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[Gone]

I personally don't believe that AIDS just so happen to emerge from a monkey found in Africa, becuase the twisted tales that were weaved do not coincide with one another. First, there is the general idea stressed that because Africans were in contact with the monkeys then there was a breeding ground for the virus to spread. Yet strangly enough, AIDS emerged in Africa around the same time that Africans were being given "vaccinations" for hepathitis B. Then what of gay European-American men? I don't think they had contact with AFricans in a way that would make them contract the virus. It is much the same deal with gay men, as it were for the Africans, when a program was instroduced and after injections the virus emerged.

AIDS origin 


Is AIDS man-made

Edited by Meirsa, 10 October 2008 - 04:26 PM.

[pyke]

Why exactly would AIDs be released on the public though? The idea behind a man made virus is that it should be able to effectively cripple people in an immediate fashion and then preferably die out on its own I would imagine. And why Africa?

[Gone]

Why exactly would AIDs be released on the public though? The idea behind a man made virus is that it should be able to effectively cripple people in an immediate fashion and then preferably die out on its own I would imagine. And why Africa?

Eugenics/sterilization. The idea of "killing the weak" so that only the strong will populate the world. There are some crazy Eurocentic maniacs who honestly want Africans and other "non-whites" dead through same Nazi move of "ethnic cleansing". It a small group but they have high positions and connections. Genocide has been a tactic that has been used on several occassins. It's pathetic to claim "superioty" but having a low population and using germ warfare and forced-sterilizations to "catch up" which will NEVER happen. there are some scary motives. I will give you some quotes of some of those looneys.

Its a liitle bit older (please no one be offended, that is not my intention)

"This would be a great land if only every Irishman would kill a Negro, and be hanged for it. I find this sentiment generally approved - sometimes with the qualification that they want Irish and negroes for servants, not being able to get any other..."

Quote by Thomas F. Gosset, in "Race, The History of an Idea in America", 1963.

Both former presidents Ronald Reagen and Richard Nixon made comments about "Blacks being genetically inferior to Whites". Old ideas that have long been refuted are still ingrained into people's minds to create unwarranted prejudice.

Even more bolder, but older:

" We should so far yield to the evident designs and purposes of Providence,' as to be both willing and anxious to see the Negroes, like the Indians and all other effete and dingy-hued races, gradually exteriminated from the face of the whole earth."

Quote by Hinton R. Helper, author of "Nojoque, 1867.

Then of course there is this
2008 instance

New Orlean redraws its color line.

Edited by Meirsa, 09 October 2008 - 01:10 PM.

[Sweeney]

lmao

If you believe any of this crap, you're a moron.

HIV is not transmitted through saliva. Unless you happen to salivate blood.
Blood contact is also the likliest way HIV entered the human population.
And there is no doubt, no doubt, that HIV is the cause of AIDS.

[phalkon]

HIV is not transmitted through saliva. Unless you happen to salivate blood.
Blood contact is also the likeliest way HIV entered the human population.
And there is no doubt, no doubt, that HIV is the cause of AIDS.

you are correct there, it's only through bodily fluids (breast milk, blood, sexual "juices")

but, i do also believe it was man-made.

[hungryhippo]

this is completely absurd. Some people have seen the movie outbreak too many times. It isn't man made.

[Gone]

lmao

If you believe any of this crap, you're a moron.

HIV is not transmitted through saliva. Unless you happen to salivate blood.
Blood contact is also the likliest way HIV entered the human population.
And there is no doubt, no doubt, that HIV is the cause of AIDS.

HIV is transmitted throught the saliva. Did you ever notice that the test swabs the mouth? The traces of HIV found in semen is only traces, and has not been directly linked to increases chances of getting HIV. There is plenty doubt that HIV is not linked to AIDS, why the hell would there me so many different theories. Mentioning blood was pointless, the issue presented was between semen and saliva, not the what incrases the chance of gaining the virus.


If you believe in everything that is fed to you, then I can question you're mental well-being. You think I haven't read up on both sides?

I suggest you do the same thing before you make judgments. 

Edited by Meirsa, 09 October 2008 - 07:35 AM.

[33724]

this is completely absurd. Some people have seen the movie outbreak too many times. It isn't man made.

Please support the facts you have that can prove your absurd assertion. Otherwise you need to study how debates work and stop wasting our time.

