Hawk

Got my 6 pack ready

Bum.

I'm almost six deep already.  I stocked up on el-cheapo beer just for this.

OMG, I so want to see this. Is there any way to see it online?

That debate will be funnier than Seinfeld.

It won't be that humorous.  It'll be interesting, but I'd watch Seinfeld if I wanted a laugh.

I'm sure it'll be streamed.  It's on FOX, but you already mentioned you're not in the US.  I'd check the FOX news website (Why wouldn't they try to capitalize on that?), or find some other re-stream online.

Don- Your "Who is John Kasich?" shot would lead to a destructive feedback loop.  

No particular order:

• Sports Car / Sporty Sedan - I have a functional vehicle and I can't do it.  My appliance gets me to and from my destination safely, it's completely paid off, I just can't justify spending a good chunk of change on another car.
• Motorcycle - I'd never ride because I'd be concerned about the other drivers around me, so I cannot justify the cost.  Plus I'd likely kill myself on one.
• House - Private Mortgage Insurance is a bitch and I can't throw down 20%.  Someday....
• Private Pilots License - Well.... Still considering this.  Do not know if it'd be worth the 8-10k to do it, though.
• HTPC / NAS - I really should just do this, it's cheap enough....
• A new HDTV - My current one has a failing DLP chip (Damn you Texas Instruments!).  I just haven't pulled the trigger on a new, skinny, LCD TV yet.  Undecided if I want smart features or not, but it's to the point where they're unavoidable, which kinda sucks.  Also falls under the "I should do this, it's cheap enough" category.

Can the soccer ball be a toy?

Can I print a picture of the soccer ball and set it next to a fire hydrant, take a picture of it, then photoshop myself into that picture?

I'm pulling the GRAAAAAAAAAVEE DIGGER!

Not a favorite, but I must revive the topic: 

What in the world is going on in here.

Alright, here's my 200th post.  I'm going to follow the rules.

@Napiform

Here it is:

I live in Alabama , does that count for anything?

I need proof.

Scale of 1-10, how attractive are your cousins?

Do you hunt for your meat?

You really need to hunt for a good piece of meat.

I thought reset happened on a rolling basis...like 24 hours after a post has been made?

This is technically correct.

English.

Yeah, we're speaking that.

Watch your mouth...the cowboys are going all the way this year! @Hawk

Hahahahaha

don't judge...on 100 post day, anything goes as long as its not spam. 

How dare people complain about that on 100 post day.

Or any day for that matter.  Woo activity!

I'm retarded.

Let's get the ball rolling, bud.  I appreciate the fact that you changed fonts midway through your rant.  Proves you're an original thinker.

 

It just pisses me off. These same people judging this woman, saying things like "she should have prayed" are the same people who blamed a tornado that killed several in an ELEMENTARY school on a town for not being religious enough. That "God" is dishing out punishment to the wicked children or families of those children. These people will "pray" for their salvation while casting judgement instead of actually doing anything to help rebuild, save those still under rubble, go around collecting donations or offering a home for those who lost theirs, or anything else that will ACTUALLY help.

Please do yourself a massive favor and start ignoring extremists.  That may include yourself, based on your ranting.  The people who blame a tornado for hitting an elementary school are like Jihadists who commit acts of terror - Small, denounced subsets of an otherwise reasonable religion.  I am so glad you make that your point of reference, because that's a nice straw man.

Plenty of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, and atheists DO help rebuild, save those still under rubble, collect and donate to causes, etc.  Instead, like I said, you're focusing on a very vocal minority, and a small one at that.

 

Remember that big tsunami/earthquake in Japan? Same people saying the people of Japan DESERVE it because the majority isn't CHRISTIAN.

Same with other events and tragedies.

And if you're listening to that, and getting pissed off (Which I think you are), you're their intended audience.  It's working.  BTW, stay on topic.

Now I do know there are exceptions to these people. That some churches actually care about people more than profits. There always is, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the type of people who did and are doing what I quoted to countless others... all in the name of their god.

 

And in reality, what can most individuals do for the person they're praying for?  I'm no surgeon, I'm no general practitioner, I'm no anesthesiologist, or dentist, or a fucking pharmacist.  

