exist doesnt mean they're aliens. For all I know, they could be saying that us humans are the aliens, making us the aliens. Does that mean we're aliens? As you can see, this can go back and forth forever. Simply put:
Other life forms will say we are aliens, and we say they are aliens. We will never know who the true aliens are.

[ShadowLink64]

Ok, let's try and keep on topic now (Aliens, people!).
EDIT: Ok, I guess I posted too late as the above post is about aliens. Continue.

[iargue]

I didnt contradict myself...

You believe that things that arent from Earth are aliens. My statement is completely fine; If we met with an "alien" they'd say we were the aliens, and we'd say they're the "alien." Simply saying that I believe other life forms exist doesnt mean they're aliens. For all I know, they could be saying that us humans are the aliens, making us the aliens. Does that mean we're aliens? As you can see, this can go back and forth forever. Simply put:
Other life forms will say we are aliens, and we say they are aliens. We will never know who the true aliens are.

what you are saying contradicts yourself dude, you say that if we where to meet an alien they would think of us as aliens, so therefore being an alien is based on POV only, and yet it still exsists, therefore if you say that aliens dont exsist, and yet you say that if we where to meet someone we and they would think of the other as aliens, this means that aliens do exsist. DONT CONTRADICT YOURSELF.

Edited by iruleatants, 17 July 2006 - 10:25 PM.

[Martin]

You want to much "dude weres my car"

The compiled space-time is not something you can "tap" into.
Honestly, know what your talking about.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to accelerate past the speed of light. Why bother even thinking about the idea, when all known laws of physics says it cant happen.

What we could do, is go through space-time. See space-time is a single warped "thing". Its not striat. So we would have to go through both sides..... Highly unliky

Actually there was a whole episode of about this on NOVA http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/

Its quite amazing really. While the KNOWN laws say it cant humans cant really say we know it all! Take a black hole for example. The laws of physics say they cant exist. IF a black whole can rip through space and time whats saying humans cant harness or replicate this (in the far far far future)

sheesh my bad, dont get so mad.

mach is speed of sound(around 340 per second) and a certain mach is the speed of light.

AND WE DO MOVE AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT.

and im going off of what nasa says on explored universe. who should i belive? they people who are pay to, study to, and live to, and have explored space, or some guy with the name sonic?
dude i think you fell asleep in physics too many times, life works on diminsions, like where in the 3rd, so if we move on to the 4th or 5th, or maybe back to the 2nd or 1st, we would be able to move faster or slower then we move here.

Actually we dont move at the speed of light. Here is an article of one of the few attempts that have suceeded in traviling that fast.
http://news.bbc.co.u...tech/781199.stm

Edit: Sorry for getting off topic! Ill quickly add something about aliens!

I think it aliens have not come to us then they have not advanced enough or humans right not are insignificant at the present time.

Edited by Martin, 17 July 2006 - 10:30 PM.

[BarCode]

what you are saying contradicts yourself dude, you say that if we where to meet an alien they would think of us as aliens, so therefore being an alien is based on POV only, and yet it still exsists, therefore if you say that aliens dont exsist, and yet you say that if we where to meet someone we and they would think of the other as aliens, this means that aliens do exsist. DONT CONTRADICT YOURSELF.

Do you consider a single-celled organism that has no state of mind an alien?

[redlion]

No, if you take all the requirements for existence of intelliegent life you will find that earth is a very special planet in that it fits in over 1000 circumstances such as being in the exact spot where only life could exist in our galaxy, meaning we are not to close to the middle and not to far out on the edge. That's just one example, even the position of our planet in our solar system is perfect for life.

Now hold on just one second. I'm with you completely on how we couldn't exist if our planet wasn't where it is in relation to our star, but how does our system's position in the galaxy have anything to do with it?

I certainly believe that aliens exist, if you define aliens to be non-Earth organisms living somewhere in space. But whether they have the human body-characteristics that sci-fi movies or some people describe them as.. I doubt it. For some reason, I don't think that space organisms would have eyes or noses or ears.. maybe I'm being too imaginative? I've seen TV programs that interviewed people who have supposedly been "abducting by aliens" and released again. There is even that ridiculous guy who can "bring forth UFOs on command" on ebaum's. I haven't seen any convincing evidence of so far, so I'm still skeptical.

However, I do remember seeing a leaked video of what seems to be an alien strapped to an operation table in some underground governmental air base. It was claimed to be real, but I still don't think so.

The term alien means foreign. Inteligent life is an entirely different concept than alien life.

[iargue]

Do you consider a single-celled organism that has no state of mind an alien?

Yes, if it is not from earth, becasue of the definition of being an alien. Of course, when we talk of aliens, we think of intelligent life forms, wich it doesnt have to be.

