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[likerobots]

wow awkward title is awkward.

I read elsewhere that neo only tracks the ip of when you log in and out.
so when you're actually ABing, playing, etc, you don't have to be on a proxy.

so

T/F ?!?

[Icey Defeat]

wow awkward title is awkward.

I read elsewhere that neo only tracks the ip of when you log in and out.
so when you're actually ABing, playing, etc, you don't have to be on a proxy.

so

T/F ?!?

I've heard his before. Pretty tough to prove.

[Waser Lave]

No idea.

[likerobots]

No idea.

i hope its appropriate to ask o.o
but on codex, can admins see users' IP on any page, or is it just the login/logout?

[Icey Defeat]

I should add. I know someone who used this method for about 3 years and was never iced until score sending came out. I'm not saying do this as it wouldn't be hard for them to add the tracking on other pages (like buy pages).

[Waser Lave]

i hope its appropriate to ask o.o
but on codex, can admins see users' IP on any page, or is it just the login/logout?

Any and every page.

[likerobots]

I should add. I know someone who used this method for about 3 years and was never iced until score sending came out. I'm not saying do this as it wouldn't be hard for them to add the tracking on other pages (like buy pages).

although being on a proxy wouldn't prevent you from being iced on a single account, its only to prevent you from being chain iced

[Turnip]

I'd imagine that they do IP logging for when people send scores/log in or out/buying things from user shops/maybe some of the high-end main shops (like Magic), but yeah I don't know D:


It'd be awkward to send a ticket to them and ask, heehee....... >w>

[Spirited]

I'd imagine that they do IP logging for when people send scores/log in or out/buying things from user shops/maybe some of the high-end main shops (like Magic), but yeah I don't know D:


It'd be awkward to send a ticket to them and ask, heehee....... >w>

Send an editorial question then? But chances are they'll never reply, or never reply truthfully. *remember to throw random meepits or plushies for higher chances*

I think I read that logging IP on login and logout on an editorial too.... can't remember.
I don't believe it though.

[TamerVirus]

As none of us are actually apart of TNT, i think..., none of us can actually say for certain what their policies are....

[Syntax]

I've never heard of this, ever. But I think to be on the safe side, you should be behind a proxy most of the time.

I remember I sent in a question about IP logging into the editorial once; never got answered.

[Turnip]

Send an editorial question then? But chances are they'll never reply, or never reply truthfully. *remember to throw random meepits or plushies for higher chances*

I think I read that logging IP on login and logout on an editorial too.... can't remember.
I don't believe it though.

Ok so it could go a little something like this?

Spoiler

Hi TNT! *gives you lots of cakes and cookies and hides them from the Meepits!!*
So a couple of friends and I are going to be making a virtual pet site, and were wondering a few things about how to see/prove if there are people cheating.. We were thinking about only keeping IP logs from when people log in or out, and from user trades so we don't have to waste loads of database space just for logs, heh. But what do you guys do? I thought it might be best to ask the masters of all things awesome and how they do it Please leave out my username!
(insert some sort of "ooh I've been on Neo for # of years I luv u guys!! xd ♥" or something! They really like things like that!)

Idk, hehehe
And yep, it's veeerry easy to tell lies/stretch the truth On the Internet!  /wonders if they would actually tell us or not

Edited by Turnip, 24 March 2012 - 01:26 PM.

[IcedEarth]

I heard this too somewhere, I think it was because someone got their IP banned from neopets and was using a proxy to just login. I guess If anyone has their IP banned then they could test it lol

[Syntax]

Hi TNT! *gives you lots of cakes and cookies and hides them from the Meepits!!*
So a couple of friends and I are going to be making a virtual pet site, and were wondering a few things about how to see/prove if there are people cheating.

Probably shouldn't do that... I'm pretty sure TNT won't give ideas for a possible rival site.

[Turnip]

Probably shouldn't do that... I'm pretty sure TNT won't give ideas for a possible rival site.

Eh... There are countless virtual pet sites/Neo clones out there, and I'm pretty sure they now about them~ One more won't hurt (besides, they don't know it's a lie, do they~ TNT would probably respond to something like that than "ok so I go on Neocodex and we're all wondering how your site works spill the beans guys!!!")

[Spirited]

Probably shouldn't do that... I'm pretty sure TNT won't give ideas for a possible rival site.

Can perhaps go for the anime avatars rather than pets. xD

& very entertaining editorial question you have there Turnip! -now I kindda understand why mine are never answered-
edit: TNT would know you're lying if they saw your original question here~ :x

Edited by Fireworks, 24 March 2012 - 12:54 PM.

