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[Naded]

Being a university student in biology, I found myself to have more and more disbelief in Catholicism then before. All those scientific facts that explains how this world is works, when before we had some hypothetic bull shit to explain everything in the pre scientific era. A few examples are how people though the earth was flat, how they though the earth was in the middle of universe and the sun rotating around the earth, accusing people of wizardry and burning them for some of the most dumb reasons and it goes on.




So what im saying here, when you read the first page of the bible, it tells you how everything was created. Now God creates humans, but we have clear proof of evolution over the years.



I dont want to start a religious debate, far from that. But just give me your thoughts about this. What makes you "believe" and what makes you not think, that we are just an extremely fortunate bunch of lucky fuckers to even exist! Because on the scale of the universe, we (Earth) are a spec in the middle of nowhere. Oh and didin't mention that this spec, has a critical position in the universe for life to happen.

Food for thought.

Edited by Naded, 02 October 2010 - 07:14 PM.

[Mr. Hobo]

How anyone can be a Catholic in a modern country is beyond me...

Science isn't needed to undermine a belief in Catholicism but rather a minimal understanding of the workings and thorough corruption of the papacy both historical and present day

[Boggart]

I don't understand how people can deny evolution. It's logical and has so much evidence that it's one of the strongest theories out there. Survival of the fittest and natural selection = evolution.

I'm not saying that that's how all life forms began, mind you, but who says that God didn't create the world/ the big bang, and then let the Earth do its thing?

[Naded]

I know, and I read horror stories about priests abusing children in churches for sooooo many years. It simply fucking discusses me. And guess what? It gets covered up by the damn vatican unless the press knows. They have recently (relatively speaking) made some apologies to victims.

Edited by Naded, 02 October 2010 - 07:32 PM.

[Boggart]

I know, and I read horror stories about priests abusing children in churches for sooooo many years. It simply fucking discusses me. And guess what? It gets covered up by the damn vatican unless the press knows. They have recently (relatively speaking) made some apologies to victims.

That's... not related?

Edited by Boggart, 02 October 2010 - 07:36 PM.

[Mr. Hobo]

Oh I feel that to balance out my criticism and add some more relevance to my post I should mention that an Pope John Paul II was an incredible person with very few flaws, was what every pope should strive to be and that

On 22 October 1996, in a speech to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences plenary session at the Vatican, Pope John Paul II declared the evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin as factual, and wholly compatible with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church

[Scot]

[artificial]

The fact that you are in university and only just coming to terms with this is even more astonishing.

[Naded]

I'm not saying that that's how all life forms began, mind you, but who says that God didn't create the world/ the big bang, and then let the Earth do its thing?

Well scientist have made someinteresting discoveries the origin of life but are still very far from gettingthere. They were able to synthesize some of the very first amino acids byre-creating the original environment of the earth 3.6bil years ago. And thatsinteresting because they roughly know what where the percentage of the elementsback then. So life might have been created from a specific micro environmentand evolved until how we know it today.



Like I kinda want to believe, but imtrying to find my moral logic balance of faith/belief vs all of thosescientific advances that I see in my classes everyday.





Oh and congrats on your 3000thpost! Im glad it was on my thread!


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That's... not related? ]

[size=3]Well I was replying to Mr Hobo on the corruption comment

Edited by Naded, 02 October 2010 - 07:43 PM.

[Boggart]

Oh and congrats on your 3000thpost! Im glad it was on my thread!


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[size=3]Well I was replying to Mr Hobo on the corruption comment

Oh haha my bad And thanks

[Torque]

It never really made sense to me. It pisses me off how much churches make tax free. Then the government gives churches money to rebuild/build new ones.

[Melchoire]

It makes sense that you're new to codex because this WILL turn into a religious debate.

Btw, do you play Halo?

[Justinnn]

But you can't disprove anything.

/troll

[Gee]

You can be Catholic and still believe in Evolution you know.
What about all those scientists. Believe it or not, they're not ... GASP, atheists! A lot of modern scientists now are Christian or Catholic. I am Catholic myself but I find the whole concept of Creationism ... well, it's not for me.
Just like people can be Catholic and not be raging homophobics, lol.

[Justinnn]

You can be Catholic and still believe in Evolution you know.
What about all those scientists. Believe it or not, they're not ... GASP, atheists! A lot of modern scientists now are Christian or Catholic. I am Catholic myself but I find the whole concept of Creationism ... well, it's not for me.
Just like people can be Catholic and not be raging homophobics, lol.

^This guy.

Religion isn't so much of a drain if it doesn't insist on being an objective solution. When its morals, principles and structure become flexible around an individual's own beliefs, then Religion is quite joyous.

[Volition]

believing in evolution doesn't really make you less of a catholic. A teacher at my school has a phd in evolution (or something to that effect) and also runs the christian life club. Evolution has more evidence and is a lot more believable than "god created the heavens and earth, then he said "let there be light". Which leads me to the conclusion that god (if real) is pretty damn skilled for making everything in the dark.

[Naded]

Yeah I get the points of everyone, perhaps its just a part of my life which I am putting everything in question.

Its just that there used to be so many things explained with religion before scientific experiences proved them wrong. We are still at just the beginning of modern science, I mean I can barely imagine all the new discoveries in 100 years from now. What if we (humans) discover that life can be created artificially? These are the type of questions I can't help myself to think about. I think the real debate is inside my head at this point lol