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#1 Nick

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Posted 13 October 2007 - 02:07 PM

I have no words really to describe this movie. It's about Evangelical Christians, and, inevitably, anyone who sees this and is not an Evangelical Christian will be bewildered at how insane some of the sermons are and how they force feed their children with their "god-approved" propaganda. If you haven't seen it yet, I highly suggest you do. Hopefully, it will open up your eyes to this other side of life that seems impossible to believe.

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    #2 Sweeney

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    Posted 13 October 2007 - 04:21 PM

    Yeah, I watched it the other day.
    Frankly, it's terrifying 1we8.gif

    #3 Squishee

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    Posted 13 October 2007 - 10:03 PM

    I saw part of it when I was with my boyfriend at movie rental place. I was a little freaked out. I told my boyfriend, I wouldn't want to send my child there. I personally would feel very worried and uncomfortable there.

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    Posted 13 October 2007 - 11:15 PM

    i remember bill maher debating last year, never got around to seeing it. is it airing on TV, or by chance did you catch it online? if so plwase lnink

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    Posted 14 October 2007 - 07:30 AM

    i know someone who owns this, i should try to borrow it.

    #6 outsidedream86

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    Posted 14 October 2007 - 07:44 AM

    As crazy as those people seem, I know a lot people that are like that sad.gif . You can't try to argue logically with them either, because logic is just a trick of the devil.

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    Posted 14 October 2007 - 10:35 AM

    I haven't seen the DVD but...every religion has its extremists? Would you say these people are extremist? I don't know...

    I'm sure we all know that Islam has it's crazies...and people of the Jewish faith have their crazies too...and so do Christians...Just everyone has their own crazies tongue.gif.

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    Posted 14 October 2007 - 01:27 PM

    lol, Hydro...
    How does knowing that there's more of these people make it less scary? tongue.gif

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    Posted 14 October 2007 - 02:24 PM

    QUOTE(Hydrogen @ Oct 14 2007, 02:35 PM) View Post
    I haven't seen the DVD but...every religion has its extremists? Would you say these people are extremist? I don't know...

    I'm sure we all know that Islam has it's crazies...and people of the Jewish faith have their crazies too...and so do Christians...Just everyone has their own crazies tongue.gif.

    Wait a minute. The American Government lied to me? Are you saying, that you, a one "Faraazs Sherawalzieah"(I can't spell your damn name.) are NOT a terrorist?

    BTW. Get a name change. To something American. Like "Joe Somebody", or "John Smith".

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    Posted 14 October 2007 - 02:54 PM

    QUOTE(Hydrogen @ Oct 14 2007, 12:35 PM) View Post
    I haven't seen the DVD but...every religion has its extremists? Would you say these people are extremist? I don't know...

    I'm sure we all know that Islam has it's crazies...and people of the Jewish faith have their crazies too...and so do Christians...Just everyone has their own crazies tongue.gif.

    Exactly. Urban saying anyone who is not an Evangelical Christian will be bewildered is stereotypical and WRONG. Saying that these are run of the mill Evangelical Christians is completely stereotypical. We are nothing like this whatsoever. Making kids speak in tongues is sick and a practice almost never followed. These are extremists and should be treated as Hydro said like the extremist Muslims of Islam. They're insane, not the norm. Evangelical Christians have a bad name because of these people, yes. But Muslims also have a bad name because of terrorists. It isn't fair to say what you did at all and it's very intolerant :\

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    Posted 14 October 2007 - 08:55 PM

    Ok. 16 minutes in. I've already had a few good laughs. "If you look at Creationism, it's the only possible answer." Made me start rolling. Hahahaha.

    Also. The bit about global warming. I think they must have taken an online course for "Thermodynamics and You". Yeah, 0.6 isn't much of a different. Hell. Ice will freeze at 32.6 degrees if we say "0.6 degrees doesn't matter."

    I'll update as I watch more...

    "Who's in tha house?!? JC!"

    OMFG! HARRY POTTER IS THE ENEMY OF GOD!?!?!?!?!?!

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    Posted 14 October 2007 - 09:11 PM

    QUOTE(Cataliste @ Oct 15 2007, 12:55 AM) View Post
    Ok. 16 minutes in. I've already had a few good laughs. "If you look at Creationism, it's the only possible answer." Made me start rolling. Hahahaha.

    Also. The bit about global warming. I think they must have taken an online course for "Thermodynamics and You". Yeah, 0.6 isn't much of a different. Hell. Ice will freeze at 32.6 degrees if we say "0.6 degrees doesn't matter."

    I'll update as I watch more...

    "Who's in tha house?!? JC!"

    OMFG! HARRY POTTER IS THE ENEMY OF GOD!?!?!?!?!?!

    Him and the Expelliarmus spell seemingly have no limit these days.

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    Posted 14 October 2007 - 09:46 PM

    I have decided all men appearing on this show are chil molesters. They look just like tham, and they hug little boys WAY too much...


