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[Ives]

In many respects, recent bourgeoise (owners and executives, anyways) seem to be written off as capitalists for their amorality and inefficency (we can attribute this to self interest.) However, with America (along with most other western nations) being a mixed economy (having been that way since the 1930s), there has most certainly been a great deal of cooperation among the government and companies (for example, the speed which exxon mobil merged.)

The question is, in a mixed economy, what extent do we attribute this axiomatic amorality of the bourgeoise to free market tendencies, and to what extent should we attribute this amorality to government? There is a consensus that both should take blame, but the balance, going off recent government policy, seems to be attributing more of this inefficency and amorality to capitalism.

Plain english:

How much is the problem of greed reducing living standards the governments intervening policies, and how much of it is capitalism?

[Mr. Hobo]

I'd say that reduction of the standard of living caused by the government is due to capitalism pervading it. (Lobbyists, funding for campaigns ect.)

[Ives]

Hmmm..would you then attribute government more or less power?

[Frizzle]

73% greed.

Oh wait, you didn't want a mathamatical answer?

[Mr. Hobo]

Less, coupled with a thorough purging and the removal of a hefty amount of the perks of being in office and allow the citizens to control the government through easy replacement of their representitives

[Myrddin]

In many respects, recent bourgeoise (owners and executives, anyways) seem to be written off as capitalists for their amorality and inefficency (we can attribute this to self interest.) However, with America (along with most other western nations) being a mixed economy (having been that way since the 1930s), there has most certainly been a great deal of cooperation among the government and companies (for example, the speed which exxon mobil merged.)

The question is, in a mixed economy, what extent do we attribute this axiomatic amorality of the bourgeoise to free market tendencies, and to what extent should we attribute this amorality to government? There is a consensus that both should take blame, but the balance, going off recent government policy, seems to be attributing more of this inefficency and amorality to capitalism.

Plain english:

How much is the problem of greed reducing living standards the governments intervening policies, and how much of it is capitalism?

Some body learned some new words lately "bourgeoise" grats man on using a word that has no place in a modern context

never seen such an awe inspiring statement of raw ignorance i commend you

[Mr. Hobo]

Elaborate please. And whats with the hostility?

Nevermind you're just a troll

[Ives]

Some body learned some new words lately "bourgeoise" grats man on using a word that has no place in a modern context

never seen such an awe inspiring statement of raw ignorance i commend you

I know firsthand how dumb I am. But hey, if I'm gonna fail, I'll fail hard. (I have a feeling you're just giving me shit for the sake of giving me shit though, and thats cool too. I hope you win.)

Bourgeoise doesnt have relevance, no - Ive just been on a marxist/neo marxist kick recently and I dont give a fuck as to how anachronistic my wording is.

Edited by Athean, 29 April 2009 - 09:15 PM.

[Grizzly]

Lol still creepin around the debate forums high, eh Athean?
I presume your 420 went well

[Ives]

Suprisingly sober as of recent, just reading too many fucked up ideas. Ive always preferred stoner language.. My 4/20 went well though..How are you?

[Grizzly]

Suprisingly sober as of recent, just reading too many fucked up ideas. Ive always preferred stoner language.. My 4/20 went well though..How are you?

I've been surprisingly sober myself. Been conserving my brain for the summer I s'pose.
Ha, I don't think we have the same definition of stoner language.

[Ives]

You're right man, its just my language...I'm me, you know? Don't really care what others think. I post my esoteric old fuck rants. I'm probably an idiot. But hey, I might be onto a little bit of something, and that keeps me going.