This was not about forcing prayer on others until you made it so.

I agree with a bit of your third line that I quoted.  Praying, even if it only gives a small glimmer of hope, is effective.  It's amazing how powerful our minds can be.  If it encourages someone to not give up in a life-or-death situation, how is that not beneficial?

I disagree with your idea that payer can be weaponized.  Until my local FOX News station (Take that bait, please) starts talking about PMDs (Prayers of Mass Destruction) I think we have little to fear in that regards.

 

 

Like for the topic at hand. "She should have prayed for a miracle." She didn't therefore she's a coward, bad person/less of a person than "me", etc etc. Now how do you think the loved ones she left behind feel having to grieve AND deal with these idiots. Then the media constantly regurgitating that same garbage over and over again... they can't escape it.

You don't know if she prayed for a miracle.  She could have prayed on it for a long time.  Or meditated on it.  Or slept on it.  Or who-knows-what?  It doesn't matter.  She did what brought her peace in light of a terminal disease.

I am going to disregard the rant about homosexuality.  That's a different topic.  All your other rants have been at least relatively related to the original topic or tangentially related to your rant.

 

You mention maybe we should be fighting more, but we're already fighting plenty. Been doing so for years because one country isn't Christian while the other has "too many Christians" so we have to be attacked, have our people beheaded, etc. for THEIR god. Yes, technology is advancing but it's advancing weapons so we can destroy ourselves and each other. If the current religions went the way of the Greeks' & Romans' then we'd have less things to fight about. Instead of pulling much of our resources to war we could put them into education, science, etc. 

Let's keep talking about extremist points of view....

 

Your example of the Manhattan Project actually furthers my point. The atom bomb was created as a response to World War II. WWII started because the Germans (the Germanic peoples—also referred to as the Nordic race—were considered to be the purest representation of Aryanism, and therefore the master race. Aryan mysticism claimed that Christianity originated in Aryan religious tradition and that Jews had usurped the legend from Aryans.) So once again Christianity influenced craziness that caused the slaughter of over 6 million Jews. No superior White Christian "master race", no WWII, no Manhattan Project.

The atom bomb was a collaboration of brilliant minds to race the Nazis and Soviets to the creation of a weapon that could end a war.  It was the type of project that could only be produced during a war, and the world is reaping it's benefits since.  Since then, the technology has been successfully implemented in power generation.  Not sure on the exact statistics but it likely provides 1/6th of the world's power right now.

Another great benefit of the militarization (or rather, lack of demilitarization) of the U.S. is GPS.  The constant threat of being one-upped has led to plenty of technological innovations, likely that you use daily, that you do not even notice.

 

The US spends "$287 billion to $530 billion" because of war. Much of which is fought in the middle east. Because their religion is at conflict with ours and our values. Because their religion hurts their own people worse than ours hurts us. Now imagine if we either had no religion or, at the very least, could accept that no one religion is right (or wrong). Not only would we be able to free up more money for scientific advancement in medicine but could be that much closer to working together... not as individual nations but as a whole: the people of Earth, brothers and sisters in humanity. Though... in all fairness, in our current state of humanity, we may just end up finding more stupid things to fight over.

There's the change in font I was referencing.  Has your opinion on this matter changed lately?  Because "Because their religion is at conflict with ours and our values" sounds like a Muslim extremist given the pretext.  Then again, you also continue your rant about no religion being right or wrong - Which is quite funny from my point of view.  The three major monotheistic religions all follow the same general theme, the details have been translated (Exception being Islam, which is only correct in Arabic if I remember correctly) or transcribed many times.  Still, the gist is the same.  Sane followers of the religions realize that, and do not harbor ill-will towards followers of other religions.

Not quite sure where you were going with the second half of that rant.  Religion is not a major reason scientific advancement is not furthered.  Like I said in an earlier post, science and religion can work together, and the two are not in conflict.

Also, you're right, we'd find more to fight over.  Because there will always be extremists.

