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#1 Jeff

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Posted 30 August 2008 - 12:32 PM

Okay, I don't really want to ask for help about this, but I think it's what I need to do.

I'm sorry in advance if this topic turns out to be a wall of text. I have a lot on my mind right now and I need to talk about it. I'm also sorry if it gets confusing. But please, read this.

Okay, so basically I've liked this girl since 8th grade (I'm in 11th grade now). We've always been really good friends and stuff and I can tell her literally anything...anything. Anyways, we've always kind of had a 'thing'. Like whenever we're together we'll flirt and I guess it's pretty obvious, or so my friends tell me. The only problem is that she always has some other guy that she's thinking about. Like whenever I'm talking to her online or even with her in real life, you can tell she's texting or talking to some other guy that she likes, and it gets really annoying. This is the reason I always thought she didn't 'like like' me.

So then, a few nights ago a girl from my school had an end of the summer party. So I get a text the night before the party from this girl asking if I could give her a ride to the party, so I asked my friend who was driving me there and he said that he could. So the next day we go pick her up, she's looking really good and blah blah and we just kind of start talking. And of course, the first thing she brings up is if I have a girlfriend and stuff like that. I tell her no, and then she tells me that she likes this guy (who we're also picking up to go to the party with) and that they've liked each other since the beginning of summer and how she hopes something happens with them at the party (as in he asks her out).

So thennnn, we went to the party and had some fun (no, I didn't drink :] Go me. No, actually I couldn't because I forgot to bring my money haha). And the whole time we were there, she was like all over him. Not like making out with him or anything like that, but she would always be around him whenever she could and it was really starting to bother me and I think everyone could tell because they kept asking me why I was so quiet all of a sudden and stuff.

Annnyyways that night me and 3 other guys stayed the night at a friends house and the guy that likes this girl was there. They were texting each other all night and talking to each other over the phone until around 3 a.m. (she called him at 3 a.m., wasted, asking him if he was dead...don't ask) and it was starting to piss me the fuck off. But anyways that's only half of the story.

The next morning we all had to go back over to the girl that had the party's house and clean up all of the beer...yes, even though I didn't drink I had to help. And then we had to take them all home blah blah blah, nothing exciting happens here, except my friends hits someones mailbox with his car.

Okay, then the NEXT night (last night), this girl was on Facebook. I decided to talk to her and see how she was. So basically the conversation starts off with her asking me if the guy she likes said anything about her because she was worried that he really didn't liked her. And I said, "no, but it's pretty easy to tell that he likes you as much as you like him". And then, all of a sudden she says, "have you ever liked me within the past year?"
And of course, I was honest and said yes. And then she starts saying, well I've liked you too, actually I still do. And I pretty much start fucking screaming because this was a total shock to me.

Then for the next two hours we start talking and really start to get into it. But basically, we feel the exact same way about each other. Like LITERALLY, exactly the same way. We've both liked each other for 3 years, through how much we've both changed and that she still likes me. Now seriously, this is going to sound weird, but I seriously wanted to cry. I don't know what got into me, but I was just beyond happy.

So then I had to explain why I never came on to her like I liked her, I just told her that it always seemed like she had some other guy on her mind, and she said pretty much the same thing about me. And by now, I feel like the BIGGEST asshole in the world. I should've told her all of this BEFORE she got so involved with this other guy (they aren't going out YET, but I don't know what's going to happen).

Okay, so here is where I need your guys help.
What do I do? I haven't talked to her since last night, so I don't really know how shes feels about the other guy. So basically I don't know who she likes more, who she wants to be with or anything.

Should I ask her if she's going to try and stay with the other guy? Or do I just let it play out? I REALLY don't want to seem desperate.

God I'm so confused right now. I want to just call her and talk to her about it, but I think I should wait.

Sorry for the big thread, but please give me some advice.