HIV is transmitted throught the saliva. Did you ever notice that the test swabs the mouth? The traces of HIV found in semen is only traces, and has not been directly linked to increases chances of getting

If you believe in everything that is fed to you, then I can question you're mental well-being. You think I haven't read up on both sides?

I suggest you do the same thing before you make judgments.

HIV has been found in saliva and tears in very low quantities from some AIDS patients. It is important to understand that finding a small amount of HIV in a body fluid does not necessarily mean that HIV can be transmitted by that body fluid. HIV has not been recovered from the sweat of HIV-infected persons. Contact with saliva, tears, or sweat has never been shown to result in transmission of HIV.

Thats right from the CDC's website so once again....without facts stop with the lies......educate your self.
I would say that YOU believe everything fed to YOU since there is an obvious lack of knowledge on the matter by your part as well.



PWNT

Edited by 33724, 09 October 2008 - 08:08 AM.

[Sweeney]

HIV is transmitted throught the saliva. Did you ever notice that the test swabs the mouth? The traces of HIV found in semen is only traces, and has not been directly linked to increases chances of getting HIV. There is plenty doubt that HIV is not linked to AIDS, why the hell would there me so many different theories. Mentioning blood was pointless, the issue presented was between semen and saliva, not the what incrases the chance of gaining the virus.


If you believe in everything that is fed to you, then I can question you're mental well-being. You think I haven't read up on both sides?

I suggest you do the same thing before you make judgments.

HIV is not transmitted via salivary contact.
In support, I cite three scientific papers. That's primary research literature, not inflammatory, third party journalism.

Sande MA: Transmission of AIDS. The case against casual contagion. N Engl J Med 1986, 314:380-382.
Fischl MA, Dickinson GM, Scott GB, et al.: Evaluation of heterosexual partners, children, and household contacts of adults with AIDS. JAMA 1987, 257:640-644.
Rogers MF, White CR, Sanders R: Lack of transmission of HIV from infected children to their household contacts. Pediatrics 1990, 85:210-214.

Look it up.

[Vitalis]

PWNT

Was that really necessary? If anything it makes you look childish.

[33724]

Was that really necessary? If anything it makes you look childish.

Was that really necessary? Is all that you have to contribute to this debate a trolling message?

Stop Flamming loser

[Vitalis]

Was that really necessary? Is all that you have to contribute to this debate a trolling message?

Obviously.

PWNT

Stop Flamming loser

[Gone]

When I said that HIV can be transmitted through saliva, I followed up with the fact that an HIV test can be conducted by swabbing the saliva in a person's mouth. Saliva is a human bodily fluid by the way if you have forgotten.

"On March 26, 2004, the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved a new HIV test, one that can be done without using a needle. This test, called the OraQuick Rapid HIV Test for Oral Fluid, provides results in 20 minutes using saliva. This test can detect only HIV type 1 (HIV-1) antibodies.

In October 2004, OraSure Technologies, Inc, the maker of the test, announced that it had FDA approval for a new rapid test that can detect antibodies to both HIV-1 and HIV type 2 (HIV-2). This is called the OraQuick Advance Rapid HIV-1/2 Antibody Test. It can provide results in 20 minutes using saliva, blood, or plasma."

CNN: rapid Oral Hiv test approved by FDA

Just to disprove the MYTH of Hiv not transmitting through saliva, just as it can be detected in other bodily fluids and blood, so can it be detected in saliva.

Edited by Meirsa, 10 October 2008 - 04:27 PM.

[Sweeney]

When I said that HIV can be transmitted through saliva, I followed up with the fact that an HIV test can be conducted by swabbing the saliva in a person's mouth. Saliva is a human bodily fluid by the way if you have forgotten.

"On March 26, 2004, the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved a new HIV test, one that can be done without using a needle. This test, called the OraQuick Rapid HIV Test for Oral Fluid, provides results in 20 minutes using saliva. This test can detect only HIV type 1 (HIV-1) antibodies.

In October 2004, OraSure Technologies, Inc, the maker of the test, announced that it had FDA approval for a new rapid test that can detect antibodies to both HIV-1 and HIV type 2 (HIV-2). This is called the OraQuick Advance Rapid HIV-1/2 Antibody Test. It can provide results in 20 minutes using saliva, blood, or plasma."

CNN: rapid Oral Hiv test approved by FDA

You seem not to understand the basic term "transmission"...

[Gone]

You seem not to understand the basic term "transmission"...

