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#126 Yung

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:02 AM


The quiz is not really an all personality quiz (just a few questions), there will be questions like... What pet the user want to start with... And like I mentioned before, the color, the way it looks (cool/cute..), the element it uses and so on.


No. Thought it would have been made pretty clear by everyone else saying that a full blown personality quiz would be better. The reason for that being that you will be paired up with a pet that will gain Trust (another thing discussed in detail earlier) faster making it easier to train, raise, ect...

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    #127 mentalfox

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:06 AM

    No. Thought it would have been made pretty clear by everyone else saying that a full blown personality quiz would be better. The reason for that being that you will be paired up with a pet that will gain Trust (another thing discussed in detail earlier) faster making it easier to train, raise, ect...


    But then there will be no options for users to chose the pet's color, that means each pet will have it's individual color, no coloring pets then...
    So yeah, trust system that I mentioned before can be very nice =) So as you wish, I go with the choice.


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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:11 AM

    But then there will be no options for users to chose the pet's color, that means each pet will have it's individual color, no coloring pets then...
    So yeah, trust system that I mentioned before can be very nice =) So as you wish, I go with the choice.

    You could have a personality quiz that includes a question about what color pet you want. If you look at Neopets, you have the option of choosing four colors when you create your pet. I don't see how having a longer personality quiz completely rules out the option to color your pet.

    Edited by fimend, 08 April 2012 - 08:23 AM.


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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:15 AM

    You could have a personality quiz that includes a question about what color pet you want. If you look at Neopets, you have the option of choosing four colors when you create your pet. I don't see how having a longer personality quiz completely rules the option to color your pet.


    Individual pets and their colors. If we will chose to color our pets then there will be nothing too special about it... Each pet has a color that fits it...

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:15 AM

    You could have a personality quiz that includes a question about what color pet you want. If you look at Neopets, you have the option of choosing four colors when you create your pet. I don't see how having a longer personality quiz completely rules the option to color your pet.


    Yeah that's what I was thinking.... the personality quiz is to determine species/attributes that best suit you. Color is post-script.

    Napiform had a good idea about just using the birthday entered for Astrology. We could implement that to determine pet/characteristics/attributes...

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:17 AM

    We still don't know what sort of animals we are going to use... I asked a lot of times but no one answered. Also no one paid attention to my idea of pets having special elements for them or not... =\


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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:19 AM

    Yes! I've been saying forever that neopets needs an app you can play games on on your iphone/android.


    This!! I seriously have no idea why TNT decided to take away their mobile app away pretty much the second the whole smartphone/mobile devices in general boom started :angry: Seriously those things only take a few hours to make with minimal effort (so I've heard), and everyone and their dog as an iOS or Android thing now.. TNT would be rolling in the money if they made a new one D:

    Also guys I'll draw up what I was thinking for the whole 'evolution' thing once I get home in a bit~

    We still don't know what sort of animals we are going to use... I asked a lot of times but no one answered. Also no one paid attention to my idea of pets having special elements for them or not... =\


    Heheh don't worry! I think it'd be pretty neat, but we would need to use elements names and things which aren't in Pokemon/overly generic(?) x3

    And for pets, we could use some ideas from this thread, such as hedgehogs and foxes etc! And of course usual and popular animals like wolves, cats, tigers, dragons, ya know those kinds of animals! :3


    Edited by Turnip, 08 April 2012 - 08:25 AM.


    #133 NapisaurusRex

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:21 AM

    We still don't know what sort of animals we are going to use... I asked a lot of times but no one answered. Also no one paid attention to my idea of pets having special elements for them or not... =\


    Except you and Turnip had a whole conversation about it? If it's bothering you so badly what kind of animals are going to be used, why don't you step up and throw something out there? Elemental pets is a good start, but it doesn't seem to be what you're looking for.

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:21 AM

    Napiform had a good idea about just using the birthday entered for Astrology. We could implement that to determine pet/characteristics/attributes...

    Yeah, I really liked that idea. That gives the pet a certain degree of connection with the owner, but it's much easier to come up with 12 astrological profiles to match users with than have every user complete a personality quiz.

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:24 AM

    You could have a personality quiz that includes a question about what color pet you want. If you look at Neopets, you have the option of choosing four colors when you create your pet. I don't see how having a longer personality quiz completely rules the option to color your pet.


    If you go the element route, there's a color set associated with each element traditionally, same with astrology. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to choose a color to go with each pet type, and it could be able to be changed later, whether it's like the non-permanent way discussed earlier (though I kept getting images of drawing on an armadillo in sharpie) or more like paint or tonics.

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:26 AM

    OMG I like said TWICE asked TWICE, if we are going to use regular pets/animals or non reality pets, like animals from wonderland or the extra special animals that Rolling wrote about in separate books from Harry potter. O_o

    The regular astrology or Chinese one?

    I lold ^ drawing on armadilo with sharpie...

    Edited by mentalfox, 08 April 2012 - 08:29 AM.


