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[Gone]

http://sandrarose.co...sion-or-racism/

This sort of ties in to my earlier post about free speech. Was this man clearly expressing art or just a strange mind?
I just don't know what to say about this. I'm sort of speechless.

EDIT: There are some inappropriate images in the link that includes male genitalia,prejudice comments and racial memorabilia, viewers discretion is advised.

Edited by Frowlsar, 19 June 2008 - 12:08 PM.

[Melchoire]

The guy's a fucking retard for one thing but I think what the police did was wrong.

Edit: you might want to put a warning for the images

Edited by FlashGM, 19 June 2008 - 11:42 AM.

[Waser Lave]

That's not art... And I doubt the media has called anybody 'nappy headed hos' recently, especially not Obama's young daughters.

And giant black penis?

[emme80]

Police may have overreacted, bt in this day and age, you can't do stupid shit like that and get away with it.

[Quadra]

That's not art...

If it is not art then I ask what is. True enough the work may have been found to be morally objectionable but that does not mean it is not art. As a means for expression, art can be most anything. I can understand the police rational for their actions as the exhibit could be considered defamation but did it truly have to be so abruptly removed without due process?

Edited by Quadra, 19 June 2008 - 12:00 PM.

[Waser Lave]

If it is not art then I ask what is. True enough the work may have been found to be morally objectionable but that does not mean it is not art. As a means for expression, art can be most anything. I can understand the police rational for their actions as the exhibit could be considered defamation but did it truly have to be so abruptly removed without due process?

According to Tolstoy, real art is that which unites people both to each other and to the artist. Whatever this is it certainly doesn't unite people so I guess it's either not art at all or is what Tolstoy would call counterfeit art.

You could put a sticker on a KKK propaganda poster labeling it art but it would still just be plain racism...

[Mumei]

I think it is art, and as it's a criticism of the meadia - doesn't this show the racism of the media more than him - this was a 2 part show, only half of it was about obama, yet ALL the pics in the media was saying it's racism - it's controversial, but if you look at the whole thing, it's more about many jibes, not just the race card

http://www.theassass...aryclinton.com/
http://www.theassass...arackobama.com/

[Quadra]

According to Tolstoy, real art is that which unites people both to each other and to the artist. Whatever this is it certainly doesn't unite people so I guess it's either not art at all or is what Tolstoy would call counterfeit art.

You could put a sticker on a KKK propaganda poster labeling it art but it would still just be plain racism...

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True enough if anybody has the authority to comment on the nature of art it is Tolstoy but art's highly personal quality almost causes it to be ineligible for traditional definition. Just because it does not unite does not exclude it from the realm of art.

[Melchoire]

Art is a loose term now a days tbh, I still prefer the old fashioned paintings and sculptures

[Sweeney]

Was it "inciting racial hatred"?
No.

Ergo, the Police were in the wrong.

[Frizzle]

Was it "inciting racial hatred"?
No.

Ergo, the Police were in the wrong.

Who said they arrested him under that?

[Cyo]

who the fuck gives 2 shits

its just a black cock ther nobodys gon take dat sersly

[Nick]

Well, I have a few things to say. One, there are lot worse forms of racism occurring publically in the United States (ie. Westboro Baptist Church), yet the police aren't allowed to touch them. Second, what the police may have done was pathetic, but so is this "art exhibit." This is a failed artist's attempt at recognition - what I can see of the exhibit from the pictures makes it out to be poorly set up, hard to follow, and generally stupid.

Imo, who cares. A bad exhibit was shut down. Boo hoo.

[Rolf Lolren]

There's nothing at all wrong with what he did, people seem to look at the Obama section and get all flustered and offended, without even thinking about the Hilary section.

He was just having a dig at the media and people thought the art was a reflection upon himself.

Should have been left open tbh.

[Ives]

Westboro isn't racist nick. In fact, Fred Phelps was a civil attorney who defended black "wholesome Christians" because god hates "fags, not blacks."

[Amagius]

The government committed a crime. Simple.

[Causey02]

jena 6?

down here, if u put a noose up its racial and get a ticket or even jail.

[33724]

It is a violation of his rights. Nowhere in the bill of rights or constitution does it say you cannot display a penis. You thought i was going somewhere else didnt u?

[Breadfan]

My opinion

It's not art. Real art doesn't require someone to tell you "this is art"

Just like you shouldn't be yelling "Assassination of Hillary/Obama!" in the streets, you also shouldn't be painting it and placing it in the streets.


As for the big black wang... That's also not art. it's a wang.

[Sweeney]

My opinion

It's not art. Real art doesn't require someone to tell you "this is art"

Just like you shouldn't be yelling "Assassination of Hillary/Obama!" in the streets, you also shouldn't be painting it and placing it in the streets.


As for the big black wang... That's also not art. it's a wang.

And who are you to decree what is, and is not, art?
I'll give you a clue, noone.

And indeed, noone else has that right either.

[33724]

And who are you to decree what is, and is not, art?
I'll give you a clue, noone.

And indeed, noone else has that right either.

At the beginning of Breads post...he stated it was his opinion. And since it is his opinion and he has the right to decree whatever he may chose to, your trolling post has no relevance.

[Sweeney]

At the beginning of Breads post...he stated it was his opinion. And since it is his opinion and he has the right to decree whatever he may chose to, your trolling post has no relevance.

Opinions can still be right or wrong

[Breadfan]

And who are you to decree what is, and is not, art?
I'll give you a clue, noone.

And indeed, noone else has that right either.

Just posting my opinion, Maybe you have some sort of complex that requires you to belittle those who you don't agree with?

Anyway i was just going along with the forum, and I clearly stated at the beginning of my post that it was my opinion.

[Sweeney]

Just posting my opinion, Maybe you have some sort of complex that requires you to belittle those who you don't agree with?

Anyway i was just going along with the forum, and I clearly stated at the beginning of my post that it was my opinion.

*sigh*
If you're unable, or unwilling, to defend your posts and opinions from criticism, I suggest you stay out of the debating section.

[33724]

well in that case, art and beauty are not subject to the law of diminishing returns, that, with all due respect to the "only God can save us" admonition, it will be the arts, and not politics, that save us from ourselves, from human nature "tooth and claw."