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[phalkon]

okay, so my buddy and i have been watching the news like all of you have i'm sure, getting info from the net, etc... anyway, i know a lot of people (including internet groups (here's looking at you, anon)). and while i do agree with some of the *ideals* of Wikileaks, there are obviously issues that arise.

yes, information sharing is important. it's nice to know the truth, but the biggest problem with this is the *FACT* that you just cannot talk about troop movements and give away government secrets. that's something called "treason". now pay attention to this part, kiddies: GIVING AWAY INFORMATION PUTS EVERYONE AT RISK.

why should you care? i don't know. you may have your own reasons... or not. but *I* get put at risk for being in the military. MY brothers and sisters in arms are now AT RISK, because terrorist cells can easily use this information against us. i'm sorry, but if i came across this guy, i would have absolutely no problem at all handing is own ass to him, before killing him. if i could, i'd go back in time and kill him. why? because people have died and will die because of him.

anyway, that's my two cents. i don't want to die. i joined the military to fight for my country, and (possibly) die for my country. i didn't join to die because some asshole didn't know that sometimes governments keep secrets for a reason.

and if anon (or any other entity) has a problem with it, i'd like to meet one (or 5... or whatever) members in person. i'd love to see them handle *me* when they don't have a computer to hide behind.

[Waser Lave]

Wikileaks aren't the problem, the person/people who leaked the information in the first place are the problem (and subsequently the military's security procedures).

[phalkon]

of course it also doesn't have to be plastered around the internet.

it's almost like the Napster effect...

...except instead of rich musicians getting gypped a few bucks, honorable* people's lives are put at risk


*(because hey, i know that not everyone in the military is the most upright of citizens)

[Waser Lave]

of course it also doesn't have to be plastered around the internet.

it's almost like the Napster effect...

...except instead of rich musicians getting gypped a few bucks, honorable* people's lives are put at risk


*(because hey, i know that not everyone in the military is the most upright of citizens)

That's what journalists do, they get access to information and then make that information available for the general public. The important question is how somebody was able to gain access to and download over 250,000 top secret diplomatic cables.

[Hydrogen]

If you wanted a real discussion, an aggressive post isn't the way to get it. This thread was over before it started .

[Bryan]

I'm sorry. I find it difficult that this information wasn't available to others. We have bigger issues to worry about than what's contained in the files if one man can gain access to all of this. How about security? Yea, it may be public, but I don't think our enemies are scouring RSS feeds in order to find enemy troop locations... I'm sure they have more efficient methods.

[Ment0r]

The TITLE of this thread should be:


I am right, you are wrong. Nothing to see here, move along!

Edited by PR4Y, 09 December 2010 - 04:25 PM.

[Sweeney]

Which of the cables, exactly, put troops at risk? Specifically?

[Ment0r]

Which of the cables, exactly, put troops at risk? Specifically?

I can't imagine how knowing the location of any given set of troops over a year ago could put someone in jeopardy today... Unless there is locations of SECRET military installation in the documents? I doubt the US and it's allies have any SECRET bases in Iraq / Afghanistan that the people don't know about... as it would be kind of hard to hide something like that in a country at war.

[ToxicS]

I can't imagine how knowing the location of any given set of troops over a year ago could put someone in jeopardy today... Unless there is locations of SECRET military installation in the documents? I doubt the US and it's allies have any SECRET bases in Iraq / Afghanistan that the people don't know about... as it would be kind of hard to hide something like that in a country at war.

QFT

Anyways, the pros way outweight the cons of wikileaks, so it is better overrall to have it. I hate how corrupt our government is, and I hope some fraction of change will result from wikileaks. (and the change not just being trying to kill assange for being basically the same as the time magazine or the guardian )

[Mr. Hobo]

He is an Australian citizen, it can't possibly be treason. No one has been hurt by the leaks despite what fox news and the government claims. He's a journalist and should be afford protection as such. He's leaked stuff on plenty of governments, the hate just starts now that he's releasing stuff on America.

Rewrote posts for coherency and I think caps were giving the wrong message

[PeonYourLawn]

He does show me a new perspective I have never thought about though, quite interesting.

[ShadowLink64]

Which of the cables, exactly, put troops at risk? Specifically?