Transmission of a disease passes when contact is made with the blood of the victim. This transmission can occur through blood, breastmilk, and other fluids that can directly enter the body. A kiss has the exchange of saliva that cause it to be intermingled and swallowed. Meningitis can be passed onto another through a kiss. I understand that these are two different diseases but I just want to show that saliva-based transmissions are possible. HIV can be transmitted if a large quantity of a bodily fluid, with HIV, is in contact with an individual.

Edited by Meirsa, 10 October 2008 - 04:29 PM.

[Sweeney]

Well, Iwill give my definition, and tell me if you percieve my idea to be wrong.

Transmission of a disease passes when contact is made with the blood of the victim. This transmission can occur through blood, breastmilk, and other fluids that can directly enter the body. A kiss has the exchange of saliva that cause it to be intermingled and swallowed. Meningitis can be passed onto another through a kiss. I understand that these are two different diseases but I just want to show that saliva-based transmissions are possible.

Of course they're possible... but not with HIV.

I fail to comprehend the difficulty in the concept.

HIV is categorically not transmitted via saliva.

[Gone]

Of course they're possible... but not with HIV.

I fail to comprehend the difficulty in the concept.

HIV is categorically not transmitted via saliva.

Everyone has there theories. Some propose that it can be transmitted through saliva (I can find the scientist who make this claim in some of the sources I posted in the very beginning) and others says it is a STD. Something that I do notice is that both sides admit to not knowing what specifically is the origin. I was shocked to find that the time period that the HIV emmerged, that went along with the monkey and man-made thories, i no longer the proposed period and that the disease may have emerged almost 100 years before (I will look for the article just to positively give the time but researchers are saying 1800s). Quite creepy.

Source for "vaccine" theory, in first link but I will directly show it below:

"On May 11, 1987, a highly important AIDS story appeared on the front page of The London Times, one of the world's most respected newspapers. The headline ran, "Smallpox vaccine triggered AIDS virus." Written by science editor Pearce Wright, the story suggested that the smallpox eradication vaccine program sponsored by the World Health Organization (WHO) was responsible for unleashing AIDS in Africa."

"A WHO official admitted, "Now I believe the smallpox vaccine theory is the explanation for the explosion of African AIDS." Robert Gallo added, "The link between the WHO program and the epidemic is an interesting and important hypothesis. I cannot say it actually happened but I have been saying for some years that the use of live vaccines such as that used for smallpox can activate a dormant infection such as HIV."

Rappoport was mystified as to why no mention of the smallpox story appeared in the major U. S. media. He contacted spokespersons for the Associated Press in Boston, Washington and New York; Reuters at the United Nations; and United Press International in New York. All the agencies "said they had heard nothing of the story out of London."

During the years 1966-1977, the WHO administered 24,000 million doses (2.4 billion) of smallpox vaccine worldwide. Could any of these vaccine batches contain a genetically engineered virus designed for biowarfare purposes? According to Allan Chase's Magic Shots, "The Soviet Union donated 140 million doses; the United States 40 million doses; twenty other nations combined to donate another 220 million doses" The remaining two billion doses of vaccine were made in newly established labs in third world countries, with the help of WHO specialists."

I made an error about the proabability of getting AIDS from semen.

Theory on "HIV in semen" not being avoided by condom use from third link in first post on findings in "Strecker Memorandum":

"The most common misconception being foisted upon us right now concerns sexually active Americans. We are told that if a man uses a condom, the transference of the deadly virus is virtually eliminated. Nothing is further from the truth. Of all the body fluids that the AIDS virus is found in, semen contains the least. As a matter of fact, in every single study ever published on the subject, no one has found a significant amount in anyone's semen. It just isn't there in huge numbers. There is usually about one virus per milliliter, a statistically irrelevant amount. One copious ejaculation might produce only two or three viruses. This is substantiated in the medical literature. But, just for argument's sake, let's say all the medical studies are wrong. Let's pretend that there are countless millions of AIDS viruses in the ejaculation. Are you aware that condoms are riddled with microscopic or larger holes? Studies show that even the smallest holes found in condoms are two to ten times larger than the AIDS virus. It's like shooting a golf ball. through a basketball hoop. Condoms have not, will not, and cannot prevent AIDS."

A summary of theories presented in "Strecker Memorandum" video posted in top, watching the video will have his supporting evidence for making these claims:

"- AIDS is a man-made disease;

- AIDS is not a homosexual disease;

- AIDS is not a venereal disease;

- AIDS can be carried by mosquitoes;

- Condoms will not prevent AIDS;

- There are at least six different AIDS viruses loose in the world;"

Edited by Meirsa, 10 October 2008 - 04:30 PM.