    I keep hearing the word "train". I train a dog to fetch. I do not train him to worship me. I think "training" people to worship Jesus and to "train" others is just barking wrong...

    I am TRULY in awe... NEARLY lost for words. That is BLATANT brainwashing. Children that young are very mailable, very easily manipulated. That's what those people are doing. It is utterly disgusting and only further strengthens my Atheism.

    If I am wrong, and there is a God. I sincerely hope to see people like her burning in hell right beside me....

    #14 Akira

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    Posted 15 October 2007 - 04:46 AM

    Yeah....watched this with my dad, actually. Something about manipulative brainwashing is disgusting. I don't know what's worse: the kids being forced to do that stuff, or the parents who made the decision to send their kids there. But do you notice how this didn't really startle the masses as it should have? That's because people were too busy saying 'that's just the extremists, normal evangelicals are NOTHING like that'. True as that may or may not be, it's a diversion. By saying that, people calm down about the situation and FORGET that the extremists still exist. If someone is making a child speak in tongues, and then someone else says 'well, not ALL evangelicals do that', then it somehow becomes okay? Not really. This sort of crap needs to be stopped; let the children decide for themselves.

    My dad was raised Catholic, and he went to one of those crazy Catholic schools with evil nuns...I'll share two stories that he shared with me:

    The nun was standing at the chalkboard, and she drew a circle on the board. "This is your soul...and this is a mark of sin." She drew a line through it. "And this is." She drew another line. "AND THIS IS!" She snapped and started forcibly striking several lines across the circle while shouting, terrifying the little kids.

    A nun walked into the room with some various Catholic 'merchandise'. "But you can save yourself from sin, if you accept the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost." My dad picked up one of the trinkets: a necklace that had a picture of the Virgin Mary. Supposedly, if he were to wear this around his neck, even if he did not confess his sins he would still go to heaven, regardless of whatever sin he committed. I guess that made him become a quiet sort of atheist right there, because he immediately thought 'wasn't Hitler Catholic?'.

    My point is that every religion has a nasty side. It's just up to you if you ignore it or not. I knew that this crazy Christian stuff was happening in the country quite a while back...but tell that to ANY Christian and they'll go nuts. It's just not right to them, to be told that yes, even their religion has nut jobs, whackos, and evil people.

    Edited by Akira, 15 October 2007 - 04:52 AM.


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    Posted 15 October 2007 - 03:48 PM

    QUOTE(NOFX - Jesusland)
    We call the heartland not very smart land, IQ's are very low but threat levels are high
    They got a mandate, they don't want man-dates, they got so many hates and people to despise

    In the dust bowl, cerebral black hole, the average weight is well over 200 pounds
    I hate to generalize, but have you seen the thighs, most haven't seen their genitalia in a while

    Maybe that's why they're so scared of us
    Their Jealous cause we're having better sex

    Queers, transgends, and lesbians, vegans and vegetarians
    All you brownish red and yellow ones come and join us on the coast

    No longer svelte, they gotta punch new holes in the Bible belt
    They've blown out the fire under the melting pot, the red blood of America is starting to clot
    No compromise, no sight through others' eyes, they're just flies spreading pieces of shit
    You gotta emigrate, stop living in hate, what makes this country great is dwelling on either side

    They don't want visitors in Jesusland
    They want life canned and bland in the fatherland

    We want people with college degrees, drug use experience and STD's
    People with open-minded philosophies, come hug California trees
    Cultural revolution now, neo-conservatives run outta town
    We're gonna burn Orange County down,
    And then we're off to Riverside, Bakersfield and Fresno too, then we're coming after you

    The fear stricken, born again Christian, they got a vision a homogenized state
    Textbook decline, Intelligent Design
    They got Bill Nye on the list to execrate.

    They don't want visitors in Jesusland
    They want life canned and bland in the fatherland

    Punk Rockers versuz emo kids, people doing things the church forbids
    Buddhists, agnostics, and atheists we're moving out of jesusland
    Art students and thespians, excluding country, all the musicians
    We want all hookers and comedians, nihilists are welcome too

    No longer svelte, they gotta punch new holes in the Bible belt


    You know where to find it if you want to listen.

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    Posted 15 October 2007 - 04:32 PM

    QUOTE(Kitsune @ Oct 15 2007, 08:17 PM) View Post
    Brilliant lyrics, not a particularly suited sound when you actually hear the song.

    I saw a clip of this on the news a couple months ago. To say it's scary is an understatement, and I'm surprised authorities haven't interjected yet. Free speech should only extend until it inflicts on others, and those kids have not been given a chance to think any different.

    While I think everyone is entitled to believe what they want, I do not believe in their attempts to inflict their beliefs on others, and this is where authorities should be drawing the line.

    Diss NOFX aagain, and thou shalt die...

    #17 Cataliste

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    Posted 15 October 2007 - 04:47 PM

    QUOTE(Kitsune @ Oct 15 2007, 08:44 PM) View Post
    Each to their own Cata. And I like their lyrics, that counts for something.

