giraffe

+4 hp today

Can TNT see if the goals are scored by your own team? 

Well I've scored goals on myself legit all the time with stuff like the darigan yooyu or annoying/unexpected character switching. lol.  Not sure that makes it look less legit

Well I think the stockmarket limit is more reasonable because it limits upper end players to a similar profit margin than poorer players, because you only need 15k/day to get maximum value from it.

But with the shops, it doesn't make sense because you can get around that via the TP and auctions etc.
 

Well I'm a functioning alcoholic (only on the weekends when I'm free) and that's how I always did pot, too.  Never on a night when I had to do something the next day (and I don't smoke at all now because I don't want to get deported here).  But the only way that has ever affected me is when I was drunkenly singing in karaoke and lost my voice.

And I took my ex's adderall during spring break my last year and wrote my thesis in five days.

Of course it felt worse. It was a better consequence. And you felt resentful because you were a child, without the capacity to see that it was an effective sanction. Well, that, or your parents weren't all that great.

Not a great way to make an argument btw. 

And I'm not sure why feeling worse is a better option when you're concerned that spanking could cause emotional scarring. 
 

Teaching a child that the appropriate way to deal with problems is by using physical violence is a terrible idea. That, as far as I can see, is an unbelievably simple concept.

I still don't know why this is the only lesson you think children draw from physical punishment, or why it's better than the equal "it's okay as long as it's only emotionally damaging" 
However, I think this is the best argument I've seen, and don't really have a counter for it.

Of course it felt worse. It was a better consequence. And you felt resentful because you were a child, without the capacity to see that it was an effective sanction. Well, that, or your parents weren't all that great.

Besides, if you look, it is the people who have children who either agree with me, or have come to. The people who dispute it don't actually have any children of their own, or any actual experience in child care other than the efforts of their own parents, and immediate family. We call that "emotionally clouded".

You don't necessarily know other people's situations to judge their 'emotional cloudedness'.  I mean, aren't you equally emotionally clouded by your relationship with your children?  It's a two-way street. 
And again with the insults not helping support you.
 

You felt that it was far worse because it is a better punishment overall, not because it was emotionally damaging. Taking a kid's ipod away or making them do extra chores (which, to answer your question, i am a huge fan of - more on that later), is not "hurting" them. Yes, it is unpleasant for them, but not scarring (and also helps combat that fucking annoying sense of entitlement that so many kids have). A "slight spank," whether truly physically painful or not, is not an effective means of punishment for creatures with independent thought. It's a short burst of aggression that teaches nothing except, "If you dont do what i say, i will hurt you." Spanking and then talking about what happened afterward is marginally better, but there still is no need for spanking when it could easily be replaced with other, non-physical forms of punishment as the front-line response with a follow-up talk afterward. Treating children as if they are inferior to adults and therefore do not deserve the same respect when it comes to discipline is demeaning to them as people. Just because they are younger or smaller than us does not mean that we have the right to hit them, and does not mean that they can't learn by the same methods we use with other adults.

On extra chores - I think it should suit the infraction and the age of the child. My children both do chores on their own anyway (3 and 4 year old girls) and they enjoy doing them for the most part, so I don't tend to use that one for my own girls very much unless the house is just really messy and what they did is something that would warrant chores as a consequence.

You still haven't told me why spanking is scarring but this isn't.  And my spankings were never "short bursts of agression".  They were deliberate with the discussions of their reasoning BEFORE, not after.  They weren't "front-line" responses.  They always come for repeated offenses and AFTER a verbal warning of what the consequence would be.  It wasn't like I got handed spankings willy-nilly.  I can only think of two times I was spanked.  Removal of privileges always came first.  Always.  And I knew exactly what it meant to my parents to have to spank me (although I appreciate the "this hurts me more than you" a lot more now).

It sounds to me more like you're stressing moderation rather than non-violence, because you can be non-violent and still be incredibly damaging to someone.

I want to say that I disagree because I DO think that children are different (not necessarily inferior) to adults and the same methods of learning aren't as effective.  That's why preschools look remarkably different from college classrooms.

That being said,

Just because they are younger or smaller than us does not mean that we have the right to hit them

This is probably the best thing in that entire block, as far as I'm concerned.

And just to be clear, I'm tired so this is me conceding that you have definitely affected my opinion even if it isn't necessarily changed, but I'm tired and moving on 

Woo!