EDIT:
Some extra little notes:
- She told me that from now on, we tell each other EVERYTHING, no matter if it's good or bad.
- I haven't talked to her since last night, so I don't know if her feelings have changed, or if she still really likes the other guy.
- I haven't had a girlfriend in two years because I'm SO hooked up on this girl. Seriously.
- I feel liked a huge nerd for posting this here.

Edited by Jeff, 30 August 2008 - 01:05 PM.


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    #2 sonic

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 12:47 PM

    1. I can't believe I read all that.
    2. Bad place to ask, I'm guessing half the users here are 14 year old virgins (cept brandon, he seems like whore tongue.gif)
    3. Girls Lie. ALL THE TIME
    4. It is VERY possible she changed her mind about you, but who cares?
    5. Girls will change their minds a 100x
    6. Don't act like you like her so much. Play it off like you don't really care.
    7. Don't play it off to much though, just find an even ground.
    8. Tell the other guy straight up that you called Dibs long before him and if he keeps hitting on her then your going to kick his ass.
    9. If he is bigger than you then either
    a) Stab or shoot him
    b) Find a big friend/ brother to beat him up
    c) Pay me to do it. haha
    10. She may not even like the other guy that much, I know girls who will like a guy and hit on that dudes friends just to get his attention.
    11. There are tons of fish in the sea, and I'm serious about that.

    and.... 12. My best advice to anyone is to always be ok with the fact that she may stop liking/loving you. If you accept that then if she does, then your not hurt and it also keeps you from acting desperate. Girls hate desperate.

    #3 Jeff

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 12:51 PM

    QUOTE (Soniccc?/ NOT SONIA @ Aug 30 2008, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    1. I can't believe I read all that.
    2. Bad place to ask, I'm guessing half the users here are 14 year old virgins (cept brandon, he seems like whore tongue.gif)
    3. Girls Lie. ALL THE TIME
    4. It is VERY possible she changed her mind about you, but who cares?
    5. Girls will change their minds a 100x
    6. Don't act like you like her so much. Play it off like you don't really care.
    7. Don't play it off to much though, just find an even ground.
    8. Tell the other guy straight up that you called Dibs long before him and if he keeps hitting on her then your going to kick his ass.
    9. If he is bigger than you then either
    a) Stab or shoot him
    b) Find a big friend/ brother to beat him up
    c) Pay me to do it. haha
    10. She may not even like the other guy that much, I know girls who will like a guy and hit on that dudes friends just to get his attention.
    11. There are tons of fish in the sea, and I'm serious about that.

    and.... 12. My best advice to anyone is to always be ok with the fact that she may stop liking/loving you. If you accept that then if she does, then your not hurt and it also keeps you from acting desperate. Girls hate desperate.

    Yes, probably a bad place to ask, but SOME people know some thing other than Neopets and Pokemon.

    #4 Just Another User

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:02 PM

    QUOTE (Soniccc?/ NOT SONIA @ Aug 30 2008, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    1. I can't believe I read all that.
    2. Bad place to ask, I'm guessing half the users here are 14 year old virgins (cept brandon, he seems like whore tongue.gif )
    3. Girls Lie. ALL THE TIME
    4. It is VERY possible she changed her mind about you, but who cares?
    5. Girls will change their minds a 100x


    Actual lol, especially #1

    I'd say seenas you guys have known eachother for ages and it turns out both of you always liked eachother that she will probably be way more into you than the other guy. Asking flat out if she prefers him over you might be a bad idea, i'd just spend more time with her and stuff and it'll probably play nicely into your hands wink.gif If she wants to know everything about you all the time like you said, then i can only presume she's into you on a pritty big scale, so unless she's said the same thing to the other guy i'd say you're definately in the lead by a long way tongue.gif

    ps. if you haven't already go visit/call her today she'll probably like that smile.gif

    Edited by Just Another User, 30 August 2008 - 01:03 PM.


    #5 sonic

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:02 PM

    QUOTE (Jeff @ Aug 30 2008, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Yes, probably a bad place to ask, but SOME people know some thing other than Neopets and Pokemon.


