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[travis]

I swear, if I hear one more mother fucker say that China owns the US, or we owe China over half our debt, I'm gonna rip off their head, shit down their neck, and fuck the stump.

1.22% - Despository Institutions
1.30% - Insurance Comapnies
1.76% - State & Local Gov't Pensions
2.05% - Savings Bonds
2.38% - Private pensions
3.76% - Other Investors
4.74% - Mutual Funds
5.50% - State and Local Governments
27.90% - Foregin and International
49.37% - Federal Reserve and Intragovernmental Holdings

Get shit straight.

Discuss disinformation.

[Scot]

You have to admit they have us by the balls. I mean what would happen if China stopped buying U.S. bonds and started dumping them?

[Abradix]

You have to admit they have us by the balls. I mean what would happen if China stopped buying U.S. bonds and started dumping them?

This. Its cool to stand behind your country and all, but knowing whats going on with your country is even cooler.

This thread is now about Travis' disinformation.

Edited by Abradix, 24 January 2011 - 01:25 AM.

[jcrdude]

You have to admit they have us by the balls. I mean what would happen if China stopped buying U.S. bonds and started dumping them?

Then all the USD that China owns would be worthless.

They can't knock us down without shooting themselves in the foot.

[Tigerzz]

This. Its cool to stand behind your country and all, but knowing whats going on with your country is even cooler.

This thread is now about Travis' disinformation.

Hahaa. I agree with her too, i've only just seen brief parts in the news this morning but so far i'd guess that america is the litter country here.

Then all the USD that China owns would be worthless.

They can't knock us down without shooting themselves in the foot.

That's why they more than likely wont, i think there just trying to make a point or threaten them or something. - Really need to research on it though.

[iargue]

You have to admit they have us by the balls. I mean what would happen if China stopped buying U.S. bonds and started dumping them?

Other people would buy US bonds, china has a shitton of people. So they obviously buy a shitton. Doesnt mean they are the only people in the world.

This. Its cool to stand behind your country and all, but knowing whats going on with your country is even cooler.

This thread is now about Travis' disinformation.

Considering that hes posting about who holds our National Debt, I would say that he is still very well informed.

Then all the USD that China owns would be worthless.

They can't knock us down without shooting themselves in the foot.

Not to mention that they traded over 366 billion dollars worth of goods with us last year.

Somebody explain what country can replace that kind of buying power? We basically atleast half of China's economy. I would say they are fucked without us. We may be fucked without them (India has a shitton of people. I think they can take over China's job)

Hahaa. I agree with her too, i've only just seen brief parts in the news this morning but so far i'd guess that america is the litter country here.

litter country here? Do you mean littler country? Because then yes. China both has a bigger population then we do, and is much bigger then we are.

But let me show you this handy graph by google (They do graphs so well)

http://www.google.co...=49&hl=en&dl=en

Our GDP is 14 trillion.
China's GDP is 4 trillion.

I dont need to be a math whiz to know which one is bigger (Hint, you where wrong).

Like the original poster said, "I grow very weary of disinformation."

That's why they more than likely wont, i think there just trying to make a point or threaten them or something. - Really need to research on it though.

You realize that your posting in a topic about how someone is "weary" of people saying stuff without researching it. Right?

Oh wait. Your trying to be top poster all the time. Forgot

[Abradix]

"Look how small china is. I have a graph!"

Lets look at the graph in 2 years shall we?

[iargue]

"Look how small china is. I have a graph!"

Lets look at the graph in 2 years shall we?

Really? You think china is going to gain 10 trillion dollars worth of GDP in just 2 years? Really?

Lets look at their growth so far.

In 70 years, we have grown about 13.5 trillion dollars in GDP, while china has grown 4 trillion.

So either they will have to learn how to turn rice into gold, steal the moon and hold it ransom, take over the rest of the world.

Tiny little Japan is beating China in GDP still.... (And they have no natural resources left!)

[Tigerzz]

Other people would buy US bonds, china has a shitton of people. So they obviously buy a shitton. Doesnt mean they are the only people in the world.




Considering that hes posting about who holds our National Debt, I would say that he is still very well informed.



Not to mention that they traded over 366 billion dollars worth of goods with us last year.

Somebody explain what country can replace that kind of buying power? We basically atleast half of China's economy. I would say they are fucked without us. We may be fucked without them (India has a shitton of people. I think they can take over China's job)



litter country here? Do you mean littler country? Because then yes. China both has a bigger population then we do, and is much bigger then we are.

But let me show you this handy graph by google (They do graphs so well)

http://www.google.co...=49&hl=en&dl=en

Our GDP is 14 trillion.
China's GDP is 4 trillion.

I dont need to be a math whiz to know which one is bigger (Hint, you where wrong).

Like the original poster said, "I grow very weary of disinformation."



You realize that your posting in a topic about how someone is "weary" of people saying stuff without researching it. Right?

Oh wait. Your trying to be top poster all the time. Forgot

Well at least you remembered this time.
and it's not of all time.. just until i get the 500 then i'll shut up and just lurk, all those posts was yesterday, it's now 10:25am where i am. Not my fault they havn't updated yet
I know how many people including red necks and those guys from the hills have eyes there are in america.
I cba arguing with you though, you're the king of arguing and i like you for that so i'll end this with fuck you but have a nice day.

[iargue]

As you are so good at using Google, perhaps you should do a bit more research on Chinas GDP. Also look at what some of the worlds greatest economists (included those in the US) are trying to tell the world about China's economy.

I'll give you 1 link to start with.

As you are so good at using Google, perhaps you should do a bit more research on Chinas GDP. Also look at what some of the worlds greatest economists (included those in the US) are trying to tell the world about China's economy.

