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[philywilly]

I beg to differ. I know for a fact that there is withdrawal symptoms. I personally experienced a few. I didn't know the reason of these things until I thought back at it:

1. Hunger. Weed was my new appetite, IT was what made me hungry, so my body's natural 'hunger maker' went away. I could eat more than a little bit for atleast 4 days after quitting.
2. Attitude. After using it for a long period of time, you no longer are in the relaxed mood, and you act sort of like an asshole.
3. Weed cravings. Had em for atleast 2 weeks after I quit.

It IS physcially addictive, but it's not so bad that you can't go without it, but your body does get attached.

A friend I had that smoked for like years daily, when he quit he was sick for a week or so. After that he was fine though.
I used to be, until I tried it I'm clean and shit now though.

Don't you have to "need" something for it to be physically addictive. Never once did I need weed, although both you and I know we've "wanted" the high.

[Alex]

Right, because finding meaning in absolutely nothing and having a hardcore case of the munchies is my idea of a good time. I prefer to keep in a state where ugly ass buildings aren't amazing and beautiful. It's not some amazing revelation where you're discovering the inner beauty of everything, don't play it off as some miracle. You're high, get over it.

Don't play it off as having nothing better to do. Christ, I guess people just get into crack because they have nothing better to do as well, right?

I'm not playing it off as a miracle, where did I say that? It's a good feeling, thats it. A feeling I don't usually experience and that is why I enjoy it.
And I'm glad that's not your idea of a good time. I guess you're better than me. I'll listen to what you have to say and quit doing pot and become a copy of you, alright?
For me it's a good way to blow off stress and relax. I like it. I have it under control. I don't drink coffee, I don't smoke cigarettes, I don't drink alcohol more than one or twice a year. I smoke weed on a rare occasion and I always take less than anyone.

So why do you righteous snobs have to come in and insert your condescending comments on a topic that is completely irrelevant to you? Do you feel a moral obligation to tell everyone how superior you are because you reject weed? Oh ma gosh! Minus respect, you do weed, you must be lazy and stupid, I must help you get back to the path of righteousness by informing you of things you probably already know! I will be your savior!

Do you go down the street, see someone smoking and then tell him it's bad for him and he's pathetic for doing it? I don't think you do. Do you go to party and tell everyone there they are stupid for drinking alcohol? I dont think you do. Do you go to a fast food place and tell the fat people they need to lose weight? I do not think you do. Do you see me posting in the Neopets topics, and saying how sad it is that people over 16 years of age are playing such a game? No you don't because I'm not a condescending jackass and I realize it's NONE OF MY FUKING BUSINESS.

So please, stop being condescending jerks, stop making assumptions, and just go feel good about yourself somewhere else.

Edited by Alex, 29 August 2007 - 08:36 PM.

[Lawivido]

Yeah I was there with Alex. We smoked, kicked it, had fun. And I 100% agree with Alex's post up there. Took the words right out of my mouth.

[Dragon]

hopefully I will never try weed

Same applies for me

[Frizzle]

Alex, I suggest you ignore SL's double standards seeing as he will invisi/delete posts refering to weed, but yet let this topic, and Brandon/Pyke's topic about weed stay open.

Also Pyke, I don't see how you get off in telling people weed is stupid, when you've done it yourself.

[Frizzle]

If you actually read the topic Kitsune, he said spent about two weeks getting drunk and high. So basically, I wouldn't take advice of some teenage kid with a superiority issue over drugs and booze when he does it himself.

[Ives]

It does NOT do worse damage than cigarettes. Yes, there are more carcinogens, but THC seems to either delay or destroy the aging cells which can cause cancer. But unlike a cigarette, marijuana will get you high in a few hits if you have good enough weed, and you wont inhale nearly as much smoke. One of the smartest cookies when it comes to this subject is WarezHaxor, and he'll tell you that you get tar in your lungs if you smoke joints, not if you're smoking a pipe/water pipe. Yes, marijuana is overrated in my opinion, but just because he had a fun time doesn't mean you need bicker about it. For some people, getting high is boring and for others it makes them feel great. It's not a drug for everyone, thats for sure.

