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[Charmender]

Still, you're using derogatory terms. It really isn't needed here.

-removes one quote where you were telling someone the censored words-

I wouldnt class CENSORED as a derogatory term as african americans often call there friends "CENSORED", eg: "Yo CENSORED whats up".

So if they are willing to call it themselves then its hardly derogatory for them now is it?

Also if CENSORED is filtered as it is seen as derogatory, then why not Honkey, thats a racial slur for white people, seems a little unfair to me.

[Sean]

That's enough!

We all know that it is possible to dodge the filters! THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD! It was fine when people were just testing it, but everybody knows what words are filtered now!

Anybody who is dodging filters in this thread anymore WILL be given a warning. I don't care that you are able to make the 'F' word show up even when it is filtered! Grow up.

This is your verbal warning

I wouldnt class CENSORED as a derogatory term as african americans often call there friends "CENSORED", eg: "Yo CENSORED whats up".

So if they are willing to call it themselves then its hardly derogatory for them now is it?

Also if CENSORED is filtered as it is seen as derogatory, then why not Honkey, thats a racial slur for white people, seems a little unfair to me.

So if I call my friend a 'mother f***er', like 'Sup my mother f***er!', that suddenly makes it okay? No, it doesn't. The word you are using is inappropriate and unnecessary.

[Hawk]

I wouldnt class nigga as a derogatory term as african americans often call there friends "nigga", eg: "Yo nigga whats up".

So if they are willing to call it themselves then its hardly derogatory for them now is it?

Alright- fine. But of all the quotes I listed, how many are posted by black people? I can't really say they are African American's, because a lot of them are simply Americans, or some may not even be in America. Take a look at danupsher's old topics.

It is just a term that I think should not be allowed on the board. If that is allowed can I start calling people towel heads? How about chinks? Hell, how about I start ripping on gay people.

[Charmender]

But you see that is derogatory as they do not call themselves that.
Alot of black people call their friends nigga, but then get pissed if you call them it.
Why reffer to your friends something you do not wish to be called by everyone, makes no sense.

Also notice how none of the derogatory terms you just said for other races are not filtered, It could be said that Neocodex is being racist with these filters by protecting one race and not another, as it is filtering out a so called derogatory word for black people, but not for any other race.
Another reason that the filters should be removed i guess.

Thank you for proving my point

I didnt prove your point, sure maybe about the society thing, but thats the great thing about life, things change, deal with it, saying shit or fuck occasionally is perfectly fine, i dont see any logical reason why anyone would get offended by it unless its aimed at them.

[Hawk]

But you see that is derogatory as they do not call themselves that.
Alot of black people call their friends nigga, but then get pissed if you call them it.
Why reffer to your friends something you do not wish to be called by everyone, makes no sense.

Also notice how none of the derogatory terms you just said for other races are not filtered, It could be said that Neocodex is being racist with these filters by protecting one race and not another, as it is filtering out a so called derogatory word for black people, but not for any other race.

You're right, they are filtering out the most commonly used derogatory term. Use the search feature and chink has only been said a few times. And, oh my God, a cokiwah called himself a chink! That makes it completely acceptable to use on these boards. Towel head has only been said several times too. Its not a commonly used term, but it is no different than the word you are defending.

I didnt prove your point, sure maybe about the society thing, but thats the great thing about life, things change, deal with it, saying shit or fuck occasionally is perfectly fine, i dont see any logical reason why anyone would get offended by it unless its aimed at them.

What was the point of adding that on? Seriously. Thats a warn, Sean said so.

[Ives]

Still, you're using derogatory terms. It really isn't needed here.

-removes one quote where you were telling someone the censored words-

Its the context dude. Trent Lott put it very nicely he was for segregation of black people, doesnt mean that isnt discrimination.

Do I need to bold my statements from now on? It's because it offends some people. How many times do I need to say this? Society is quickly erasing the moral of no cursing, therefor some people see cursing as being okay, whereas some view it as being offensive and rude.

Agreed. Give choice to da peoples.

[Charmender]

Do I need to bold my statements from now on? It's because it offends some people. How many times do I need to say this? Society is quickly erasing the moral of no cursing, therefor some people see cursing as being okay, whereas some view it as being offensive and rude.
Not only that, but these words like bark and bitch are used offensively, calling someone a bitch, or saying "bark you", all offensive terms. Therefor, using them in day to day talk seems not only absurd, but just plain rude.