I'll give you 2 links to start with.
This article predicts china will over take the US economy by 2020. Note the article was written in 2009 and makes mention of the fact Chinas economy will start to grow more rapidly as of mid 2010, a prediction which has pretty much come true.

This article is predicting a similiar thing, however it was written in 2010.

Why do you think your government is trying to ease the diplomatic tensions with China?

Yes. And here is the funny thing.

We have predicted that we would be driving flying cars for around 60 years now.

Sadly. I go to work every day, along with 6 billion other people, on cars that cant fly.

There is this -amazing- thing about predictions.

Wait for it

Waiiiittt

They are guesses.

Well at least you remembered this time.
and it's not of all time.. just until i get the 500 then i'll shut up and just lurk, all those posts was yesterday, it's now 10:25am where i am. Not my fault they havn't updated yet
I know how many people including red necks and those guys from the hills have eyes there are in america.
I cba arguing with you though, you're the king of arguing and i like you for that so i'll end this with fuck you but have a nice day.

Er. So you dont live in the us then. Okay. Clears things up

And fuck you? . I never showed any hate in my post. I even gave you a smiley face!

[Tigerzz]

Er. So you dont live in the us then. Okay. Clears things up

And fuck you? . I never showed any hate in my post. I even gave you a smiley face!

I'm British, now you know haha.

I gave you one too, so it wasn't hate. It was a joke It's okay!

[iargue]

I'm British, now you know haha.

I gave you one too, so it wasn't hate. It was a joke It's okay!

I never said fuck you in my post .

[Tigerzz]

I never said fuck you in my post .

would it make a difference if i removed it?


.../feels bad.

[Abradix]

Really? You think china is going to gain 10 trillion dollars worth of GDP in just 2 years? Really?

They haven't been in the global superpower game long, but they're good at it. Rule #1 is to not pump money into futile wars.
But you're right, living in a bubble is much easier.

(v) See how happy undying loyalty to a failing and corrupt government can make you?

[iargue]

They haven't been in the global superpower game long, but they're good at it. Rule #1 is to not pump money into futile wars.
But you're right, living in a bubble is much easier.

(v) See how happy undying loyalty to a failing and corrupt government can make you?

All government is corrupt. But some how we managed to survive 200 years like this, I think we can survive 2 more years at the top.

You seem to completely ignore the basis of the economy. The United States Economic strength is based entirely upon the business's in there, not the government.

See. The government gets x amount of money from taxes every year. That money happens to come from trade within our country and other countries. The us can spend 100% of that money on a war in Iraq, and -still- Walmart would make the same exact amount of money.

Learn the different between "Government" and "Economy". Please.

would it make a difference if i removed it?


.../feels bad.

That word has already be ushered. You cant just take something like that back.

I never mean anything hateful from my arguments. I simply use them as a learning experience.

[Abradix]

See. The government gets x amount of money from taxes every year. That money happens to come from trade within our country and other countries. The us can spend 100% of that money on a war in Iraq, and -still- Walmart would make the same exact amount of money.

They're not making the same amount though, if the value of the dollar is globally plummeting.

And I'm not being hateful either (I can be unintentionally abrasive) this is the internet, nothing is THAT serious.

[iargue]

They're not making the same amount though, if the value of the dollar is globally plummeting.

And I'm not being hateful either (I can be unintentionally abrasive) this is the internet, nothing is THAT serious.

The value of the dollar constantly fluctuates. For instance, in 1990, the US Dollar was worth 0.8343, while in 2010 the US Dollar worth was 0.7176. Considering that most international transactions take place in USD, it would seem like they are making the same amount of money in USD.

You also have to consider that each country has its own level of inflation. For instance, while 1 USD might only be worth 0.7176 of a Euro. If it takes 1.43 USD for bread in America, while it takes 2 Euro in Europe for bread, you would be making exactly the same amount of money during trade. Thats extremely simplified though. Economics is just guess work most of the time.

There is actually no safe way to say what currency is better then another currency, because its entirely dependant on where the money is being spent.

Therefore GDP is a much better way of telling how much a country is worth.

[Abradix]

it would seem like

Right, seem like. But in actuality, not.

[iargue]

Right, seem like. But in actuality, not.

I can see you have absolutely no concept of economics, and am going to cease arguing with you from this point on for sake of my sanity.

Please refer to the topic title as to why I am ending this conversation.

[Abradix]

[Tigerzz]

That word has already be ushered. You cant just take something like that back.

I never mean anything hateful from my arguments. I simply use them as a learning experience.

Yeah but i didn't mean it in a hateful way, so that's my learning experience.

[artificial]

I mean seriously, am I the only one who things Iargue is a fucking idiot?

Yes. And here is the funny thing. We have predicted that we would be driving flying cars for around 60 years now. Sadly. I go to work every day, along with 6 billion other people, on cars that cant fly. There is this -amazing- thing about predictions. Wait for it Waiiiittt

They are guesses.

Please, just stop posting.

[Abradix]

I mean seriously, am I the only one who things Iargue is a fucking idiot?

Trolls trolling trolls.

[Warriors]

Then all the USD that China owns would be worthless.

They can't knock us down without shooting themselves in the foot.

While I agree with "They have us by the balls" I also agree with this...China is too invested to allow the US to collapse. They have to make sure the dollar does not drop otherwise they would be screwed...Thus investing and buying and even now creating a new deal of 40B with the US...

For the US to go like Greece or even Portugal would be disastrous for the Chinese, granted they still have money but all of these losses from the dollar would certainly be a big hit to their economy.

[Narcissa]

Screw China.


I'm worried about Russia. >_>


(also, I know pretty much nothing about global economics but from what I've heard/read Russia scares me a lot more then China does.)