    #137 Yung

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:29 AM

    We'll use both, there is no reason to limit ourselves to one or the other. Stop freaking out, this is NOT the end of the world it is a rather loose discussion.

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:30 AM

    OMG I like said TWICE asked TWICE, if we are going to use regular pets/animals or non reality pets, like animals from wonderland or the extra special animals that Rolling wrote about in separate books from Harry potter. O_o

    The regular astrology or Chinese one?

    No offense, but half the time I have no clue what you're talking about. What exactly does animals from wonderland mean? Are the "extra special animals" like hippogriffs and dragons because those would be traditional mythical creatures.

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:31 AM

    OMG I like said TWICE asked TWICE, if we are going to use regular pets/animals or non reality pets, like animals from wonderland or the extra special animals that Rowling wrote about in separate books from Harry potter. O_o

    The regular astrology or Chinese one?

    I lol'd ^ drawing on armadillo with sharpie...


    Yeah, that's a question, not a suggestion... What do you think? What's your dream virtual pet?

    Whichever. Hell, we can mix it up, for all I care. I'm a Pisces-Dragon.

    Edit: Personally, I love the idea of owning a little Nymh/Sweeney/Bone pet.

    Edited by Napiform, 08 April 2012 - 08:34 AM.


    #140 mentalfox

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:31 AM

    Yet, imagine your RL pet suddenly sets you on fire. We shouldn't mix too much reality with non-reality. If KIDS are going to play this game, I doubt parents would like to see flaming cats or dogs XD

    Wonderland animals, like talking rabbits, weird butterflies, huge sized dogs, and the regular animals but with things attached to them. (like the ability to speak...)
    Or mythical creatures, yes... I'd like to find one of those books, there are probably a lot more animals...

    So um... About pet colors. Sprays that wear off after 1 wash, colors like for hair that it takes time to get off, like 1 week or two. Or drawing on them and then after a few washes it'll wear off O_o

    Edited by mentalfox, 08 April 2012 - 08:36 AM.


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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:35 AM

    Yet, imagine your RL pet suddenly sets you on fire. We shouldn't mix too much reality with non-reality. If KIDS are going to play this game, I doubt parents would like to see flaming cats or dogs XD

    Wonderland animals, like talking rabbits, weird butterflies, huge sized dogs, and the regular animals but with things attached to them. (like the ability to speak...)
    Or mythical creatures, yes... I'd like to find one of those books, there are probably a lot more animals...


    ....you're kidding right?

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    Seriously... even this isn't that bad:

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    Edited by Yung, 08 April 2012 - 08:38 AM.


    #142 Leaf

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:37 AM

    Honestly I don't see the point in discussing the implementation of a stock market system yet... that is something we have plenty of time to develop and mold a stock market system after we have established the rest of the basics.

    So... lets get a little more focused on the discussion of the pet aspect, how should the system for acquiring pets work, how could we implement an 'evolution' system? Does anyone have any ideas for a solid trading system? How could we implement shops and what should shops stock?



    I don't have any ideas on how acquiring pets should work but i think it would be cool if we had some sort of egg system for some pets at least. I love it when you have to take care of a little baby egg until it hatches.

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:39 AM

    ....you're kidding right?


    Maybe *trollface*

    I don't have any ideas on how acquiring pets should work but i think it would be cool if we had some sort of egg system for some pets at least. I love it when you have to take care of a little baby egg until it hatches.


    YES!!! I want hatching pets! And like the first story about finding your first pet as if you found an egg or something :o

    About the trade system I asked about online trading system (like a chat) or using auctions or both...

    Edited by mentalfox, 08 April 2012 - 08:40 AM.


    #144 NapisaurusRex

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:41 AM

    YES!!! I want hatching pets! And like the first story about finding your first pet as if you found an egg or something :o


    I dunno about that... it'd be hard to figure out the personality of an egg to match it to the perfect owner. I think that's something that should stay kind of Pokemon-esque... the first one is fully formed and some of the subsequent ones are in eggs. LOL, like take a personality test and have the storyline tell you your first pet sprung from your head fully formed like Athena and you share a special bond now. A naturally derived trust.

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:43 AM

    I dunno about that... it'd be hard to figure out the personality of an egg to match it to the perfect owner. I think that's something that should stay kind of Pokemon-esque... the first one is fully formed and some of the subsequent ones are in eggs. LOL, like take a personality test and have the storyline tell you your first pet sprung from your head fully formed like Athena and you share a special bond now. A naturally derived trust.


    You find egg > it hatches... And since you actually GROW your first pet... It gets used to you a little. It just has it's basic personality, like being shy, or aggressive..

    Edited by mentalfox, 08 April 2012 - 08:44 AM.


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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:50 AM

    If you go the element route, there's a color set associated with each element traditionally, same with astrology. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to choose a color to go with each pet type, and it could be able to be changed later, whether it's like the non-permanent way discussed earlier (though I kept getting images of drawing on an armadillo in sharpie) or more like paint or tonics.


