Where can I get an uncensored, unedited Bible?
#1
Posted 27 April 2008 - 10:31 PM
#2
Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:27 AM
you can read hebrew?
#3
Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:38 AM
I think the closest I've read is King James version. It's a little weird to read, though. I'm sure there's something closer
to what you want somewhere....
Oh yeah. Funny thing about the Bible that you may already know. It's mistranslated in many areas. One instance is the part where it says God "is a jealous god." That's actually supposed to be "zealous" god. One of my friends said that even a small
little speck of fly shit can change a word completely. O.O Who would have thought!
((I brought up with whole deal with God being "jealous"and he told me this.))
#4
Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:59 AM
#5
Posted 28 April 2008 - 05:37 AM
The Gnostics are infamous for adopting several different religions and making it their own. Fad religions if you will. They make stuff up and make it their own. The Gospel of Thomas is one of those examples. The controversy over the gospel of Judas a couple years back is of the same situation. I suppose what I'm saying is that there is no original bible unless you learn to read greek and hebrew. :\ As mentioned before there are translation errors among other things depending on the version.
Another great argument on why I believe you shouldn't take the bible literally, but instead actually read it for the message
#6
Posted 28 April 2008 - 06:16 AM
I meant one which he could actually understand. There's no such thing as an uncensored, unedited Bible (in English).
If I were being pedantic I would go so far as to say that even those original Greek ones are edited in some form or other.
#7
Posted 28 April 2008 - 06:16 AM
#8
Posted 28 April 2008 - 06:25 AM
I was referring to the original texts which those 25,000 copies were created from. It would be a bit silly to claim that somebody sat around editing 25,000 books now wouldn't it?
#9
Posted 28 April 2008 - 06:41 AM
#10
Posted 28 April 2008 - 06:49 AM
It's worth reading even if you don't believe in God imo. The stories are quite entertaining and can be used as moral stories for children, very much like Aesop's Fables.
#11
Posted 28 April 2008 - 06:53 AM
Why bother reading the Qu'ran at all? It's hard to understand (that might not be the case for you) and there's a ton of contradiction. Read something worth while =P
You are Muslim, right? So the Qu'ran is worthwhile for you to read. I am Christian and the Qu'ran is worthwhile for me to read because I can understand what you believe and there can be more understanding between our two religions.
#12
Posted 28 April 2008 - 07:03 AM
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Posted 28 April 2008 - 08:39 AM
#14
Posted 28 April 2008 - 10:54 AM
I am lower class. I know my place.
#15
Posted 28 April 2008 - 11:29 AM
#16
Posted 28 April 2008 - 12:17 PM
I have, did not like the book. Most recent book I finished was The Road by Cormac McCarthy, depressing piece of shite to be honest. 300 pages of sadness.
#17
Posted 28 April 2008 - 01:08 PM
You are Muslim, right? So the Qu'ran is worthwhile for you to read. I am Christian and the Qu'ran is worthwhile for me to read because I can understand what you believe and there can be more understanding between our two religions.
Fair enough. But I'm not really as pious as most muslims. I mean I only read the Q'uran when I'm comparing different things in Abrahamic religions. I started questioning some things in Q'uran so ya...
The post-apocalyptic genre is overdone.
#18
Posted 28 April 2008 - 01:15 PM
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Posted 28 April 2008 - 01:18 PM
#20
Posted 28 April 2008 - 01:37 PM
Depends on what you mean by word of god.
#21
Posted 28 April 2008 - 01:43 PM
I mean that literally as I consider my religious text the actual words of God unchanged and fully preserved. I also believe that the Bible has bits and pieces of the word of God and that it was once a pure book but through the changes of man kind we've lost the initial text. But that's just me . Perhaps I'll explain it fully at another date for any of those that don't already know.
#22
Posted 28 April 2008 - 02:20 PM
Not nessecarily, I think the Quran is considered to be the words of Muhammed as he heard it from the archangel Gabriel. And the Bible was written by people as they recounted it, even then there are different versions of the same story.
#23
Posted 28 April 2008 - 02:44 PM
I'm not here to argue the validity of the belief system, but were there not many different documents of the Quran, transcibed from oral tradition for at least a generation or two, before an Islamic prince destroyed all but one? I apologize if I've been misinformed, but it seems that this would mean that the Quran is the meaning of what Gabriel told Muhammad about Allah, rather than what Gabriel actually told Muhammad.
In Judaism and Christianity, the Old Testament can be verified through the Dead Sea Scrolls. If one compared the scrolls found and the Hebrew scripts of the Tanakh, they would be identical. As for the New Testament, certain portions of sermons from the first century were found that related much of the New Testament, so I would doubt it to be changed, and if it was, only to degree that the Quran may have been changed.
On the other hand, the Old and New Testament may have been originally written as falsehoods, but that's shaky territory. There isn't a secret document in a vault that would be able to prove that.
#24
Posted 28 April 2008 - 03:42 PM
In Judaism and Christianity, the Old Testament can be verified through the Dead Sea Scrolls. If one compared the scrolls found and the Hebrew scripts of the Tanakh, they would be identical. As for the New Testament, certain portions of sermons from the first century were found that related much of the New Testament, so I would doubt it to be changed, and if it was, only to degree that the Quran may have been changed.
On the other hand, the Old and New Testament may have been originally written as falsehoods, but that's shaky territory. There isn't a secret document in a vault that would be able to prove that.
Anyway, where you say the others were destroyed, I believe this references the ones which had verses deemed to be not actually part of the Qur'an from the results of that rigorous process above were removed.
While non-Muslims obviously hold different views on the Qur'an, part of a Muslim's belief and part of the articles of faith for the Islamic religion is that the Qur'an is the inerrant, uncontaminated and direct word of God. This is what Islam teaches, among other things .
Hope that clarifies things a little. Please forgive me if I've said anything wrong or if I've offended.
#25
Posted 09 June 2013 - 03:54 PM
I was told to try the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.
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