    Lol.
    Like me, I don't know shit. You probably shouldn't listen to me.
    Someone who was married then divorced. Haha. I have a biased opinion. lol

    #6 Jeff

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:04 PM

    QUOTE (Just Another User @ Aug 30 2008, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Actual lol, especially #1

    I'd say seenas you guys have known eachother for ages and it turns out both of you always liked eachother that she will probably be way more into you than the other guy. Asking flat out if she prefers him over you might be a bad idea, i'd just spend more time with her and stuff and it'll probably play nicely into your hands wink.gif If she wants to know everything about you all th time like you said, then i can only presume she's into you on a pritty big scale, so unless she's said the same thing to the other guy i'd say you're definately in the lead by a long way tongue.gif

    Yeah, I'm thinking that too, that I need to spend some more time with her. But I really need to know how she feels first.

    QUOTE (Soniccc?/ NOT SONIA @ Aug 30 2008, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Lol.
    Like me, I don't know shit. You probably shouldn't listen to me.
    Someone who was married then divorced. Haha. I have a biased opinion. lol

    Ha, well at least you effing posted. Thanks.

    #7 Just Another User

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:06 PM

    QUOTE (Jeff @ Aug 30 2008, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Yeah, I'm thinking that too, that I need to spend some more time with her. But I really need to know how she feels first.


    Ha, well at least you effing posted. Thanks.


    Try asking her if she wants to go see a movie or go shopping or some other lame thing girls like doing, if she says yes that's probably a pretty good indication how she feels wink.gif

    #8 Jeff

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:09 PM

    QUOTE (Just Another User @ Aug 30 2008, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Try asking her if she wants to go see a movie or go shopping or some other lame thing girls like doing, if she says yes that's probably a pretty good indication how she feels wink.gif

    No I know. I just reallllyyy need to find out how she feels first. If I ask her if she wants to do something, then find out that she likes the other guy more that will be pretty awkward, especially since I've known her for so long.

    #9 Frank274

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:11 PM

    You should spend time with her. Ask her face to face how she feels. If she seems uneasy (not looking at you, moving around a lot, etc) when you ask her, she's probably lying. But who knows, you might find she really does like you.


    And you can't say this is the wrong place to ask... I knew a girl for 2 weeks before we started dating and we were together for 7 1/2 months. We aren't together now because I did something fucking stupid, but we are still really close and about to get back together.


    Just remember one thing: Go with what your gut tells you. If it tells you to go with it, go with it. If not, then back out.

    #10 Just Another User

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:11 PM

    QUOTE (Jeff @ Aug 30 2008, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    No I know. I just reallllyyy need to find out how she feels first. If I ask her if she wants to do something, then find out that she likes the other guy more that will be pretty awkward, especially since I've known her for so long.


    I dunno, if you really desperately wanna find out ASAP you could say something lame like '....soooo how's it going between you and X?'

    #11 Jeff

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:12 PM

    QUOTE (Just Another User @ Aug 30 2008, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I dunno, if you really desperately wanna find out ASAP you could say something lame like '....soooo how's it going between you and X?'

    Haha, I was JUST about to do that last night then she asked me if I liked her.

    #12 sonic

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:24 PM

    QUOTE (Jeff @ Aug 30 2008, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    No I know. I just reallllyyy need to find out how she feels first. If I ask her if she wants to do something, then find out that she likes the other guy more that will be pretty awkward, especially since I've known her for so long.


    Man up dude.
    It's a girl. They are dumb. How old is she? 14?

    Reach deep down and grab those balls and ask her to the movies or some shit.
    Who cares if she likes the other guy?
    It's irrelevant.
    All it means is you have to be better than that other guy, easy stuff.

    #13 Jeff

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:29 PM

    QUOTE (Soniccc?/ NOT SONIA @ Aug 30 2008, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Man up dude.
    It's a girl. They are dumb. How old is she? 14?