[Cataliste]

You do realise tha tlife is very flexible right? Jus tbecause we are in "the perfect location" for life does not mean it does not exist in imperfec tlocations. What about silicon base dlifeforms? They ahve not been found, but science has proved they CAN exist. These lifeforms would have totally different needs than our own.

Life is VERY good at surviving where you do not think ti can, such as in volcanic vents on the ocean floor, where it is over 500 F (If I remember correctly). Life can do some cool shit. And could even exist on Europa (Moon of Saturn/Jupiter).

[iargue]

You do realise tha tlife is very flexible right? Jus tbecause we are in "the perfect location" for life does not mean it does not exist in imperfec tlocations. What about silicon base dlifeforms? They ahve not been found, but science has proved they CAN exist. These lifeforms would have totally different needs than our own.

Life is VERY good at surviving where you do not think ti can, such as in volcanic vents on the ocean floor, where it is over 500 F (If I remember correctly). Life can do some cool shit. And could even exist on Europa (Moon of Saturn/Jupiter).

He said aliens only dude, not life

[Cataliste]

He said aliens only dude, not life

Ummm. You realise aliens are life right? I am jsut saying if things can live in these conditions on our planet, they can live in harsh ones on other planets too.

[iargue]

Ummm. You realise aliens are life right? I am jsut saying if things can live in these conditions on our planet, they can live in harsh ones on other planets too.

NO!!!!, aliens are nothing, alien is a term, a synonym is you must, of foreign organism.

[redlion]

NO!!!!, aliens are nothing, alien is a term, a synonym is you must, of foreign organism.

Yeah... foreign organisms are alive. All organisms are.

[iargue]

Yeah... foreign organisms are alive. All organisms are.

yeah, but alien once again is a term to describe something, alien does not exsist therefore it isn't part of life, it's simply vocabulary.

Please keep this topic open, im going to go and play some cs, then i'll ocme back and read what everyone has to say.

Edited by iruleatants, 17 July 2006 - 10:53 PM.

[Cataliste]

Yeah... foreign organisms are alive. All organisms are.

QFE


PWNT.

[BarCode]

Yes, if it is not from earth, becasue of the definition of being an alien. Of course, when we talk of aliens, we think of intelligent life forms, wich it doesnt have to be.

Well, before I go to bed, I have one more thing to say.
There is a chance that another life form was created before humans. Though they may not be as high-tech as humans, they were still around before us, were they not? Would that not make us the aliens in this universe?
I'll say it again, I think there's no such thing as "aliens." Yes, there are other life forms, I believe. I also believe that people think that life forms that don't come from Earth are aliens. I'll leave you with this final word, it's up to you to figure out the scientific meaning of it:
"worm"

[Cataliste]

How did this go from a debate about the existance of other life, to how we should use the term "aliens"?

[iargue]

Well, before I go to bed, I have one more thing to say.
There is a chance that another life form was created before humans. Though they may not be as high-tech as humans, they were still around before us, were they not? Would that not make us the aliens in this universe?
I'll say it again, I think there's no such thing as "aliens." Yes, there are other life forms, I believe. I also believe that people think that life forms that don't come from Earth are aliens. I'll leave you with this final word, it's up to you to figure out the scientific meaning of it:
"worm"

your still contradicting yourself

Okay here you go,

Surely if we humans met up with "Aliens", they'd assume we're "Aliens" and they're normal, while we'd be assuming the same thing.

Wich Means Aliens DO exsist.

Do aliens exist? Nah, no such thing.

And now they don't?

But there probably in fact, are other life forms somewhere in this universe.

Wich is what aliens are, so aliens do exsist.

YOU COMPLETELY CONTRADICT YOURSELF.

also

if alien is a term to describe a foreign life form, and you say that other life forms do exsist, you are contradicting yourself whenever you say they dont exsist.

everyone listen to this, an alien is not a thing, it is not a being, alien is a term, a piece of vocabulary, it is what we use to refer to foreign organisms, wich is when we say illegal aliens in the us, it means mexicans without green cards/citizenship.

How did this go from a debate about the existance of other life, to how we should use the term "aliens"?

Becasue no one uses alien properly, alien is not a thing nor is it a being, its a piece of vocabulary.

[Cataliste]

Everyword is s peice of vocabulary. Let's actually debate over whether the things exist?

[iargue]

Yes, but somethings are being too, like homosapiens, they are one and only, but aliens is capable of changing though pov, so therefore it doesnt get an assignment of being.

[Cataliste]

I refuse to carry on this debate with someone of your intellectual nature iruleatants.

[Ilya]

Yea we cant be the only people in the whole galaxy im sure there are alians, and not only 1 other kinda but lots of other kinds...