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#1 Boggart

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:15 AM

Okay so if you didn't know about my first experiment, not that important. Basically transferring hot items is impossible

Experiment part 2: I set the profit as 500k (with different IP's, bla bla bla) for stamps, magic, clothes, battle magic and plushies, using about 9 different accounts.

To start: set the buy delay at ~3000 MS. I didn't get much. Maybe one item every 2-3 days. So I lowered to ~2600. I got about 2-3 items a day (running basically for 24 hours). I let the account/items sit. A week passed, I safely transferred to a storage account. Everything was good

This continued for a little while longer at the same buy delay, with a good 2-3 items a day as usual. Let it sit, transfer to side account.

Sadly, 7/9 accounts were frozen yesterday. The only explanation I can give as to why some were frozen and some not was because the 2 accounts didn't get any 500k+ items from stamp or magic. They only got clothes and plushies. But who knows, they might get frozen too.

So that blows 2600 MS is NOT a risky speed at all. The items were NOT hot, the storage account and items are still safe ,but the accounts were not. I was thinking the range for hot accounts but safe items would be ~1700MS, not 2600 >_<.

However, the accounts could have been frozen due to the accounts being flagged, then me using them for subsequent AB'ing times.

I might try and see if I can get 1 items from magic/stamp, and not use that account for like a month, and see what happens.

The elapsed time of this experiment was slightly less than 2 weeks. I lost 7 accounts (although still did make a profit out of it xD).

So yeah. That's that. Just don't AB in magic, stamp and if you do get a good item, maybe don't use that account to AB for a while? Not sure

I think I might uncheck the "Purchase items deemed as "unbuyable" in the database :p Then safety would be +++++++

Regards :D

Edited by Boggart, 21 May 2010 - 07:18 AM.


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    #2 Puppetmaster

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:21 AM

    I always enjoy reading your reports. It makes me feel like I'm learning even though it's completely irrelevant in the real world and I really should be studying.

    I do like the idea of knowing what's "safe" and what's going to get your ass iced. I approve :thumbsup:

    #3 Jiraiya

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:21 AM

    Thanks for the report Boh.So what is ~3000MS?I dont get that.This is pretty good though because you can still get the items and only needs to sacrifice accounts.Profit still.



    #4 Boggart

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:27 AM

    heh heh thanks. I'm actually at school typing this because my Prof let us out early so we could study for the midterm in... 4 hours (but i Have a 2 hour class between then). Meh.

    Guess I'm going to have to start finding some accounts again *sigh*. That's really the hardest/worst part of these things :p

    Thanks for the report Boh.So what is ~3000MS?I dont get that.This is pretty good though because you can still get the items and only needs to sacrifice accounts.Profit still.



    It's not bad if you have a supplier for accounts/have a lot of shells lying around (I don't know why anyone would :/)

    ~3000 MS aka delays of 1.3-1.7 and 1.5-1.6

    #5 Waser Lave

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:38 AM

    For the next experiment I think you should try shops like books, chocolate, food or bakery with 5k min profit and ~2.5-3s buy speed. :p

    #6 Jake

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 08:42 AM

    ~3000 MS aka delays of 1.3-1.7 and 1.5-1.6


    I've abed several mps (2 worth 3 mill+) in the past couple of days with .3-.7 and .4-.8 times, no freeze yet :o Gonna settle down for a while.

    #7 Jake2

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 08:44 AM

    What's your profit margin, Jake?

    Take it from me, don't use settings that low. I was using .1 - .5 at one stage. Got pretty much everything that hit the shop. Got greedy & got mass chain iced.

    #8 Puppetmaster

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 08:59 AM

    I've abed several mps (2 worth 3 mill+) in the past couple of days with .3-.7 and .4-.8 times, no freeze yet :o Gonna settle down for a while.


    Good luck with not getting iced. Settling down a smidgen might not be a bad call ;)


    What's your profit margin, Jake?

    Take it from me, don't use settings that low. I was using .1 - .5 at one stage. Got pretty much everything that hit the shop. Got greedy & got mass chain iced.


    Lesson learned? Or are you pissing through accounts like mad? :p

    #9 Jake2

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 09:02 AM

    'eh.

    I don't run Abrosia much anymore.