[Frizzle]

Well if you made any link towards Pyke's post in this topic, and the one in retired you'll know that my posts actually have relevance and make sense. I'd expect better from a law student to be honest.

[Christopher Robin]

go read a barking book.
its barked up and i've seen alot of my friends turn into barking morons cuz of it who dont even understand that im punching them.
kkthxbye

You don't know what you're talking about.
kthxbye.

Yeah we might not be able to but since Pykey's seen it I don't know. Maybe it's more about the SALE of drugs or hell I don't know xD

Anyways Trixx saying that weed isn't addictive or only does a little damage to the lungs is BS. There is both anti-drug and pro-drug propaganda. Saying weed isn't addictive or harmful is following that. Anything can be addictive. And weed especially is no exception. Sure it might not be as addictive as some prescription pain meds but it doesn't mean you won't get addicted to it. Also there may not be a physical addition but you can get addicted to the feeling that Alex described so it's very easy to do.

Also there was a study recently that showed that smoking weed DOES indeed harm the lungs.
http://news.bbc.co.u...mes/6922379.stm
Read this study. You'll see it's actually almost biased for the marijuana smokers and still comes out showing harmful results :\

It doesn't do damage to your lungs, much, if you don't do it too often... By addictive, I meant you can't get the "I'm addicted, I can't "not turn down" weed" addiction... like, if you don't feel like it, then you can say "nah, I'm good". But with other things, you MUST get it, if you're addicted... There's a difference between "addiction" and "choosing to do it".


I promote use of vaporizers for when people feel the urge to smoke stuff... VERY clean on the lungs, and you need less weed to get high. ANY smoke will do damage to your lungs, but weed isn't all that bad. I agree, my "little damage to the lungs" comment as being biased, but compare the yearly damage on cigarette users lungs, and the yearly damage on cannabis users lungs, and I'm sure the damage is less. Not saying weed is damage free, but when you compare it to other things people do, it's not the devil's little helper.

alright... smoking ANYTHING is going to cause lung damage, the legality of the herb being smoked is irrelevant to the damage caused to your lungs. Not to mention, there are numerous ways to help reduce the risks associated with smoking. Smoking through a cold water filter device such as a bong is an excellent way to help filter out toxins as THC is not water soluble, especially not in cold water. Another excellent method is to smoke very very potent cannabis, as you smoke less plant material for the same effects, thus causing less damage to your lungs. On another note, although I am lacking a citation for this notation, I do believe simply living in a major city like San Francisco that is infested with smog is also horrible for your lungs.

Secondly,

I thought you weren't a moderator....

Thirdly,
Smoking cannabis isn't going to turn you into a bumbling idiot overnight. Granted, people who do smoke daily may seem like idiots, but that can not be attributed solely to the smoking of cannabis. There is a distinct possibility that idiots are more apt to smoke and partake in that lifestyle than those more educated (Possibly for fear of legal action.)

Fourthly,
It is not any of your place to tell Alex what he can and can not ingest and do in his spare time. He had an interesting experience and wanted to share. I don't think he would've gotten the same reaction had he said he drank a few beers and experienced the same. I feel there is some serious moral snobbery going around, and that everyone should reexamine their own lifestyle choices and what they ingest before they condemn others for their choices.

Fifthly,
Yeah alex... I feel you... I've experienced things like that before... but you have to realize that the building is always like that... you've just always been too far in your previous mindset to notice how beautiful the earth really is without all the human alterations. Take your time and relax, and I promise you can achieve the same things in a sober mindset.

Lastly,
PLUR. (Peace. Love. Unity. Respect.)