[SRF]

When I said that HIV can be transmitted through saliva, I followed up with the fact that an HIV test can be conducted by swabbing the saliva in a person's mouth. Saliva is a human bodily fluid by the way if you have forgotten.

"On March 26, 2004, the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved a new HIV test, one that can be done without using a needle. This test, called the OraQuick Rapid HIV Test for Oral Fluid, provides results in 20 minutes using saliva. This test can detect only HIV type 1 (HIV-1) antibodies.

In October 2004, OraSure Technologies, Inc, the maker of the test, announced that it had FDA approval for a new rapid test that can detect antibodies to both HIV-1 and HIV type 2 (HIV-2). This is called the OraQuick Advance Rapid HIV-1/2 Antibody Test. It can provide results in 20 minutes using saliva, blood, or plasma."

CNN: rapid Oral Hiv test approved by FDA

Just to disprove the MYTH of Hiv not transmitting through saliva, just as it can be detected in other bodily fluids and blood, so can it be detected in saliva.

To decide on one side, when both points has been argued, DOES NOT imply a gullibilty to what information is being presented to me. It is through MY OWN JUDGEMENT that I decide what I will find ernest,by exploring the credibilty of the statements. Pawnage? Get real.

Learn to read, "HIV type 1 (HIV-1) antibodies" That means the antibodies your body creates in response to HIV, not the virus itself and that's how they know you have HIV.

[Gone]

Learn to read, "HIV type 1 (HIV-1) antibodies" That means the antibodies your body creates in response to HIV, not the virus itself and that's how they know you have HIV.

It also states that it works for HIV type 2, if you would finish reading. I know about the several strands of HIV. A person is declared HIV-positive if these antibodies are found, which means that the patient is infected. Saliva is a bodily fluid, just like semen, and both can tranmitt the disease if large enough quantities of either saliva or semen is produced that contains the virus.

Edited by Meirsa, 10 October 2008 - 04:34 PM.

[pyke]

AIDs is obviously not a "homosexual" disease, no such thing exists.

Of course it can be carried by mosquito's as well, they can bite someone that's infected...

[Sweeney]

blahblahblah

Please, if you want to discuss a scientific topic, learn to refer to actual sources. Published papers.

Journalism is, by its very nature, dumbed down, inaccurate and sensationalist.

[Gone]

Please, if you want to discuss a scientific topic, learn to refer to actual sources. Published papers.

Journalism is, by its very nature, dumbed down, inaccurate and sensationalist.

Erhm..

"AIDS And the Doctors of Death: An Inquiry into the Origin of the AIDS Epidemic" by Alan Cantwell Jr, MD (I believe he mau be the son of the original author of link one). 

 "Queer Blood: The Secret AIDS Genocide Plot" by Alan Cantwell (actual person presenting the man-made aids theory in link one who is also a MD).

There is also another book... but the government went on a "seek and destroy" mission for it.

Dr. Boyd Graves theory was disallowed from being published from all the courts, so I can't do anything with that one but I won't just ignore his findings because he wasn't published, I have encountered several books that should be removed from book shelves sO I know that some worthless works as well as incredible works can be published.

Dr. Robert B. Strecker, M.D., Ph.D. "Strecker Memorandum" was published by the Bulletin of the World Health Organization. Except for one person, the other doctors were published.

Also, unless noted by a url. Quotes that I provide are from books, except I only cite the direct speaker. I don't need to learn what I already know but if you "wanted" book sources (which I agree is a more credible source than news articles) then just ask.

Edited by Meirsa, 09 October 2008 - 02:55 PM.

[Sweeney]

Erhm..

"AIDS And the Doctors of Death: An Inquiry into the Origin of the AIDS Epidemic" by Alan Cantwell Jr, MD (I belieev he mau be the son of the original author of link one).

"Queer Blood: The Secret AIDS Genocide Plot" by Alan Cantwell (actual person presenting the man-made aids theory in link one who is also a MD).

There is also another book... but the government went on a "seek and destroy" mission for it.

Yup, they sound like the titles of published papers

[Gone]

Yup, they sound like the titles of published papers

You can find the two books on Amazon, apparently one won an award. The books stance is directly effected by the information the Strecker brothers presented.

Edited by Meirsa, 10 October 2008 - 04:35 PM.