[d4lta]

you guys know that you can see straight through most proxies right?

[likerobots]

you guys know that you can see straight through most proxies right?

yers but not vpns

[Turnip]

& very entertaining editorial question you have there Turnip! -now I kindda understand why mine are never answered-
edit: TNT would know you're lying if they saw your original question here~ :x

Hehehe, thank you! It was just supposed to be like a guideline post or something, but I'll go and spoiler it. They'll never know~

[UND3AD]

Could be either, you can't tell.

[ShadowLink64]

Any and every page.

Yep. We have eyes everywhere. Though this requires me to sift through a large 2 GB access log....

[Inkheart]

Just to put this to rest, every single server logs all requests, by default. I can't imagine TNT would have gone to the trouble to not log, so yes, every time your computer interacts with neopets.com, your IP address goes into the logs. When you load a page, when you submit a form, when you start a flash game, when you submit a score... everything has your IP attached to it; that's just how a web server works.

2012-03-24T05:12:48+00:00 heroku[router]: GET shopworth.heroku.com/price dyno=web.1 queue=0 wait=0ms service=637ms status=200 bytes=13
2012-03-24T05:12:48+00:00 heroku[nginx]: 74.192.103.146 - - [24/Mar/2012:05:12:48 +0000] "GET /price?next=240&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 "http://shopworth.heroku.com/?user=featheralley" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0" shopworth.heroku.com
2012-03-24T05:12:49+00:00 heroku[router]: GET shopworth.heroku.com/price dyno=web.1 queue=0 wait=0ms service=776ms status=200 bytes=13
2012-03-24T05:12:49+00:00 app[web.1]: 74.192.103.146 - - [23/Mar/2012 22:12:49] "GET /price?next=320&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 0.7648
2012-03-24T05:12:49+00:00 heroku[nginx]: 74.192.103.146 - - [24/Mar/2012:05:12:49 +0000] "GET /price?next=320&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 "http://shopworth.heroku.com/?user=featheralley" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0" shopworth.heroku.com
2012-03-24T05:12:50+00:00 app[web.1]: 74.192.103.146 - - [23/Mar/2012 22:12:50] "GET /price?next=400&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 0.7301
2012-03-24T05:12:50+00:00 heroku[router]: GET shopworth.heroku.com/price dyno=web.1 queue=0 wait=0ms service=735ms status=200 bytes=13
2012-03-24T05:12:50+00:00 heroku[nginx]: 74.192.103.146 - - [24/Mar/2012:05:12:50 +0000] "GET /price?next=400&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 "http://shopworth.heroku.com/?user=featheralley" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0" shopworth.heroku.com
2012-03-24T05:12:50+00:00 heroku[router]: GET shopworth.heroku.com/price dyno=web.1 queue=0 wait=0ms service=446ms status=200 bytes=13
2012-03-24T05:12:50+00:00 app[web.1]: 74.192.103.146 - - [23/Mar/2012 22:12:50] "GET /price?next=480&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 0.4426
2012-03-24T05:12:50+00:00 heroku[nginx]: 74.192.103.146 - - [24/Mar/2012:05:12:50 +0000] "GET /price?next=480&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 "http://shopworth.heroku.com/?user=featheralley" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0" shopworth.heroku.com
2012-03-24T05:12:51+00:00 app[web.1]: 74.192.103.146 - - [23/Mar/2012 22:12:51] "GET /price?next=560&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 0.7139
2012-03-24T05:12:51+00:00 heroku[router]: GET shopworth.heroku.com/price dyno=web.1 queue=0 wait=0ms service=723ms status=200 bytes=13
2012-03-24T05:12:51+00:00 heroku[nginx]: 74.192.103.146 - - [24/Mar/2012:05:12:51 +0000] "GET /price?next=560&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 "http://shopworth.heroku.com/?user=featheralley" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0" shopworth.heroku.com
2012-03-24T05:12:52+00:00 app[web.1]: 74.192.103.146 - - [23/Mar/2012 22:12:52] "GET /price?next=640&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 15 0.6381
2012-03-24T05:12:52+00:00 heroku[nginx]: 74.192.103.146 - - [24/Mar/2012:05:12:52 +0000] "GET /price?next=640&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 15 "http://shopworth.heroku.com/?user=featheralley" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0" shopworth.heroku.com

That's a short snippet of the logs from the shop worth calculator I posted a couple days ago. It has a timestamp, an IP address, the exact URL requested, the response code, the number of bytes returned by the request, the page from which the request came, and the visiting browser's user agent. Neopets likely uses Apache, but I'm sure the logs are very similar.

