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[Fatal]

So being dead tired and sleeping in class is better?

[illicit]

So being dead tired and sleeping in class is better?

If you had a decent night's sleep or a decent breakfast you won't be sleeping or dead tired. Before I was home schooled I would get about 5 hours of sleep per night, and have no breakfast, and be perfectly wide awake and alert during all my classes with the Orange Juice I bought from the cafeteria in the morning.

I personally would much rather drink the Orange/Apple juice they sold than a soda. Even the chocolate milks were pretty yummy XD

Edited by illicit, 17 October 2007 - 05:10 PM.

[Grizzly]

I realized that some seniors are 18 years old. So we're old enough to join the army and go to war, but not to drink soda.

[Fatal]

What a bullshit comparison. I'm sick of people using that as it's an entirely different set of responsibilities involved. In terms of your schooling, soda, caffeine and sugar is simply not going to help you learn or function.
Being stupid enough to choose to go and fight in a war has nothing to do with a decision by older adults to ensure your learning environment is the best it can be.

everyone that is in the military is stupid?

If you had a decent night's sleep or a decent breakfast you won't be sleeping or dead tired. Before I was home schooled I would get about 5 hours of sleep per night, and have no breakfast, and be perfectly wide awake and alert during all my classes with the Orange Juice I bought from the cafeteria in the morning.

I personally would much rather drink the Orange/Apple juice they sold than a soda. Even the chocolate milks were pretty yummy XD

not everybody can do that, I get 4:30-5:30 of sleep a night and I randomly fall asleep in most of my classes

I realized that some seniors are 18 years old. So we're old enough to join the army and go to war, but not to drink soda.

heh yea, we can die in a war and kill people in a war before alcohol too

I believe that when you are in school your mind should be in school too, not on a caffiene buzz, which studies do show is counter productive.

nothing isnt saying you cant have soda when you get home from school either...

also I was just thinking... caffeine buzz? 34.5mg of caffeine in a 12oz can of coke, 34.5mg isnt much, the energy drinks they sell can have more. So that definitely isnt a legit reason for not having soda IMO

[Grizzly]

What a bullshit comparison. I'm sick of people using that as it's an entirely different set of responsibilities involved. In terms of your schooling, soda, caffeine and sugar is simply not going to help you learn or function.
Being stupid enough to choose to go and fight in a war has nothing to do with a decision by older adults to ensure your learning environment is the best it can be.

It obviously does involve a different set of responsibilities. I'm simply comparing the two in terms of magnitude. It requires much more responsibility to involve yourself in war than it does to decide to intake too much sugar. If we are allowed to make the decision of the former, older adults should allow us to make the decision of the latter. It's just logic, that's why that comparison is always made.

Yes. It takes no kind of intelligence to fight a war. It does however require a significant amount to prevent one and maintain a peaceful environment.
Any intelligence a person has who happens to be in the military may as well be a legally retarded for all it will help.

I will always value intelligence over brute strength to the extent where I look down upon those who reply on the latter in place of the former.

I think being in war requires a lot more than brute strength. In fact, the right mentality is a better quality than brute strength in my opinion. And some people make an intellectual decision to fight in war; it's so disrespectful to just assume otherwise.

[otherworld]

Over here all unhelathy things are banned from schools.

So they charge ridiculous prices for anything healthy. I mean £1 for a bottle of water anyone? I could go to he shop across the road and buy about 4 cheap bottles of coke for that. (Can but dont)

I prefer water to anything else, if they made things less expensive I would acually buy the water instead. Same pretty much applies to food.

[Noitidart]

Im for the ban. I personally don't drink sodas and it has helped my health IMMENSELY! Personally i think sodas should be "drink responsibly 21+" lol

[Sasha]

Ban soda? I nearly never drink soda, but I'm against banning it. Of course it's not healthy, but there are 1000 other unhealthy things that young people have access to daily. It can be a tasty treat once in a while... It's kind of extreme to ban soda from schools.

[moonscorch(thnx nox4 tag)]

my school only sold it before and after school. it was illegal during the day. i say keep it but its a little to late for that. more like bring it back.

[The Defier]

my school only sold it before and after school. it was illegal during the day. i say keep it but its a little to late for that. more like bring it back.

Yeah, my grade school/elementary was like that too.

Out of topic but anyone else from the Philippines here?