    Reach deep down and grab those balls and ask her to the movies or some shit.
    Who cares if she likes the other guy?
    It's irrelevant.
    All it means is you have to be better than that other guy, easy stuff.

    Lol, man up.

    I've known this girl since 6th grade, that's 5 years. If I mess up, there goes 5 years.

    I seriously don't care, call me a puss, I don't give a shit. But I'm not gonna just ask her to go out with me. If it was ANY other girl I would.

    Thanks though.

    Edited by Jeff, 30 August 2008 - 01:30 PM.


    #14 sonic

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:31 PM

    QUOTE (Jeff @ Aug 30 2008, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Lol, man up.

    I've known this girl since 6th grade, that's 5 years. If I mess up, there goes 5 years.

    I seriously don't care, call me a puss, I don't give a shit. But I'm not gonna just ask her to go out with me. If it was ANY other girl I would.

    Thanks though.


    No one is asking you to purpose....wtf?
    I go to the movies with my grandma, does that mean I want to fuck her?

    Do what you want, its just my advice.

    P.S. I have never gotten a girl by being a vagina, the opposite seems more effective.

    Edited by Soniccc?/ NOT SONIA, 30 August 2008 - 01:37 PM.


    #15 Frizzle

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:34 PM

    QUOTE (Jeff @ Aug 30 2008, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Lol, man up.

    I've known this girl since 6th grade, that's 5 years. If I mess up, there goes 5 years.

    I seriously don't care, call me a puss, I don't give a shit. But I'm not gonna just ask her to go out with me. If it was ANY other girl I would.

    Thanks though.



    Grow some balls. Ask her out. Regret is not a thing that is envied much.

    #16 Tetiel

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:37 PM

    Girls are impatient. You need to ask her out before the other guy does or else you know... she might start thinking it'll never happen. You got to talk to her today about a lot of things. Just don't wait over a month or so, you know?

    Back in early high school I used to like this guy and I knew he liked me but he never asked me out so I just gave up on him. Just how it is. (mind you this was over ummm... had to be 5-6 months of that)

    #17 Jeff

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:38 PM

    QUOTE (Soniccc?/ NOT SONIA @ Aug 30 2008, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    No one is asking you to purpose....wtf?
    I go to the movies with my grandma, does that mean I want to fuck her?

    Do what you want, its just my advice.

    P.S. I have never gotten a girl by being a puddy tat, the opposite seems more effective.

    Uh...okay? Bad analogy lol.

    I was just saying, if I mess up on this nothing will be the same whenever I'm around her or talk to her. Yeah, maybe I'm being too serious about it but I don't give a shit, it's just how I am and I'm not going to change that because of a girl. Or maybe I value friendship a little too much? Thank you for your advice though, seriously.

    QUOTE (Frizzle @ Aug 30 2008, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Grow some balls. Ask her out. Regret is not a thing that is envied much.

    Okay seriously, saying 'Grow some balls' doesn't make you look tough. Sorry, but I had to say it.

    #18 sonic

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:39 PM

    QUOTE (Jeff @ Aug 30 2008, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Uh...okay? Bad analogy lol.

    I was just saying, if I mess up on this nothing will be the same whenever I'm around her or talk to her. Yeah, maybe I'm being too serious about it but I don't give a shit, it's just how I am and I'm not going to change that because of a girl. Or maybe I value friendship a little too much? Thank you for your advice though, seriously.


    Okay seriously, saying 'Grow some balls' doesn't make you look tough. Sorry, but I had to say it.


    Well I guess the people around me just were not that immature when I was growing up.


    #19 Jeff

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:40 PM

    QUOTE (Tetiel @ Aug 30 2008, 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Girls are impatient. You need to ask her out before the other guy does or else you know... she might start thinking it'll never happen. You got to talk to her today about a lot of things. Just don't wait over a month or so, you know?

    Back in early high school I used to like this guy and I knew he liked me but he never asked me out so I just gave up on him. Just how it is. (mind you this was over ummm... had to be 5-6 months of that)

    Thank you, Tet.