Edited by Inkheart, 24 March 2012 - 05:42 PM.

[Nymh]

The program manager logs in every time you open it, so isn't this question kind of moot? You would need to use a proxy regardless every time you open the manager because despite what the program is doing, it has to log in to be able to do it.

[likerobots]

Just to put this to rest, every single server logs all requests, by default. I can't imagine TNT would have gone to the trouble to not log, so yes, every time your computer interacts with neopets.com, your IP address goes into the logs. When you load a page, when you submit a form, when you start a flash game, when you submit a score... everything has your IP attached to it; that's just how a web server works.

2012-03-24T05:12:48+00:00 heroku[router]: GET shopworth.heroku.com/price dyno=web.1 queue=0 wait=0ms service=637ms status=200 bytes=13
2012-03-24T05:12:48+00:00 heroku[nginx]: 74.192.103.146 - - [24/Mar/2012:05:12:48 +0000] "GET /price?next=240&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 "http://shopworth.heroku.com/?user=featheralley" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0" shopworth.heroku.com
2012-03-24T05:12:49+00:00 heroku[router]: GET shopworth.heroku.com/price dyno=web.1 queue=0 wait=0ms service=776ms status=200 bytes=13
2012-03-24T05:12:49+00:00 app[web.1]: 74.192.103.146 - - [23/Mar/2012 22:12:49] "GET /price?next=320&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 0.7648
2012-03-24T05:12:49+00:00 heroku[nginx]: 74.192.103.146 - - [24/Mar/2012:05:12:49 +0000] "GET /price?next=320&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 "http://shopworth.heroku.com/?user=featheralley" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0" shopworth.heroku.com
2012-03-24T05:12:50+00:00 app[web.1]: 74.192.103.146 - - [23/Mar/2012 22:12:50] "GET /price?next=400&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 0.7301
2012-03-24T05:12:50+00:00 heroku[router]: GET shopworth.heroku.com/price dyno=web.1 queue=0 wait=0ms service=735ms status=200 bytes=13
2012-03-24T05:12:50+00:00 heroku[nginx]: 74.192.103.146 - - [24/Mar/2012:05:12:50 +0000] "GET /price?next=400&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 "http://shopworth.heroku.com/?user=featheralley" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0" shopworth.heroku.com
2012-03-24T05:12:50+00:00 heroku[router]: GET shopworth.heroku.com/price dyno=web.1 queue=0 wait=0ms service=446ms status=200 bytes=13
2012-03-24T05:12:50+00:00 app[web.1]: 74.192.103.146 - - [23/Mar/2012 22:12:50] "GET /price?next=480&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 0.4426
2012-03-24T05:12:50+00:00 heroku[nginx]: 74.192.103.146 - - [24/Mar/2012:05:12:50 +0000] "GET /price?next=480&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 "http://shopworth.heroku.com/?user=featheralley" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0" shopworth.heroku.com
2012-03-24T05:12:51+00:00 app[web.1]: 74.192.103.146 - - [23/Mar/2012 22:12:51] "GET /price?next=560&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 0.7139
2012-03-24T05:12:51+00:00 heroku[router]: GET shopworth.heroku.com/price dyno=web.1 queue=0 wait=0ms service=723ms status=200 bytes=13
2012-03-24T05:12:51+00:00 heroku[nginx]: 74.192.103.146 - - [24/Mar/2012:05:12:51 +0000] "GET /price?next=560&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 13 "http://shopworth.heroku.com/?user=featheralley" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0" shopworth.heroku.com
2012-03-24T05:12:52+00:00 app[web.1]: 74.192.103.146 - - [23/Mar/2012 22:12:52] "GET /price?next=640&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 15 0.6381
2012-03-24T05:12:52+00:00 heroku[nginx]: 74.192.103.146 - - [24/Mar/2012:05:12:52 +0000] "GET /price?next=640&user=featheralley HTTP/1.1" 200 15 "http://shopworth.heroku.com/?user=featheralley" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0" shopworth.heroku.com

That's a short snippet of the logs from the shop worth calculator I posted a couple days ago. It has a timestamp, an IP address, the exact URL requested, the response code, the number of bytes returned by the request, the page from which the request came, and the visiting browser's user agent. Neopets likely uses Apache, but I'm sure the logs are very similar.

zis is all i vanted to know. thanks

[L33T]

Use proxies, play it safe.