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[Noitidart]

OMG OMG OMG He sooo has balls!! OMG he should get a mdeal!! that's crazy hopefully he wont get any imprisonment

Really there is no fighting the US is doing in Iraq. Iraq is totally ruined because of what the US did I have no clue what the US army shoots at theree right now. They arej just pissing off the Iraqi public.

[Cory]

OMG OMG OMG He sooo has balls!! OMG he should get a mdeal!! that's crazy hopefully he wont get any imprisonment

Really there is no fighting the US is doing in Iraq. Iraq is totally ruined because of what the US did I have no clue what the US army shoots at theree right now. They arej just pissing off the Iraqi public.

O.O

WTF did you just say?

Edited by Marine, 03 January 2007 - 08:43 PM.

[Frizzle]

Something stupid involving America and the Iraq war. Next minute he'll be "BUT THE ZIONISTS!!@"

[redlion]

The thing is, all the leading Nazi's did good in some way or another which CAN'T be denied (I'll back up tomorow, bed soon.) but the "negative" aspects of the Nazi's will always shadow those good things.

And no, I'm not an idiot, I've been to the cemetaries, I've been to Auschwitz, Schindlers factory and a few musems. You'd be a total moron to deny the existence.

I'm interested to see what you'll come up with. Besides Schindler, I can't think of a single one that did good. I know they're all really smart men; all the one's that were captured and tried at Nuremberg, with the exception of Julius Streicher, had an IQ over 110, and many had an IQ over 130, with two even reaching genius status with IQs of 141 and 143 (Seyss-Inquart and Schacht, respectively). They're not stupid men, which only makes it worse that they committed all those crimes willingly. The only one found not guilty by those courts was the smartest, Schacht.

And its not that Gibson denies it happened (or at least, I haven't heard that). He just denies that any significant amount of Jews were killed.

[Frizzle]

Holocaust deniers like David Irwin deny the existence of the Final Solution mostly, the plan to exterminate all the Jews in Europe to save the world from them as you could say. The Holocaust deniers vary on levels, denying the existence of gas chambers, the amount of deaths and so forth..


I'll show you some of the things the Nazi's did that was great which cannot be denied.

In the summer of 1935 Adolf Hitler announced the introduction of Labour Service (RAD). Under this measure all men aged between the ages of nineteen and twenty-five had work for the government for six months. Later women were also included in the scheme and they did work such as teaching and domestic service. One of the consequences of RAD was a reduction in the number of people in Germany who were unemployed.

Many people who were unemployed had the chance to get jobs now, even though they weren't paid high, everyone had a job, a figure of 1.3 million were unemployed in 1993, the year Hitler become chancellor. By 1939, Germany were declaring a shortage of workers. Workers who built dams, roads, planted trees, dug ditches and so forth, benefiiting the economy and giving over a million people jobs for the future.

Bernhard Rust introduced a Nazi National Curriculum. Considerable emphasis was placed on physical training and the study of history. There were also courses on the origins of the Nazi Party and racial science. The amount of time on religious instruction was reduced and it ceased to be a subject for school-leaving examinations and attendance at school prayers was made optional. Prayers written by Baldur von Schirach, the head of the Hitler Youth, that praised Adolf Hitler, were introduced and had to be said before eating school meals.

One of the most important changes made by Bernhard Rust was the establishment of élite schools called Nationalpolitische Erziehungsanstalten (Napolas). Selection for entry included racial origins, physical fitness and membership of the Hitler Youth. These schools, run by the Schutzstaffel (SS), had the task of training the next generation of high-ranking people in the Nazi Party and the German Army.

After leaving school at the age of eighteen students joined the German Labour Service where they worked for the government for six months. Some young people then went on to university.

As you can see, Hitler did wonders for education with Rust underneath him creating a new cirriculum which would keep heatlh levels up and generally increasing the middle class and lowering ther working class so that many more people would go to uni and get better jobs.

For boys aged between 10 and 14 years Baldur von Schirach set up the Jungvolk. The boys had to learn semaphore, arms drill, and take part in two-day cross-country hikes. They also had to learn Nazi dogma and once they passed the necessary tests they were given a special dagger marked "Blood and Honour". The main objective of the organization was to provide Adolf Hitler with loyal supporters

Once girls reached the age of they could join the Jungmädel. At 14 they entered the Bund Deutscher Mädel. (German Girls' League). This included a year of farm or domestic service. They were trained by female guardians and their overall leader was Gertrud Scholtz-Klink.

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Again the Nazi's were increasing loyality and health within the German population, this idea wouldn't go down so well in our lazy, unworking sloth kind in the West. Maybe we should create a system like it? Cut obesity levels down a tad?

In May, 1933, Robert Ley was given the task of forming the Labour Front (DAF), the only union organization allowed in the Third Reich. Wages were now decided by the Labour Front and compulsory deductions made for income tax, and for its Strength through Joy programme.

Ley ordered the building of two new cruise-liners that were used to take German workers on foreign holidays. In 1938 an estimated 180,000 people went on cruises to places such as Maderia and the Norweigian fjords. Others were given free holidays in Germany.