Ok so please tell me how "shit, Ive just blown £100 on something i didnt need" is offensive to anyone?

Its not hurting anyone, its a way of expressing how you feel, its the same as saying "crap" but with more emphasis.

Seriously, i would say atleast 70% of society dont give a crap about people swearing anymore, and the people who do need to stop taking things so literally and just realise that profanitys are just words, if it wasn't for the whole "omg thats a swear words oh noes" aura to them, no one would care when they are used, the only reason few people do care is because they see them as something bad when all they are is a stream of letters.

I mean im not all against the "swear" filter itself, i would prefer it if nothing was filtered as i belive in free speech but if its going to stay, atleast do it properly, and block all racial slurs, not just ones against black people, also block any derogatory terms and make them alot harder to bypass, otherwise there is absoulty no point.

[redlion]

the legal age to view this forum is 13

Is it really still? You can sign a COPA form with your parents permission and get in, or just lie. We've got/had moderators that didn't even meet that age requirement.

It's because it offends some people.

Well, fat people offend me. So do Christians. So do printers not made by Lexmark.

Thats a shoddy criterion for determining if something is allowed.

[Hawk]

I mean im not all against the "swear" filter itself, i would prefer it if nothing was filtered as i belive in free speech but if going to stay, atleast do it properly, and block all racial slurs, not just ones against black people, also block any derogatory terms and make them alot harder to bypass, otherwise there is absoulty no point.

I agree with you there. The racial slurs and other derogatory terms (Example: the one Danupsher posted) should be censored. Swear words I'm borderline on, because I use them at times.

Edited by Hawk, 05 June 2007 - 02:48 PM.

[Charmender]

Yeah im all for racial slurs being filtered, they dont provide any meaning other than to hurt, but "swear" words are a good way of expressing ones emotions quickly and in a way that everyone can understand.

[Hawk]

Yeah im all for racial slurs being filtered, they dont provide any meaning other than to hurt, but "swear" words are a good way of expressing ones emotions quickly and in a way that everyone can understand.

But there is a point when you can overdo it. It would be tough to enforce a rule on swearing in one situation and not another, and then its just up to the moderator, which may lead to some nastier things being said about a moderator/member about how they handled the situation. On the other side, I'm not really for censoring everything. I feel that takes away a bit too much. Really, it's a catch-22.

[Charmender]

I'm sorry, but I honestly don't think I can explain it to you. Honestly, one swear word and I'm not really offended, but 5 or 6 and I find it just rude. There are people out there that talk like "and I was talking to that motha barka and lended his ass some of my shit", and that's why I want the filters. Honestly, I was one of the ones that got it put back on. After seeing one of cody's post where bark was in every single sentence, it honestly disgusted and I asked sl if we can put the filters back on because I rather hear him bark like a dog than continue with that kind of profanity.

I honestly just can't believe you guys give curse words such status. To you they are simply sentence enhancers. I just can't even comprehend why someone would elevate them to such a status considering what they are actually used for nearly 50% of the time.

The trouble with you Josh, is you see a "swear" word as something bad, and not what it is, its just a word, also you feel it is ok to try and take away someone elses freedom of speech, just because you do not like some of the words they choose to use?

Im not going to bother trying to explain to you anymore, as your just too stubborn to accept other peoples views, nearly everyone in this topic has gone against you, and yet you continue with the same argument that has had many flaws pointed out in it.

People will always do stuff the pisses other people off, things in life are always going to annoy you, and instead of whinging about it, perhaps just accept that these things happen.

[Charmender]

The trouble with you calum, is that you don't respect other's beliefs. You don't realize that some people see profanity for what it is, rude and crude. You don't understand that some people think that it's inappropriate to use a word that is commonly used in an offensive statement in day to day talk. You don't know what the "spirit of the law" is, and just because some of us have different thoughts then you we don't get any recognition at all?

See, we can both play that game. The problem I see most on this board is that because someone is not quick to jump over to the otherside because the majority is there, makes you a stubborn close minded bigot. Honestly, there are a lot of people on this board who negate the use of profanity, but you just simply refuse to see that. And please calum, since this is the first time I have actually seen you in this topic, if you would be so kind as to point out the "flaws" in my argument it would help me out very much.

Well if this is the first time you have seen me in this topic, i suggest you look harder, as i have posted several times in here.