[NoodleMonster]

I think banning soda at schools is an absolutely pointless rule that just gives students less freedom and a higher chance of getting in trouble. It should be up to the student to decide how much is too much, and whether or not to decide to drink it or not. I personally go to a school that has about 3 rules total. My school gives students almost complete freedom, and trusts students to make good decisions for themselves. And face it, if students get more freedom, they'll learn to make better decisions. It has worked extremely well in my school. Everybody is nicer and students make good decisions and hardly get in trouble at all. Giving a student a right to drink soda in school gives a student a better decision-making ability, and thus, a better brighter future. Now let's all get dirty and molest some hedge hogs . (jk of course)

Well for those of you in the US, you should know soda was banned from all schools in a lot of states 3 years ago, do you think they should allow soda, or keep the ban on soda in schools?


My view on this is, they took out the soda, and replaced it with something almost as bad or worse (the energy drinks they sell). They're still full of sugar and have even more sodium than the soda's did, so I think this is pointless, US really doesnt seem so free anymore, We have the safety police making sure we dont harm ourselves at all times and it gets annoying

You are sooo right about the US not being as free anymore. I've tried to convince so many people that. We should be able to harm ourselves if we want. It just gives us more freedom for the lovin

[Chris]

its a good way to make a profit... but i guess it promotes people to drink unhealthily. oh well. i like it so allow

[Sida]

I wasn't allowed to drink anything fizzy in my primary school. If we were caught with cans of coke or anything similar, we had it taken off us. Although, that's probably their way of making us buy our drinks from them -.-

Obviously as soon as I moved out of primary school we could drink coke all we wanted.

[Ives]

I think banning soda at schools is an absolutely pointless rule that just gives students less freedom and a higher chance of getting in trouble. It should be up to the student to decide how much is too much, and whether or not to decide to drink it or not. I personally go to a school that has about 3 rules total. My school gives students almost complete freedom, and trusts students to make good decisions for themselves. And face it, if students get more freedom, they'll learn to make better decisions. It has worked extremely well in my school. Everybody is nicer and students make good decisions and hardly get in trouble at all. Giving a student a right to drink soda in school gives a student a better decision-making ability, and thus, a better brighter future. Now let's all get dirty and molest some hedge hogs . (jk of course)
You are sooo right about the US not being as free anymore. I've tried to convince so many people that. We should be able to harm ourselves if we want. It just gives us more freedom for the lovin

Exactly. If you give the government the right to say, ban sodas, they end up screwing it all up. If a school wants to ban it, thats fine (mind I think all schools should be private and voluntary, paid for by a universal voucher system). But government shouldnt ban anything really. They've got a couple jobs to do, and they need to keep with that. If a kid is smart enough to drink a soda, he's smart enough to understand the correlation between soda consumption, and health/productivity.

Im for the ban. I personally don't drink sodas and it has helped my health IMMENSELY! Personally i think sodas should be "drink responsibly 21+" lol

A-Men to the part about health. They make me bloated, and they taste disgusting. Coke tastes like rust imo, and sprite is tolerable but it still makes me very, very bloated.

What a bullshit comparison. I'm sick of people using that as it's an entirely different set of responsibilities involved. In terms of your schooling, soda, caffeine and sugar is simply not going to help you learn or function.
Being stupid enough to choose to go and fight in a war has nothing to do with a decision by older adults to ensure your learning environment is the best it can be.

OK, understood. I think schools which ban sodas ARE more productive. Some of the correctional schools, they have healthy meals, and its been proven because of it those kids have functioned far better in school and adapt healthy lifestyle changes because of it. But do you think this justifies a school wide ban?

Yes. It takes no kind of intelligence to fight a war. It does however require a significant amount to prevent one and maintain a peaceful environment.
Any intelligence a person has who happens to be in the military may as well be a legally retarded for all it will help.

I will always value intelligence over brute strength to the extent where I look down upon those who reply on the latter in place of the former.

Wow.....no offense, but I think thats the most absurd comment I've ever read you post. A gross underestimation of intelligence.

I'm a non-interventionist, and I totally favor peacekeeping and using the military strictly for defense and relief, but just because the US is delusionally fighting in Iraq does not mean there is no intelligence behind it. There are people far more intelligent than you or I who do jobs which range from actually defending themselves to producing highly complicated machinery, to desk jobs which requires a massive understanding of history, political science, and anthropology to do what they do.

Just because somebody doesn't understand doesn't mean theyre and less intelligent. Hell, the most intelligent US Preisdent was Richard Nixon, and you know how he turned out. Delusional is the word you're looking for, not dumb.

Edited by Athean, 31 October 2007 - 12:15 PM.

[Ives]

No. It's one thing to have disdain, and its another to not only say that theres no intelligence behind it, but to justify it.

Though thats not the debate at hand. Otherwise I agree that peacekeeping is a far better solution than violence. What New Zealand, Switzerland, and Iceland have done is far more respectable than the States. So I would guess its just a matter of how deeply you believe in that compare to I, so for you to clarify would prove to be a time waster for the both of us.