    #10 Boggart

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 09:42 AM

    For the next experiment I think you should try shops like books, chocolate, food or bakery with 5k min profit and ~2.5-3s buy speed. :p


    That would be a pretty long experiment xD You'd never get frozen! :p But I Guess that's the point, eh? :) <----- Canadian slippage

    #11 Waser Lave

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 09:54 AM

    That would be a pretty long experiment xD You'd never get frozen! :p But I Guess that's the point, eh? :) <----- Canadian slippage


    Exactly, you could test how much profit you can make with those kind of settings in those shops. :p

    #12 Jake2

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 09:56 AM

    I see the experiment as kind of pointless. You're just going in a safe shop with safe settings. You're not really experimenting anything.

    If you did that in say, coin, where there's maximum profit to be made, then i'd say it would be worthwhile. "Is coin worth playing it safe?" and spend a week in coin with 3 - 5 second refresh rates with 25k+ profit. Something like that would be worth the time.

    Chocolate, bakery & food don't have enough profit to justify the time.

    #13 AliceFi

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:07 AM

    I've abed several mps (2 worth 3 mill+) in the past couple of days with .3-.7 and .4-.8 times, no freeze yet :o Gonna settle down for a while.


    i hope you don't get iced
    i guess i'll stay away then from stamps and magic too :D
    thx for sharing boggart!

    #14 StefanKai

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:16 AM

    How about for the next experiment, don't transfer the items. I haven't been banned and I've been using Abrosia for months on my main.

    Edited by Intrusion, 21 May 2010 - 10:16 AM.


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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:21 AM

    Very interesting report, I believe your 7 accounts got frozen for Abing too long( you said you had them on almost constantly) Otherwise, 3000ms is a VERY safe buy time. Too safe really, IMO.

    I use Buy times of over 1.5 and under 2.0 and haven't been frozen yet, but that is mostly due to me staying away from stamp and magic, and missing a ton of items at foods, books, bakery and clothing. Looks realistic, seeing as I miss say 70% of the items that restock there.

    #16 Jake

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:34 AM

    What's your profit margin, Jake?

    Take it from me, don't use settings that low. I was using .1 - .5 at one stage. Got pretty much everything that hit the shop. Got greedy & got mass chain iced.


    Like 2k.... but only several items other than mp's at magic are profitable. Thing is I miss quite a bit more than I stock, I also have other ways to look legit :)

    #17 Jake2

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:37 AM

    How do you miss 70% of items with 1.5-2 second load times?

    #18 Tsunade

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:46 AM

    Third experiment, Magic Shop, with no wait times, stopwatch how fast it takes to get iced :whistling:

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:48 AM

    For the next experiment I think you should try shops like books, chocolate, food or bakery with 5k min profit and ~2.5-3s buy speed. :p


    I've been using that and 3.0-3.5 and 3.5-4.0..Haven't gotten frozen yet for that and its been a couple of months..


    Bog...maybe go the other way..3.5 -4.0 delay time in magic/stamps or 5.0..

    Edited by Warriors, 21 May 2010 - 11:30 AM.


    #20 ArticTheTiger

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 10:54 AM

    Third experiment, Magic Shop, with no wait times, stopwatch how fast it takes to get iced :whistling:


    oh man, can't wait :D keep up the good work.

    #21 BuckFutter

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 11:48 AM

    I've bought nice stamps before on the same account, but remain uniced after continuously ABing. One of them is valued at millions, where several are over 500k+ in profit. I can PM you more details if you wish, but rather not post what stamps they were here :D

    #22 StefanKai

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 11:55 AM

    Magic is like the only shop that is guaranteed ice.

    #23 Puppetmaster

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 12:01 PM

    Magic is like the only shop that is guaranteed ice.


    Magic is a huge one, but stamps and battle magic aren't too far behind ;)

    #24 Jake2

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 12:11 PM

    Don't forget merifoods + wintery petpets. They get you iced pretty quick too. Low refresh times constantly in those shops is pretty fucking sus considering dick all stocks.

    #25 Tsunade

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    Posted 21 May 2010 - 01:13 PM

    Don't forget merifoods + wintery petpets. They get you iced pretty quick too. Low refresh times constantly in those shops is pretty fucking sus considering dick all stocks.


    Draik egg at Merifoods I understand, but what is there to get at wintery petpets? Ona? its like 50k profit tops and you are nearly guarenteed to get it because no-one shops there... its an awful place,

    Tyrannian petpets probably is the same then, chance to get the krawk but rarely anything good stocks...


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