    Napiform had a good idea about just using the birthday entered for Astrology. We could implement that to determine pet/characteristics/attributes...



    Just super saying, but I think it would be neat if a pet looked very slightly different depending on it's star sign/when it was made ^^ Kind of like the cosmetic gender differences in Pokemon from Diamond/Pearl and later~
    And eeehh, I don't really like the idea of hatching a pet x3 Maybe for like one or two but not all of them... It'd remind me too much of that thing where you had to click the person's link to make the thing hatch, hehe >w< way too much effort and it could suck if you don't have any friends

    Edited by Turnip, 08 April 2012 - 08:51 AM.


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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:52 AM

    And eeehh, I don't really like the idea of hatching a pet x3 Maybe for like one or two but not all of them... It'd remind me too much of that thing where you had to click the person's link to make the thing hatch, hehe >w< way too much effort and it could suck if you don't have any friends


    Yeah I definitely don't think that the basics should be eggs to start with. I am confident that the site will be just as, if not more so, playable if the eggs are something you encounter while exploring.

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:59 AM

    Although I agree with a lot of the ideas presented earlier in the conversation, I feel like you guys are focusing way too much on an RPG like game. Why would you play a game like that with tons of clicking around/refreshing pages when you could play an MMO with the same elements? One of the great things about Neopets is that no one can classify you as a noob no matter how bad your account looks because they don't know what's in your bank account/battledome set/investments. The direction that you've been heading in is more or less pure battle where the only thing that represents you is the amount of levels your pet has, and none of the other great econ/trophy/collecting features that Neopets has.

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 10:07 AM

    Although I agree with a lot of the ideas presented earlier in the conversation, I feel like you guys are focusing way too much on an RPG like game. Why would you play a game like that with tons of clicking around/refreshing pages when you could play an MMO with the same elements? One of the great things about Neopets is that no one can classify you as a noob no matter how bad your account looks because they don't know what's in your bank account/battledome set/investments. The direction that you've been heading in is more or less pure battle where the only thing that represents you is the amount of levels your pet has, and none of the other great econ/trophy/collecting features that Neopets has.

    As a person who has never used the Battledome for anything besides getting avatars, I agree with this. Like I said earlier, Neopets is a multi-faceted game with a niche for people with all sorts of interests. One of my favorite parts of Neo has always been collecting avatars and earning trophies. I would not be very likely to play a virtual pet site that is solely a battling/adventure game because there are way better options for something like that. If that's really what I wanted I would be much more likely to actually play Pokemon. I think a site with an advanced economy and the ability to collect/achieve things in a new and improved way is the best bet for success.

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    Posted 08 April 2012 - 11:35 AM

    I've done some game design (read: took a college course in it and designed all parts of a game except for programming it, nothing professional and certainly not an expert) and I'd be willing to throw my art abilities into the ring if the idea gets that far. That said, I have some concerns.

    1) The Quiz. I don't mind the notion of only getting access to a few pets at the start, but I'm not a fan of my pet being assigned based on a quiz (or, for that matter, anything else that doesn't allow my own input in the decision, and a quiz doesn't do that--all the available answers are written by someone else)... What's wrong with just picking one that looks neat, or reviewing the base stats and going by that if looks don't matter to me as a player? Would I also be able to dump this pet if I don't like it and pick a different one at the outset (as in, "Here's what we think will work best for you, but if you want, you can pick something else from this list")?

    2) The Stock Market. The reason the stocks in Neopets don't reflect buy/sell activity is because they USED to, until a guild got naughty and artificially inflated a single stock. They made millions, but the entire guild got frozen, and the stock system became randomized. Just food for thought; a system that works a way users can effect is one that users can and will abuse sooner or later. How would you plan on preventing that?

    3) Elemental Alignment. What would a pet's element bring to the table? Is it just yet another battle specialty? That goes right into being pokemon, in essence, and frankly, if that's all it's for, I don't see a need for it. You don't need to layer more and more customizable battle-related skills (especially not right at the beginning when no one's expressed displeasure with the battle system yet), because eventually that just gets complicated and everyone throws up their hands and walks away.

    If the elements aren't supposed to be JUST battle related, then what exactly do they do? Does it just mean that you get a green pet? Does it mean their homes are decorated with tons of waterfalls? If you're going to ask for input on an idea, you can't just say "What about having elements?" You need to say what you intend them to be used for. This really applies to any suggestion; why is it a good idea? What's the intended result of implementing it? What makes it good to use from a player's perspective and not a creator's? That last question is vital--you have to consider how you would react to something if you had no direct ability to change it.


    Edit: Since nobody's said anything else yet, I figured I'd just edit to add, NO CLICK-BASED EXPERIENCE. That's just going to encourage linkspam and there are way too many of those sites as it is. No clickwhoring, no viewwhoring, no vote-whoring. Just no. No, no, no.

    Edited by cuddlydemon, 08 April 2012 - 05:42 PM.



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