Back to subject.....

[Sugarnspice]

I do think that pop should be allowed in schools, especially when kids hit high school. My school banned -regular- drinks...and put in diet drinks (which, studies show, are REALLY bad for you) and water with tons of sodium in them. But they've effectively created a "black market" of regular drinks, which shifts the money to individual kids as opposed to the school. What's funny is, the school right across the street (the middle school) has....regular drinks. So it's like they're saying "HEY! Drink as many regular drinks as you want!" then when you get to high school.. "OH MY GOODNESS! You're fat! Diet drinks time!!" 0_o it's a little ridiculous. And teens should be allowed to make their own choices. If you don't realize five cokes is unhealthy....you're probably never going to, but you shouldn't be...well, I suppose the term would be a "forced choice" in that you are essentially forced to drink diet as opposed to making the choice between diet and regular.

[PaTeRiShYa]

Well for those of you in the US, you should know soda was banned from all schools in a lot of states 3 years ago, do you think they should allow soda, or keep the ban on soda in schools?


My view on this is, they took out the soda, and replaced it with something almost as bad or worse (the energy drinks they sell). They're still full of sugar and have even more sodium than the soda's did, so I think this is pointless, US really doesnt seem so free anymore, We have the safety police making sure we dont harm ourselves at all times and it gets annoying

i can't relate here..why sodas are banned?whats with sodas?are they alcoholic?sorry know nothing in science ..

[Sweeney]

i can't relate here..why sodas are banned?whats with sodas?are they alcoholic?sorry know nothing in science ..

Where, out of interest, are you from?

[samoon]

i live in canada and we are allowed... doesn't cause any problems.. so i say yes allow!

[Ives]

I know I've already put my two cents in here, but just to reiterate: Kids to me are not commodities. They're more like little people. They can't do some things an adult can do, but if you treat them with respect and show them how to logically argue for their case, they have a tendency to be civil and will make good choices. School is already such a ridiculously repressive condition for children, and if you are going to send them to 12 years of prison, you should at least let them do as they please, and if you want to have a soda machine, then go for it. If you dont want to, thats fine too. Just don't use an excuse of being interested in the well being of the child. If you were interested in their well being, you wouldnt send them to an institution like that to have their hopes, dreams, and creativity pretty much die in most conditions.

[Mitch]

I don't think they should be allowed to control what goes into OUR bodies. It is OUR bodies after all. But we do attend THERE schools so they do have a say. Just my 2 cents.

[Cyo]

Just ban all the healthy stuff and nobody will want soda and burgers etc. and you American's will finally have your water and salad eating kids.

[Nine]

Nah, I'm sure they'd not only be eating more crap food, they'd be happy and bouncing off walls while parents are pissed and pulling their hair out.

I guess it's a good thing since it forces kids to drink an alternative, healthier drink if they can't stop or go to the store. I think it's good for the school to replace all that junk with healthy drinks and food. Also, it's not really that they're dictating what goes in your body, if they were gonna do that they wouldn't allow soda onto school grounds.

Unless, some schools won't allow you to bring soda onto school grounds, then that would surprise me. Maybe my school was just being nice.

[adonis]

First off caffine is a drug... a stimulant...and yes it would actually increase the ability of a student to focus in class,energy drinks average 2.5- 3.5x as much caffine as soda's, but it's not the issue to employ a ban.

Sugar...pffft again this really is an irrelavant issue as the fucking twinkies in the vending machine next to the energy drinks have an insane amount vs a soda.

Carbonation? eh doubt it's a health risk

A great many energy drinks contain Taurine which is a drug unregulated by the FDA. It is infact a powerfull stimulant that can have many adverse reactions including irregular heartbeat....so they ban soda's vs energy drinks hmm

Why do I have the mindset that the fact that soda products were banned from public school's had nothing to do with adverse health effects? Perhaps the fact that thier really is only 2 major softdrink bottling companies involved here in the U.S. Pepsi Co. and Coca~Cola. And they actually bid on the contracts to sell thier product in our schools. Part of that bidding is done in the grey area of campaign finace in essence polically lobbying thier support for a canidate to award them the contracts. Sometimes these contracts never have a counter bid from the other company, an earmark. The states that wrote the bill into law were in fact making an attempt to curtail unethical political practices.

Or maybe I am full of shit.........comming off a caffine crash atm so I fell kinda bleh w/e

[Sugarnspice]

i can't relate here..why sodas are banned?whats with sodas?are they alcoholic?sorry know nothing in science ..

Noo, soda isn't alcoholic...umm...where are you from? They're...basically...carbonated flavored water.