 

 

I suppose, ultimately though, my anger comes from being on the receiving end of these same "caring" Christians who want to "pray for my salvation" or feel the need to tell me I'm going to hell because I'm bisexual. That I'm a bad person who should kill myself because I'm how I am or don't believe in their god. That just because I used to wear all black I was gothic therefore a Satanist and it was okay to say all the cruelest things one can think up. Saying "you'll pray for me" just made me question myself and feel like complete shit. Etc etc. To an extent, I'm walking in similar shoes as this family is now. Different types of hate and judgement, but all from the same source: judgemental Christians.

Congrats on swinging both ways.  Nobody cares.  If they do, you shouldn't care how they feel.

 

I am sorry I got so far off topic. This just triggered some memories I've long tried to bury, and I let my anger from it get the best of me this time. I am also sorry for offending you and anyone else. I do respect your opinions (and appreciate knocking some sense back into me, reminding me #notallreligions and #notallChristians are the source of the problems that religions as a whole may or may not directly be responsible for). If you're religious then good for you. Do what you need to do. I respect your choice even if I don't agree with yours or anyone else's religion. All I ask, beg is that you and others don't let your religion (whatever it may be) cause you to bring any form of pain (emotional, mental, or physical) to others just because they don't see eye to eye with you. Don't let religion be the see all, be all, do all that some get carried away... (like those who allow their children to die because their religion doesn't allow modern medicine).

I can tell.

I want to call out one line in particular that you said, "I respect your choice even if I don't agree with yours or anyone else's religion. All I ask, beg is that you and others don't let your religion (whatever it may be) cause you to bring any form of pain (emotional, mental, or physical) to others just because they don't see eye to eye with you."

That holds equally true to nonbelievers as well.  If you want your opinion to be taken seriously, don't take an extreme point of view.  Be reasonable.  Don't act like the massive douchebag you were in that post.

Finally, this thread had nothing to do about religion denying modern medicine.  There are very few that do not allow transfusions, but beyond that it's only people with extreme views that would refuse.  It's a religious parable I've heard before, but if you can't draw the relation to modern medicine that's too bad.

Right. Cause praying solves EVERY problem.
Lazy sobs. Don't pray about solving problems, do something about them.

We get past this religious mumbo jumbo and we will make great strives in civilization advancements.

Perhaps if we weren't so busy fighting over bs religious reasons then we would have had the technology to cure her and other "terminally" ill people.

 

At the very least people need to mind their own dang business.

Unless you've walked in another person's shoes (and really, not even then) then you have no right to judge others.

Pray for a miracle... pfft.

 

It's like...

"I pray for the homeless every night."
That's nice. You do that while I volunteer at a soup kitchen or gather winter clothes & blankets.

 

Sorry. Sorry. Another debate for another day. orz

 

Edit: Oops, I was responding to a new post. Didn't realize we were on the second page already.

I will go line-by-line, including those not relevant at all to this debate.  I will also remark about the irrelevance at every opportunity.  Since you've opted to be a prick and go off-topic, I shall do the same.

Your sarcasm is wonderful, and is solving every problem in this thread.  Congratulations on picking out an oddball line to go on a religious rant on an otherwise on-topic discussion.

Describing those who pray as "Lazy slobs" is the best way to convert people to your cause.  Prayer can be mighty helpful to those dealing with any situation, even if it does have no real affect on any outcome.

Religious mumbo jumbo, while at times has led to war, is no longer the popular one among historians.  Science, which leads to the advancement of civilization, is not in conflict with religion.  Also, take a look at history and get back to me about some guys involved in the Manhattan Project, or science in the Islamic world.  You're clueless if you think that religious mumbo jumbo stifles civilization's advancements.

Perhaps if we were fighting over more stuff we'd have the technology.  It's quite crazy how quickly technology advances when you're trying to one up the people trying to kill you.

You're damn right, people should mind their own business, so you're on this rant why?

I agree, unless you've walked in another person's shoes, you have no right to judge others.  I still want to pose the question: So why are you tearing down people for their religious beliefs?

How dare people pray for a miracle.  That causes so much harm to everyone, everywhere.

If praying for the homeless is all you can do, why should you stop?  If it gives someone some sense of satisfaction, that is great.  Religious organizations donate a ton of resources (Time, money, food, etc.) to help the homeless.

That is for another day, but you made it for today in an off-topic way.