And may i just say, i do respect other peoples beliefs, but when that belief goes against my freedom of speech, i feel i must excersise my right to change there belief.
And you cannot say that "You don't realize that some people see profanity for what it is, rude and crude." because that is a matter of opinon, and not fact, so infact that statment is invalid.
You could say that "Some people see profanity as rude and crude" and yes i would agree with that, some people do, but then again i could say "Some people (aka the Nazis) saw the Jews as disgusting" does this mean that people do not have the right to be Jewish?
Ofcourse it doesn't.

Please come back to me when you have a solid argument, rather than picking at straws

[Charmender]

My statement was not invalid, I said people see profanity for what it is, meaning that profanity is the act of saying something rude or crude, which is in fact true.

If you want to be like that:
Your statement is invalid, you cannot say that my argument was not solid because that's subjective, instead you should have said "Come back to me with a better argument", because that implies you personally are dissatisfied with my argument and you are requesting one that will actually satisfy you.

For one, i can say the statment is invalid, as some people may like profanity, so therefore it is a matter of opinion.

And your argument was not solid, that is a fact, as i picked out holes in it.

So both my statements were valid tyvm

[Hawk]

As Josh said, I do see some profanity as rude and crude. But really, it depends on the situation. o.o I would love to be on Josh's side right now, but I know I frequently swear- which is really a bad habit.

[Cript]

I enjoy the filters...the censored words stick out to me as I'm scrolling and make me read crap that I wouldn't otherwise care about...

[Charmender]

What the... Okay, did I say "some people don't like profanity"? No, I didn't. I said some people see profanity for what it is, then defined the word. I have no idea what you're talking about, sorry.

No, that's not a fact, because right now I believe that my argument is solid because I have negated all your supposable "holes".

So, sorry, both your statements were invalid, for the second time.

Josh the defention of profanity is "Profanity is a word choice or usage which its audience considers to be offensive"

Now if said audience doesnt mind "swear" words, it is not profanity.

[Cript]

Yeah... where did you get that definition from?

Someone similar to the wiki definition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profanity

[Charmender]

Yeah... where did you get that definition from?

Profane:
Vulgar:
From dictionary.com.

Google, a "profanity" is only a "profanity" if its a "profanity" in the eyes of the beholder.

[Charmender]

Well this is pretty hard to debate than, because when I looked at the wiki i saw:
Either way, I did apply a correct definition to the word, as shown by two creditable sources, therefor you cannot say my statement is invalid. All he's trying to do is look for holes in my argument...

To be honest you dont have to look very hard to see holes in your argument, Swear words are nothing bad anymore, everyone uses them, you cannot honestly say you have never swore, so why would you want it to be filtered.

This argument is getting old, you keep saying the same shit over and over, and on several occasions members have disproven what you say.

[Charmender]

Ok Josh here is where you have been disproven:

http://www.neocodex....o...st&p=887775

http://www.neocodex....o...st&p=887878

http://www.neocodex....o...st&p=887996

http://www.neocodex....o...st&p=888151

http://www.neocodex....o...st&p=888166

http://www.neocodex....o...st&p=888275

http://www.neocodex....o...st&p=888279


Happy now?

[Charmender]

Oh and I disagree with "Swear words are nothing bad anymore, everyone uses them, you cannot honestly say you have never swore, so why would you want it to be filtered."

Just because something goes on for a long time doesn't it makes it right. And everyone uses them? Well firstly not everyone, and secondly the majority isn't necessarily right.

It's fine to defend your opinion, it's just getting into a debate to prove who is more right than a discussion about what should be done.

Ok ange but could you please tell me how anyone could find a statement such as "Man, Im bored shitless" offensive?

Also the only reason i posted where jhosh had been disproven was because he asked.

[Hawk]

also.. something isn't very coarse and unrefined if it is constantly being used...

What about sandpaper o.o Its coarse and gets used a lot o.o

-realizes how stupid and unrelated that was but posts it anyway-

[Charmender]

Tolerance? Isn't this what we are discussing? Tolerance of the filters?

Theres no need for thwe bark filter to be in place though, if you had tolerated it there wouldnt have been a problem

[ToxicS]

I'm a dog, bark bark bark. See its fun (everything was getting so serious, I had to say something)

Edited by Toxic-Snipe, 06 June 2007 - 05:41 AM.