The Strength through Joy programme also built sports facilities, paid for theatre visits and financially supported travelling cabaret groups. It also subsidized the development of the People's Car, the Volkswagen.

Although the German worker paid for these benefits through compulsory deductions, the image of people being given holidays and subsidized entertainment was of great propaganda value to the Nazi government.

Is there anything that bad about rewarding the hard working folks of your country for doing so well? Maybe if this scheme was implied in the UK or US, then people work a little harder and people would get their rewards for their hard work.


I could go on further and further about how inflation was kept at a steady level by the Nazi's so they wern't in over their head with taxes and reperations. Or I could say how that major factors of Germany were gradually repaired after the great war thanks to Germany. Art, Litretaure, academics, physical health, economy, public and international relations were improved, imports and exports would be then exchanged with Germany, help paying for some of your American goods.

All I'm saying is, don't let something as stupid as concentration camps (a British invention in the Boer war) get in the way of something so great.

If Hitler was alive today, and devised a cure that saved 6,000,001 people, would people look to him as a hero or as still the most evil man in history? I'm guessing the latter. Well that's propoganda for you, and not the Nazi type either.

[Vegas]

It takes more guts to stand up for what you think is morally right especially against the U.S. Army than going and fighting in iraq so I wouldnt call him a meatball. And if he did say that he was willing to go to Afghanistan the man is clearly not a coward.

Takes guts to be a revolutionary. Good for him.

[redlion]

Holocaust deniers like David Irwin deny the existence of the Final Solution mostly, the plan to exterminate all the Jews in Europe to save the world from them as you could say. The Holocaust deniers vary on levels, denying the existence of gas chambers, the amount of deaths and so forth..
I'll show you some of the things the Nazi's did that was great which cannot be denied.

Many people who were unemployed had the chance to get jobs now, even though they weren't paid high, everyone had a job, a figure of 1.3 million were unemployed in 1993, the year Hitler become chancellor. By 1939, Germany were declaring a shortage of workers. Workers who built dams, roads, planted trees, dug ditches and so forth, benefiting the economy and giving over a million people jobs for the future.

Much like the New Deal instituted by FDR. Public employment by the government can do wonders for an economy. What you don't talk about is how they later used captured slave labor in place of poor Germans. No, I'm not just talking about criminals and POWs, I'm talking about honest Jews, Roma, and other minorities that had done nothing wrong, didn't even live in Germany, but were suddenly press-ganged into service in factories, work crews, and other forms of labor with no compensation.

As you can see, Hitler did wonders for education with Rust underneath him creating a new curriculum which would keep health levels up and generally increasing the middle class and lowering ther working class so that many more people would go to uni and get better jobs.

Again, I'm not saying that health is a bad thing, but you don't address the rest of the quote. 'Racial Science' is just a technical term for teaching prejudice to young men and women. There is no 'science' to prejudice. I'm sure they had graphs and other nonsense supporting their assertion that all of Germany's woes were due to the Jew, but thats all it was: nonsense. Indoctrinating those children in such a manner was immoral. And their 'elite schools' were simply training facilities for new Nazis. Run by the SS? You can hardly call that Uni. They're simply Military indoctrination camps. There is no choice for a youth there. Even to get in, you already had to choose the Nazi party, becoming a Hitler Youth and all. What if you wanted to be a scientist? One that didn't work on rockets? You had no place in those schools, and those kids had no choice but to accept a job doing something they were less suited to. Don't talk to me about the 'wonders' Hitler did for education: he butchered any choice the children of Germany had in their lives. The only choice left for them was Nazis or Death.

Again the Nazi's were increasing loyality and health within the German population, this idea wouldn't go down so well in our lazy, unworking sloth kind in the West. Maybe we should create a system like it? Cut obesity levels down a tad?

I don't know about in the UK, but in the states we have manditory physical education in almost every public school. And the situation is the same both in Nazi Germany and the public day: after school, you become a sloth. The situation is no different, so I see no point in putting children through a gauntlet of Nazi propaganda simply to get them in shape.

Is there anything that bad about rewarding the hard working folks of your country for doing so well? Maybe if this scheme was implied in the UK or US, then people work a little harder and people would get their rewards for their hard work.

Umm, no? Private companies can do that just as well, or even a private citizen themself. The government's role is to accomplish things that an individual could not do for himself on the global scale. If the citizens had had their full wages, I have no doubt that they could have paid for their vacations themselves with no problems.

I could go on further and further about how inflation was kept at a steady level by the Nazi's so they wern't in over their head with taxes and reperations. Or I could say how that major factors of Germany were gradually repaired after the great war thanks to Germany. Art, Litretaure, academics, physical health, economy, public and international relations were improved, imports and exports would be then exchanged with Germany, help paying for some of your American goods.

Excuse me? The inflation level in Nazi Germany was kept down by refusing to pay reparations to the other countries involved in WW1. Art, literature, academics were stolen from around Europe for German museums and private collections alike. The economy improved using slave and near slave labor, not by acceptable means of the time, and international relations only improved because Hitler threatened to invade Poland!