I agree. It's not like the cables with super sensitive information (such as locations of troops, informants, etc.) are being published in their full form. The major newspapers, and Wikileaks themselves, practice harm minimization which involves them reading through the content and withholding sensitive material that may pose an immediate danger to someone. That is why they're releasing them slowly (only about 1,000 are released at this point in time out of 250,000).

I think that if the US has someone to blame, it is not Assange, but the member of their own army who leaked the information in the first place. Assange and the associated members of Wikileaks are doing what any other journalistic entity would do if given documents of this calibre.

The US also has their own system to blame for allowing someone to access all of this information. There should have been restrictions in place.

Lastly, don't even bring up treason. That makes very little sense given that he's not even a citizen of the United States.

[ToxicS]

It's scary how much it echoes what is happening today.

[Melchoire]

Your time in the army was time well wasted...no one needed you to fight for them.

[Waser Lave]

I also find it interesting that some people can accuse Wikileaks and Julian Assange of putting lives at risk when American politicians are openly calling for him to be 'hunted down' like Osama Bin Laden...because a journalist who releases some classified diplomatic cables (which contain nothing particularly damaging so far) is definitely in the same league as a person who masterminded the murder of thousands of innocent people.

[PeonYourLawn]

I also find it interesting that some people can accuse Wikileaks and Julian Assange of putting lives at risk when American politicians are openly calling for him to be 'hunted down' like Osama Bin Laden...because a journalist who releases some classified diplomatic cables (which contain nothing particularly damaging so far) is definitely in the same league as a person who masterminded the murder of thousands of innocent people.

Unless WTC was a conspiracy!


I've heard he's posted some distasteful videos on a military unit. A part of the dialogue went like........"Oh my god I have just ran over a body , HAHAHAHAHA"

I don't know how far its going to go. But can't the gov't just shut down the site? or has it already been done

[Seaner]

and if anon (or any other entity) has a problem with it, i'd like to meet one (or 5... or whatever) members in person. i'd love to see them handle *me* when they don't have a computer to hide behind.

COME AT ME BRO

[ToxicS]

Unless WTC was a conspiracy!


I've heard he's posted some distasteful videos on a military unit. A part of the dialogue went like........"Oh my god I have just ran over a body , HAHAHAHAHA"

I don't know how far its going to go. But can't the gov't just shut down the site? or has it already been done

http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html

So basically it's impossible , those numbers are increasing by the hundreds daily

And about WTC?

[PeonYourLawn]

http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html

So basically it's impossible , those numbers are increasing by the hundreds daily

And about WTC?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E

mind = blown.


LOL@ the Come at me bro comment up top

[iargue]

http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html

So basically it's impossible , those numbers are increasing by the hundreds daily

And about WTC?

Oh fuck. That guy was head of intelligence? Now 9/11 makes plenty of sense.

And now I get why we keep hitting our own tanks with airstrikes and shit. That guy is a fucking moron.

[Mr. Hobo]

Your time in the army was time well wasted...no one needed you to fight for them.

Why bring in personal attacks. And I find it reassuring that there's we've an army to protect us in case something goes wrong

[Noitidart]

I think names should have definitely been removed, but I think when wikileaks reached out to the government to help them strike out specific names they refused? I dont know why you need to ask government for help to strike out names, shouldn't be too hard to identify, but that's what I heard. No specific places have been given away though just named.

[Scot]

Your time in the army was time well wasted...no one needed you to fight for them.

I wouldn't say wasted. Someone's got to keep my gas prices low.

[phalkon]

I can't imagine how knowing the location of any given set of troops over a year ago could put someone in jeopardy today... Unless there is locations of SECRET military installation in the documents? I doubt the US and it's allies have any SECRET bases in Iraq / Afghanistan that the people don't know about... as it would be kind of hard to hide something like that in a country at war.

the fact that it leaks tactics which we currently use.

Which of the cables, exactly, put troops at risk? Specifically?

there was a time when your sarcasm amused me, but then i realized they are vain attempts at thinking you are superior to someone. i'd love to see you risk your life once, instead of sitting behind a warm screen trying to poke fun at others who actually do something for their country.

COME AT ME BRO

no problem, give me your address and i will.

Your time in the army was time well wasted...no one needed you to fight for them.

and i'm sure you've been quite fantastic for your nation as well. if you don't have anything better waiting for you on the horizon, i can end you dragging the rest of your people down, they'd probably be better off without you.



anyone else care to personally attack me for being upset about something that actually affects me and people i care about?