Cody

Thank you >_< Noone will listen to me

yes it's absolutely possible to achieve that sense of feeling of awe when your sober

simple errors judgment done frequently will eventually lead to disaster, you may not notice it until it's too late...

edit:

okay i read cody's rant and i sounded kind of mean so i deleted those parts i agree with him at the end
smoking once if you can get past the nasty disgusting taste of the first part and then you experience the oblivion I GUESS... wouldn't be so bad of an experience... but i still think it can have a potential to destroy your life

as for drinking... i don't think most people get high after getting drunk... i'm pretty sure they get sluggish... and addiction to drinking is more of mental type rather than a need for a chemical type so that's probably why it gets that much less of a bad reaction to

i've never smoked and i'm never gonna smoke... but your life you can do whatever you want with it

I think weed won't destroy your life. I guess there's the odd case, like with everything... But I don't see it doing any major damage to anyone ;o

Alright, once again, I'm all for weed, but I don't like when people don't know that much about the drug..

By short term, they mean you lose your short term memory, not you lose your memory for a short term. Although it's not permanent damage, the only way of getting your short term memory back is quiting for good.

It does a lot of damage to the lungs, not just little. Worst then cigarettes. Only reason why most people say it isn't worst then cigarettes is because no ones going to smoke 20 joints in a day, compared to cigs.

Um... you get your short term memory back soon, actually...

if you take in any sort of smoke it will damage your lungs to an extent, the major contributor in cigarettes is the tar wherein the bud of marijuana tar it is absent.

Yeh... there's SOME tar in bud, isn't there?

I THOUGHT, don't quote me on it though, that there was tar in weed leaves, but you don't even smoke the leaf... except what's mixed with your bud...

Alex, I suggest you ignore SL's double standards seeing as he will invisi/delete posts refering to weed, but yet let this topic, and Brandon/Pyke's topic about weed stay open.

Don't you love double standards?

It does NOT do worse damage than cigarettes. Yes, there are more carcinogens, but THC seems to either delay or destroy the aging cells which can cause cancer. But unlike a cigarette, marijuana will get you high in a few hits if you have good enough weed, and you wont inhale nearly as much smoke. One of the smartest cookies when it comes to this subject is WarezHaxor, and he'll tell you that you get tar in your lungs if you smoke joints, not if you're smoking a pipe/water pipe. Yes, marijuana is overrated in my opinion, but just because he had a fun time doesn't mean you need bicker about it. For some people, getting high is boring and for others it makes them feel great. It's not a drug for everyone, thats for sure.

I read somewhere that thc surrounded cancer cells or something, to slow growth? Or that was what it was compared to.

Vaporizers are better than bongs, anyways.



Alex, check your PM's.

[Squishee]

So that is how marijuana is, I always wondered but never wanted to try and I didn't bother to ask. It seems like fun, but not for me.

[Sean]

So that is how marijuana is, I always wondered but never wanted to try and I didn't bother to ask. It seems like fun, but not for me.

Not always. It really depends on your body and your setting. Many people are very paranoid when they are high. Don't smoke, it's not good for you. xD

[Frizzle]

Well to be honest, I wouldn't take any superiority issues of an ex-weed user about weed. He acts like he's the better person for not doing it, yet he's done it in the past so that makes him no better. He must understand that probably over 90% of people try weed in their life, just like him, me, various on the boards, our parents and probably our grandparents. Yet he still feels the need to act the bigger man, when he's not. Just grinds my gears.

Also, I thought a law student, someone who's obviously smarter then the average bear would be able to figure that out. (Although I guess you could of just bought you way into Uni, although that's unlikely.)

12!

[pyke]

I'm not playing it off as a miracle, where did I say that? It's a good feeling, thats it. A feeling I don't usually experience and that is why I enjoy it.
And I'm glad that's not your idea of a good time. I guess you're better than me. I'll listen to what you have to say and quit doing pot and become a copy of you, alright?
For me it's a good way to blow off stress and relax. I like it. I have it under control. I don't drink coffee, I don't smoke cigarettes, I don't drink alcohol more than one or twice a year. I smoke weed on a rare occasion and I always take less than anyone.

So why do you righteous snobs have to come in and insert your condescending comments on a topic that is completely irrelevant to you? Do you feel a moral obligation to tell everyone how superior you are because you reject weed? Oh ma gosh! Minus respect, you do weed, you must be lazy and stupid, I must help you get back to the path of righteousness by informing you of things you probably already know! I will be your savior!