All I'm saying is, don't let something as stupid as concentration camps (a British invention in the Boer war) get in the way of something so great.

Does it matter who invented it? I think it was actually a german that invented the automobile (it was a European, that much I know) but it was America that made the invention what it was. The same is true of the Germans with the concentration camps. Don't demean what happened to those people, it still happened, no matter how much you want to call it 'stupid'.

If Hitler was alive today, and devised a cure that saved 6,000,001 people, would people look to him as a hero or as still the most evil man in history? I'm guessing the latter. Well that's propoganda for you, and not the Nazi type either.

Right, but he didn't. He still was responsible for the deaths of 6 million plus people. End of.

[Frizzle]

So let's see, I give you facts and you give me your opinions? Get over yourself, I didn't want your opinions and unsourced facts which are easily made up about the Nazi era.

[Gen]

I could do the same if I was this general o.o this war is pissing me off .-. mothers lose their son because of this war, how can someone want this? More death? No matter what happens, war is stupid -_-. And how was said, people don't even know the real cause of it anymore, or never knew, the cause is it debated in talks or discussions, can be for oil or angry from osama had attack EUA, Idk this war should stop >.<

[redlion]

So let's see, I give you facts and you give me your opinions? Get over yourself, I didn't want your opinions and unsourced facts which are easily made up about the Nazi era.

Okay, hold up now. First of all, if you want to talk about unsourced facts, you didn't name a single source, so please, don't be a hypocrite. What you quoted(in the quotes) were facts. What you said were not facts, but opinions, so again don't be a hypocrite. You wouldn't have cared if I had stated my opinion and it had agreed with you. No, you only care because it is contradictory to yours, and makes you look like a fascist. Sorry, but most of what you quoted as 'good' acts by the Nazis was rife with prejudice, political indoctrination at a young age, slavery, and genocide. I don't care how much the economy of Germany improved. If it was done with slave labor, it wasn't right.

[Nick]

HAHAHA the only officer in history to refuse service my ass. Not even in the top 100.
I hope he fries. He has been employed all these years and knows full well that his job includes serving in war if he is ever called upon, rather he thinks the cause is justified or not.

QFE yet again. Frizzle & Marine are right. This officer knew what he was doing when he chose to be part of the United States Army. Concientious objection only works in a draft - that's why all those pathetic hippies were able to avoid the Vietnam War instead of showing support for their country.

In my opinion, he should be removed from the US since he obviously doesn't like it very much.

[otherworld]

QFE yet again. Frizzle & Marine are right. This officer knew what he was doing when he chose to be part of the United States Army. Concientious objection only works in a draft - that's why all those pathetic hippies were able to avoid the Vietnam War instead of showing support for their country.

In my opinion, he should be removed from the US since he obviously doesn't like it very much.

in some ways i agree, but saying he doesnt like the US just because he doesnt want to fight is a bit harsh dont you think.

I would like to see you go out and fight, or dont you like the US

[Nick]

in some ways i agree, but saying he doesnt like the US just because he doesnt want to fight is a bit harsh dont you think.

I would like to see you go out and fight, or dont you like the US

If there's a draft I will gladly go fight. For now, I am too young and I did not sign up for the job he did. This man is a disgrace to the United States Army.

[otherworld]

yeah i agree on that bit, he signed up he should do it.

doesnt mean he dislikes america. hes just a coward

[redlion]

QFE yet again. Frizzle & Marine are right. This officer knew what he was doing when he chose to be part of the United States Army. Concientious objection only works in a draft - that's why all those pathetic hippies were able to avoid the Vietnam War instead of showing support for their country.

In my opinion, he should be removed from the US since he obviously doesn't like it very much.

*sigh* Did you even read the article? He a patriot, and is glad to serve in any legitimate war. He's not trying to be a conscientious objector, he is simply saying that he will not participate in an illegal war. And, like I said, he was more than willing to fight in Afghanistan, but they wouldn't let him. IMO, afghanistan was probably more violent than Iraq when he volunteered to go. Probably still is.

[414de7fe6]

Something stupid involving America and the Iraq war. Next minute he'll be "BUT THE ZIONISTS!!@"

So true.

He's such a coward for not throwing his life away for an inane cause.

What ever shall we do?

[Frizzle]

Maybe he shouldn't sign up for the army?


Also Redlion if you wanted my source, I decided to get an unbiast one which is acutally approved by teachers around my country at least.

www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk


All you did was use made up trivial "facts" that are always used about the Nazi's used to put them in bad light, but of course have no proof behind them. Like catching babys on bayonets and so forth.

The Nazi's were preparing for a war remember, so they had to build up the youth somehow otherwise there would be no point in half of the things they did and would of lost.

Propoganda? Where does an American get the right to put down propoganda? Find me one fucking country in the world where it hasn't used propoganda?

You again completely missed my points and come back with "slave" labour...which didn't happen on a large scale.

Edited by Frizzle, 06 January 2007 - 05:36 AM.