    QUOTE (Soniccc?/ NOT SONIA @ Aug 30 2008, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Well I guess the people around me just were not that immature when I was growing up.

    Immature? Being a nice person and valuing friendship is immature?

    EDIT: This thread is failing.

    Edited by Jeff, 30 August 2008 - 01:40 PM.


    #20 sonic

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:41 PM

    QUOTE (Jeff @ Aug 30 2008, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Okay seriously, saying 'Grow some balls' doesn't make you look tough. Sorry, but I had to say it.


    No, being a nazi makes him look tough. duh. tongue.gif

    Don't get all pissy cause you asked for advice and its not what you wanted to hear.


    QUOTE (Jeff @ Aug 30 2008, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Thank you, Tet.



    Immature? Being a nice person and valuing friendship is immature?


    No being retarded and allowing single moments affect long term friendships. Don't be ignorant and misinterpret what I say.

    #21 Jeff

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:43 PM

    QUOTE (Soniccc?/ NOT SONIA @ Aug 30 2008, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    No, being a nazi makes him look tough. duh. tongue.gif

    Don't get all pissy cause you asked for advice and its not what you wanted to hear.




    No being retarded and allowing single moments affect long term friendships. Don't be ignorant and misinterpret what I say.

    Haha, true I guess.

    Okay, this is exactly how I didn't want this thread to turn out. People getting defensive because I say something that doesn't come out right. I'm sorry if I seem like I'm getting pissy, because I'm really not. I'm just really serious about this and I don't want to hear about how I'm being a puss.

    And there was nothing to misinterpret, you didn't explain what was so immature about it. My bad I guess.

    Edited by Jeff, 30 August 2008 - 01:44 PM.


    #22 Tetiel

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:45 PM

    Guys seriously... it's difficult for some people to ask the girl of their dreams out when they are now in total shock still at the thought that the girl even likes them tongue.gif Give him some time xD Just because you want to be an internet tough guy doesn't mean he needs to be as well.

    #23 sonic

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:45 PM

    QUOTE (Jeff @ Aug 30 2008, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Haha, true I guess.

    Okay, this is exactly how I didn't want this thread to turn out. People getting defensive because I say something that doesn't come out right. I'm sorry if I seem like I'm getting pissy, because I'm really not. I'm just really serious about this and I don't want to hear about how I'm being a puss.

    And there was nothing to misinterpret, you didn't explain what was so immature about it. My bad I guess.


    I am going to quietly back away from this thread.
    Your being retarded and I don't want to get infected.

    Your doing the right thing. Your acting like a 15 year old and that is what is supposed to happen.
    /end

    #24 Jeff

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:47 PM

    QUOTE (Tetiel @ Aug 30 2008, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Guys seriously... it's difficult for some people to ask the girl of their dreams out when they are now in total shock still at the thought that the girl even likes them tongue.gif Give him some time xD

    Haha. Well thanks. But yeah, I still am in total shock. I always thought we were just good friends.

    QUOTE (Soniccc?/ NOT SONIA @ Aug 30 2008, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I am going to quietly back away from this thread.
    Your being retarded and I don't want to get infected.

    Your doing the right thing. Your acting like a 15 year old and that is what is supposed to happen.
    /end

    Still, I don't understand how I'm being retarted. I'm confused as hell right now.

    And sorry, I am a 15 year old.

    #25 Tetiel

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    Posted 30 August 2008 - 01:49 PM

    QUOTE (Jeff @ Aug 30 2008, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Haha. Well thanks. But yeah, I still am in total shock. I always thought we were just good friends.

    I understand. It becomes easier with age. For example, I'm in a situation that started like that where he liked me for a long time and I liked him for a long time but y'see we didn't connect it together. But that's okay. It turned into a great relationship worth waiting for smile.gif Naturally he and I pretty much got together immediately once we realized each others feelings, but still. That ease comes with age and experience. You don't have much experience asking girls out and that's okay. At your age that's a GOOD thing.


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