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[pyke]

When is this scheduled to happen? We've been waiting for a while now...

Seriously, I don't feel like waiting another 50-60 years on this.

[Warlord]

It will, once we negate capitalism and adopt a social means of production.

I refuse to share. Try getting me into the gulag, dipshit.

[Waser Lave]

Seriously, I don't feel like waiting another 50-60 years on this.

Well I guess we did have mercantilism for like 200 years, hopefully this communist revolution starts sooner than that though. Our Fred Hampton needs to pull his finger out imo.

[zigzag]

The negation of capitalism is a natural process, a dialectical process because of the contradictions which exist between the worker/owner relationship in man's relation to production in society. What I can and am doing, however is study the unity of the opposites (define this social phenomena) and agitate one end to catalyze the collision (make it act in a desired manner). I'd get out of the theoretical rhetoric if I wasn't in my English tutorial right now.

Edited by Fred Hampton, 16 September 2008 - 12:18 PM.

[Waser Lave]

So not any time soon then?

[pyke]

So not any time soon then?

It's inevitable, but not really.

I think you'll see more socialist ideas incorporated into society, but nothing full blown for a long while.

[Waser Lave]

It's inevitable, but not really.

I think you'll see more socialist ideas incorporated into society, but nothing full blown for a long while.

Social Democracy ftw. Which we already have significant elements of here.

[Warlord]

The negation of capitalism is a natural process, a dialectical process because of the contradictions which exist between the worker/owner relationship in man's relation to production in society. What I can and am doing, however is study the unity of the opposites (define this social phenomena) and agitate one end to catalyze the collision (make it act in a desired manner). I'd get out of the theoretical rhetoric if I wasn't in my English tutorial right now.

Dude, you're pretty crazy.

You should watch the pilot episode of sliders, the one where they go to the world where communist Russia rules the united states.

[A Silent Soliloquy]

The negation of capitalism is a natural process, a dialectical process because of the contradictions which exist between the worker/owner relationship in man's relation to production in society. What I can and am doing, however is study the unity of the opposites (define this social phenomena) and agitate one end to catalyze the collision (make it act in a desired manner). I'd get out of the theoretical rhetoric if I wasn't in my English tutorial right now.

You really are pathetic. Do you really believe people are all equal and we should all earn the same? Because I don't and thats why we have garbage men and investment bankers who make drastically different salaries.

Do you believe a doctor is equal to a janitor in skill level? Why should he be paid the same as someone who saves lives for cleaning vomit off of the floor. You can debate all life is equal but people are NOT at all equal when it comes to there skills, determination and perseverance.

People get paid high figures because they struggled and overcame more hardships than pathetic Marxist-Leninist supporters did. A doctor goes through 6-12 years of POSTGRADUATE training, a janitor doesn't even do undergraduate. Yet these people are equal? Hah.

Theres a reason China's economy is referred to as "Socialist with Chinese characteristics", those Chinese characteristics reduced unemployment from 48% to 8% and made the country a superpower. Those same characteristics power America and Europe and even Russia.

Socialism was tried in the USSR, and guess what its gone. Your Utopian atitude is quite pathetic, grow up and don't bitch about those more successful than you.

[pyke]

First of all, there's no need to get person because you disagree with someone.

Secondly, not everyone has the ability to study, not everyone learns the same, no one person has the same type of intelligence as the next. In terms of value, who's to say that someone cleaning up after people isn't as necessary as those making the mess.
Each person has some role in society, we cna't all be doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. Some people have to do the grunt work. It does not make them less worthy of a good life.

A surgeon should make the exact same amount of money as a sanitation officer, true or false?

[A Silent Soliloquy]

A surgeon should make the exact same amount of money as a sanitation officer, true or false?

False, In case I was not clear I was referring to the huge communist/socialist point everyone makes the same.

[Vegas]

I gotta agree with silent on that bit.

There are enough people already who do nothing and leech money/aid from the government. Ofcourse I exclude those who really can't do nothing such as people in special circumstances.

[zigzag]

You really are pathetic. Do you really believe people are all equal and we should all earn the same? Because I don't and thats why we have garbage men and investment bankers who make drastically different salaries.

Do you believe a doctor is equal to a janitor in skill level? Why should he be paid the same as someone who saves lives for cleaning vomit off of the floor. You can debate all life is equal but people are NOT at all equal when it comes to there skills, determination and perseverance.