Do you go down the street, see someone smoking and then tell him it's bad for him and he's pathetic for doing it? I don't think you do. Do you go to party and tell everyone there they are stupid for drinking alcohol? I dont think you do. Do you go to a fast food place and tell the fat people they need to lose weight? I do not think you do. Do you see me posting in the Neopets topics, and saying how sad it is that people over 16 years of age are playing such a game? No you don't because I'm not a condescending jackass and I realize it's NONE OF MY FUKING BUSINESS.

So please, stop being condescending jerks, stop making assumptions, and just go feel good about yourself somewhere else.

If you like it, that's fine. Never said I was better than you at any point. I'm just saying you are hugely over glorifying being high. It's like... a few hours of a good feeling, it doesn't transform the world into a beautiful serene wonderland.

I'm also sure you have better things to do, so don't use that excuse. Stresed out? I'll buy that. Though I think unless it's totally out of your hands, you'd probably be better off trying to fix what is stressing you out. Can't always be high to avoid your problems right?

I'm not trying to lead you onto a path of any sorts. You're smart enough to figure shit out for yourself. I just don't think there is a reason to be talking about pot like it brings about a hidden beauty of life.

Alex, I suggest you ignore SL's double standards seeing as he will invisi/delete posts refering to weed, but yet let this topic, and Brandon/Pyke's topic about weed stay open.

Also Pyke, I don't see how you get off in telling people weed is stupid, when you've done it yourself.

I didn't say it was stupid at any point. Just not half as glorious as he was making it sound. As you've pointed out several times in this topic, I've smoked weed on several occasions. I think this is a rather disproportionate account of what is actually going through someones head as they are high.

[Frizzle]

Depends on the indivdiual, the potency and the strength of the weed and what it's cut with. Just because you Canadians get shit weed, doesn't mean the Jamaicans or the Africans get shit weed. It also depends on what it's laced with as well and what your personal dealer cuts it down with it.

[pyke]

Depends on the indivdiual, the potency and the strength of the weed and what it's cut with. Just because you Canadians get shit weed, doesn't mean the Jamaicans or the Africans get shit weed. It also depends on what it's laced with as well and what your personal dealer cuts it down with it.

Wouldn't getting something like that (unless it's laced with something stronger, in which case this isn't a topic about weed!) be more expensive as the quality was greater? Just an actual inquiry, I've no clue. If Alex is seeing wonderland AND smoking less than everyone else, I'm guessing it's not run of the mill.

[Frizzle]

Again it always depends on the individual, I mean I remember we was smoking some weed and we saw an Island in the sky. It wasn't an actual island, but the way the shapes formed made a perfect island, with a lake, some woods and etc in the sky.

It was just the way the THC had effected us aswell as the fact we wasn't used to smoking weed compared to now and the lighting and angle we was looking at. If I stuck you in a 4x4 plain white wall room with nothing to look at do for 4 hours whilst on weed, you'd be bored right?

Depends on your surroundings.

And yes you can get more powerful types of weed, Skunk is usually quite strong (don't listen to the media, it doesn't make you paranoid or want to kill your family according to tabloid media) but cost a bit more.

As I've heard, American and Canadian weed is quite mellow compared to German and English weed, which is bark all compared to Jamaican and Dutch weed.

[RandomNameIgnoreIt]

I've argued too much in topics like these at this place so just remember the threads from the past and pretend I said the same thing here. I haven't the time!

[Frizzle]

Jar me heartys!

[Christopher Robin]

As I've heard, American and Canadian weed is quite mellow compared to German and English weed, which is bark all compared to Jamaican and Dutch weed.

I'm not like... an expert on different strains or anything, but when I light up, I always just want to chill out, lie down, and think about the stupid shit that pops into mind... and then get to more important stuff and just think a bit more xD Except less thinking, more letting my mind run free. Note that I want to do all this while almost asleep. But lately, what I've been getting, makes me want to walk around and do stuff xD Whatever... it's all good.

[Ives]

As I've heard, American and Canadian weed is quite mellow compared to German and English weed, which is bark all compared to Jamaican and Dutch weed.