    But they been punk rockers for like 15 years. They are like the #1 selling artist on an indie label! Pusha. What do you say is better than they?

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    Posted 15 October 2007 - 04:50 PM

    QUOTE(Kitsune @ Oct 15 2007, 08:17 PM) View Post
    Brilliant lyrics, not a particularly suited sound when you actually hear the song.

    yea agreed, the song is sang horribly and it's a shame that the lyrics are wasted on such a bad track :\

    Edited by nox, 15 October 2007 - 04:51 PM.


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    Posted 15 October 2007 - 04:55 PM

    NOFX rawks. tongue.gif

    "Hey kids!
    Hey dad!
    What do you wanna do today?
    We don't know!
    Do you wanna go to the matinee?
    No!
    Do you wanna go to the amusement park?
    No!
    Do you wanna go to the punk rock show?
    Yeah!! Let's go to the punk rock show!"

    <3

    #20 Cataliste

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    Posted 15 October 2007 - 06:00 PM

    QUOTE(Kitsune @ Oct 15 2007, 09:50 PM) View Post
    I unfortunately don't know music well enough to counter that. I know music theory but I am not able to do comparisons about which is a better group.
    I think it could been sung a lot better, it felt like it required a soft but rough voice, not the harsh punk vocal... it just didn't fit the lyrics nor what the lyrics represented either.

    Music fact (not theory): NoFx is Jesus/Paul/Simon returned.

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    Posted 15 October 2007 - 06:14 PM

    QUOTE(Cataliste @ Oct 15 2007, 09:32 PM) View Post
    Diss NOFX aagain, and thou shalt die...

    Aren't they just another whiny band? tongue.gif

    QUOTE(Kitsune @ Oct 15 2007, 10:50 PM) View Post
    I unfortunately don't know music well enough to counter that. I know music theory but I am not able to do comparisons about which is a better group.
    I think it could been sung a lot better, it felt like it required a soft but rough voice, not the harsh punk vocal... it just didn't fit the lyrics nor what the lyrics represented either.

    I'd rate them below Elton John. Bwahaha!

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    Posted 15 October 2007 - 07:24 PM

    QUOTE(Tetiel @ Oct 14 2007, 06:54 PM) View Post
    Exactly. Urban saying anyone who is not an Evangelical Christian will be bewildered is stereotypical and WRONG. Saying that these are run of the mill Evangelical Christians is completely stereotypical. We are nothing like this whatsoever. Making kids speak in tongues is sick and a practice almost never followed. These are extremists and should be treated as Hydro said like the extremist Muslims of Islam. They're insane, not the norm. Evangelical Christians have a bad name because of these people, yes. But Muslims also have a bad name because of terrorists. It isn't fair to say what you did at all and it's very intolerant :\


    Every Evangelical Christian that I have ever met (besides you) has had similar beliefs to the ones expressed in this movie (maybe not speaking in tongues, but many of the same beliefs). My grandparents are Evangelical Christians and they are pretty much along the same lines.

    Sorry if I offended you.

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    Posted 15 October 2007 - 11:25 PM

    QUOTE(Cataliste @ Oct 15 2007, 07:00 PM) View Post
    Music fact (not theory): NoFx is Jesus/Paul/Simon returned.
    I've never heard of them?

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    Posted 16 October 2007 - 03:00 AM

    QUOTE(Urban @ Oct 15 2007, 10:24 PM) View Post
    Every Evangelical Christian that I have ever met (besides you) has had similar beliefs to the ones expressed in this movie (maybe not speaking in tongues, but many of the same beliefs). My grandparents are Evangelical Christians and they are pretty much along the same lines.

    Sorry if I offended you.

    It's fine but all that Evangelical means is 'spreading the word' It's the mission all Christians are meant to do. Evangelicals are given a bad name because of pricks like this but in reality we're like any other Christian. I think it's unfortunate you've known so many extremists. :\ I'm sorry your view of Christianity has been spoiled by them because it's really not right. Extremists like this give the normal guys (people like me and my congregation) a really bad name. Heck my congregation's more conservative than others and we think these guys are insane.

    #25 Akira

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    Posted 16 October 2007 - 03:34 AM

    I know an Evangelical that likes to call me stupid and evil in a nice way...I think he's changed the definition of hell three times since I talked to him. First, it was all sinners that went to hell. Then, there were different levels of hell (so I would be tortured -less- than a murderer), then, it was -God's- decision who went to hell (so I was going to heaven?). Strange fellow; I call him Evie ^-^

    My problem with the Evie's of the world is that -almost- all of them are evil in some sort of way, like the Jesus Camp people or Jerry Falwell, some are nice but mean, like Evie, and some are normal, like Tetiel. It's the normal ones that I give a thumbs up to, because they some how manage to not spend 90% of their lives pissing me off like the former two do o.O

    On a side note, my Betta Fish is going crazy with his bubble nest, haha...


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