People get paid high figures because they struggled and overcame more hardships than pathetic Marxist-Leninist supporters did. A doctor goes through 6-12 years of POSTGRADUATE training, a janitor doesn't even do undergraduate. Yet these people are equal? Hah.

Theres a reason China's economy is referred to as "Socialist with Chinese characteristics", those Chinese characteristics reduced unemployment from 48% to 8% and made the country a superpower. Those same characteristics power America and Europe and even Russia.

Socialism was tried in the USSR, and guess what its gone. Your Utopian atitude is quite pathetic, grow up and don't bitch about those more successful than you.

You have an utmost infantile understanding of socialism, even going as far as referring to China as a red-state

Please read on the material before attacking me, I'm not even going to justify your ignorance with a proper response, just sitting here laughing.

There are enough people already who do nothing and leech money/aid from the government. Ofcourse I exclude those who really can't do nothing such as people in special circumstances.

Socialism is anti-welfare, in case you guys never understood it. Judging by some of the responses here, that's a far shot, which is perfectly fine, I've nothing against that, don't get me wrong.

Edited by Fred Hampton, 16 September 2008 - 05:09 PM.

[pyke]

You have the most infantile understanding of socialism, even going as far as referring to China as red-state

Please read on the material before attacking me, I'm not even going to justify your ignorance with a proper response, just sitting here laughing.



Socialism is anti-welfare, in case you guys never understood it. Judging by some of the responses here, that's a far shot, which is perfectly fine, I've nothing against that, don't get me wrong.

Socialism does have some good aspects to it, anti-welfare definitely being one of them. I disagree with other principles of it though.

And Ange, not necessarily intelligence. Specialized work that requires an actual skill should pay more, yes. What you make should be proportional to amount of work you've put into acquiring skills to perform that job. Ideally, everyone would make an amount of money to live comfortably, specialized jobs people just making more.

[zigzag]

I'd ask you what specifically, but I've got a test, two assignments and a presentation all due within the next two days and I'm about to hit the gym, don't want to merc myself further

Fack; love/hate dichotomy of post-secondary education ._.' Let's agree not to talk anymore politics here, or I'm going to be inclined to self-destruct with some political masturbation.

Edited by Fred Hampton, 16 September 2008 - 05:15 PM.

[Warlord]

Quick pyke, join the canadian army and put an end to desktop communists internetwide!

[zigzag]

Quick pyke, join the canadian army and put an end to desktop communists internetwide!

Did you just call me an armchair? Think again..

(Coincidentally I was threatened for arrest yesterday as well ;

Edited by Fred Hampton, 16 September 2008 - 05:19 PM.

[Warlord]

Did you just call me an armchair? Think again..

(Coincidentally I was threatened for arrest yesterday as well ;

Thats probably a rickroll or something. I certainly won't click it.

[pyke]

I'd ask you what specifically, but I've got a test, two assignments and a presentation all due within the next two days and I'm about to hit the gym, don't want to merc myself further

Fack; love/hate dichotomy of post-secondary education ._.'

Try taking six courses

I generally disagree with state-ownership, as much as you can try and pass it off as worker ownership. Some things should be left to private persons as far as I'm concerned.

I'll vouch for Arman (Fred Hampton, Simon, the peoples champion, whatever you prefer ) not being an armchair. He actually tries to make a difference. I disagree with him on issues, but he does work towards his ideals.

[Waser Lave]

Thats probably a rickroll or something. I certainly won't click it.

Communists don't rickroll.

[zigzag]

Try taking six courses

I generally disagree with state-ownership, as much as you can try and pass it off as worker ownership. Some things should be left to private persons as far as I'm concerned.

Shutup shutup shutup shutup, don't tempt me; IM OFF TO THE GYM. Fucker.

// forwards neocodex.us to localhost until thursday evening.

Edited by Fred Hampton, 16 September 2008 - 05:32 PM.

[pyke]

Shutup shutup shutup shutup, don't tempt me; IM OFF TO THE GYM. Fucker.

// forwards neocodex.us to localhost until thursday evening.

That's what you get for changing the topic of discussion in here. Mwahahaha

[Warlord]

Communists don't rickroll.

Is there a leninroll yet?

Is there a leninroll yet?

[Waser Lave]

Is there a leninroll yet?

The internet really does have everything...

[Tetiel]

Oh yay. Another topic ruined by a communist debate when it had nothing to do with communism in the first place. What does this make now? Number 52?