Canadian is. America is just as good depending on who you get it from, but it costs more than if you were to get a slightly lower quality degree from Europe. Some of the best weed comes from North Africa, patic in the Mediterannean area.

[Blind]

I'm 15 and i smoke weed. I have been smoking bud for almost 2 years now. Weed it self is not addicting. The feeling that weed gives you is addicting and that is what people get addicted to, then they want more and go to other drugs (weed = gateway drug). And if you don't like it don't do it and don't rag on other people for doing it . But anyways enough preaching.

My last high memory i was making a sig listening to No Quarter by Led Zeppelin (good song to listen to when high). And this is what it came out to be .




Trust me it looked better when i was high

Edited by Blind, 31 August 2007 - 08:00 PM.

[Gnome]

Marijuana isn't a gateway drug. I used to feel sick because I got too high.

[Sean]

As I've heard, American and Canadian weed is quite mellow compared to German and English weed, which is bark all compared to Jamaican and Dutch weed.

You've obviously never smoked anything in America. In Southern California, you got stuff from all over the freakin place. There is stuff that will take you a while to get high, or other stuff that is that one-hitter-quitter =P

Then you got your stress, and your chronic:
Stress makes me feel like shit. I smoke a little bit and I feel like I'm going to die, I feel sick to my stomach, and all I want to do is sleep. I can only smoke a little bit.
Chronic gives you a happy high. You are more upbeat and more silly. You are still able to function. I can smoke sooo much of this shit and still be functional, just more high. In saying that, I just don't remember anything that I do after smoking 2gs or so of some chronic.

I still don't smoke. It was a phase for me.

[redlion]

you guys sure do know how to kill a topic, don't ya?

Stop ragging on people who choose to smoke.

Stop trying to convince people that smoking isn't that bad... (especially without any reputable sources to back your findings...)
Alright... so a good majority of that... I'm going to have to call bullshit on... I love you lee... but you should know better... unless things go down differently in the UK... then we've got some issues.

Primarily, people aren't going to lace their pot with anything... First, very few things could be smoked off of marijuana at that temperature and can be taken in... not to mention be of size and have a proper temperature that they burn at... they're also not going to spend more money to add shit to their weed when they can just sell it as is.

Cutting their weed down with stuff...? That sounds ridiculous too... although I'm sure it could happen... and has before... if you know your dealer, they won't try to rip you off.

Thirdly, there are strains that are simply better... they are either grown in better conditions or have gone through proper hybridization to allow for maximum THC content.

And to Sean about it being physically addictive... you are wrong.

It IS mentally addictive... but not physically. Your body isn't going to go into a seizure if you don't have it... you aren't going to pass out from going without it.... opiates, like heroin, or some benzodiazepines withdrawal can and will lead to vomiting, seizure, and even death.

blahblahblah... I don't have the energy to rant any further as I'm sitting at home and suffering from pneumonia... so yeah. Take it easy everyone.

PLUR

You're right of course, but you haven't fully explained.

For instance lee. There is no ingrained difference between the potency of where a plant is grown. Owing primarily to the fact that the best cannabis is usually grown indoors now, the innate climate and soil diversities of our two continents have nothing to do with how strong our ganja is. However, I will say that the Amsterdam crowd do have slightly better stuff on average, and like Athean said, good weed costs slightly more in the states and the rest of Europe compared to Amsterdam and Jamaica. I had some that was grown in Socal, man I never wanted to smoke anything else ever again. the thing is, the potency of the weed out in Cali is higher on average than here in Texas, but the prices remain virtually the same. I guess owing to the fact that the supply is larger and partially legal, but whatever.

[Charmender]

Diff regions do have better weed, as they make diff strains, but if you have a good enough dealer then you can get it anyway.

Also cody things can be cut in the weed, especially in soap bar and shit, but thats nasty and shouldnt be smoked.
And as for lacing, there has been several ¨Glassed weed¨ things on the news, so yah that happens also as the silicon glass adds weight and makes it look crystally as shit