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#51 Bone

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:14 PM

Because he's presenting himself as an expert in a matter, and that as such we should take his word for it without second thought.


Have you SEEN who else has posted in this thread? Coltom should be the least of your worries if you're worried about people presenting themselves as experts...

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    #52 iargue

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    Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:14 PM

    Alright, I'm wrong. I had a feeling I would be, my bad.


    I meant to up vote your post for admitting you made a mistake.

    But I pressed the wrong one. fml. I'll up vote two other posts to make up for it.

    #53 Guest_coltom_*

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    Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:14 PM

    Nobody on this entire forum has any proof for anything they say beyond their words. I don't see why you're picking out coltom.

    Well, I am teasing them more than a little, some people don't like to be teased. I could have let it drop when iargue explained what he meant, as opposed to the failure of his construct to convey concise meaning. Really, I should have walked away and been the adult.

    I'm not real good at walking away *grin*.

    #54 Senrath

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    Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:17 PM

    Have you SEEN who else has posted in this thread? Coltom should be the least of your worries if you're worried about people presenting themselves as experts...

    Admittedly, I was only skimming the thread when his "I'm older than you so I'm right and you're wrong" post managed to catch my eye, but another cursory examination seems to show me that no one else has explicitly claimed themselves to be an expert in the field they are discussing.

    #55 ElBastardoVerde

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    Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:19 PM

    Have you SEEN who else has posted in this thread? Coltom should be the least of your worries if you're worried about people presenting themselves as experts...


    I hope that wasn't aimed at me..

    I meant to up vote your post for admitting you made a mistake.

    But I pressed the wrong one. fml. I'll up vote two other posts to make up for it


    haha I have no problems admitting when I'm wrong. How else am I supposed to learn? Denial? Pfft.

    #56 iargue

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    Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:22 PM

    haha I have no problems admitting when I'm wrong. How else am I supposed to learn? Denial? Pfft.


    Depends on what kind of denial :p. I always admit to myself whenever I am wrong, but deny it to others to force them to continue an arguement. I learn more about them that way. I've been working to admit that I am wrong more often though, so kudos to you.

    And I'm pretty sure it was aimed at me :p

    #57 Guest_coltom_*

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    Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:33 PM

    Oh,it is just like I can't catch a break.

    I'd say one contracts a contagious disease.

    Oh my child, such a common pattern. You have attached so much of your self ego into your words that you react when any one questions the clarity of masterful marvels. It is an artificial ego boundary, you react at my finding your speech less than perfect as an attack upon you. I get enough of that at work, and luckily I have final say, at work. I do try to teach my droogies to not attach so much of themselves into words, it slows down the work. Eventually the lawyers get it anyway, and much up the meaning.

    With that, it is way too late, real work tomorrow and heart failure does mean I can only have one cup of coffee. Night my princes of Maine.

    I'm sorry, but in what culture is it offensive to not blindly take someone you've never met's word for something?

    In what culture is it considered a good thing to call someone a liar? In mine, truth holds a special place. Even if I can forgive,I can't pretend that I'm not hurt. You don't have to "take my word" to not call a person a liar. You might consider that acceptable manners, I don't.
    This time for sure, Rocky, I'm going to pull a rabbit out of my hat and get some sleep.

    #58 Senrath

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    Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:38 PM

    You must have a really thin skin for me to have hurt your feelings by, not in fact calling you a liar, but instead saying that we have no way of knowing if you're lying or not.

    #59 Guest_coltom_*

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 03:04 AM

    You must have a really thin skin for me to have hurt your feelings by, not in fact calling you a liar, but instead saying that we have no way of knowing if you're lying or not.

    Ah, the young ones. The world must be as they imagine it to be. You invalidate my feelings with callous disregard.

    #60 Sweeney

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 03:37 AM

    Am I the only one who thinks that intentionally mocking someone's username when replying to them is mind-bogglingly childish?

    Coltom. You are old. Congratulations on not being dead.
    Now please try to remember that that simple fact doesn't make you any better than anyone else.
    In fact, the way you wear your age, race and highfalutin prose like badges of honour makes you, in my humble opinion, a bit of a tosser.

    #61 Nymh

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 03:48 AM

    Am I the only one who thinks that intentionally mocking someone's username when replying to them is mind-bogglingly childish?

    Coltom. You are old. Congratulations on not being dead.
    Now please try to remember that that simple fact doesn't make you any better than anyone else.
    In fact, the way you wear your age, race and highfalutin prose like badges of honour makes you, in my humble opinion, a bit of a tosser.


    Hehehehe

    You said "highfalutin"

    #62 Maeghan

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 04:08 AM

    Women should have to pay more for health insurance because statistically we live longer, get sick more often than men and pop out babies - the majority of which are born in expensive hospitals.


    Don't you think men should have to pay that extra charge aswell,
    because they're the ones helping to make these babies in the first place? Besides, not all women have children, so why should one be charged more just because she has the ability to have a child when she might not.

    And unfortunately, most insurance carriers wont cover a home birth/low tech birth becase 1. they don't like the risk involved 2. they dont like you taking money away from the hospitals to begin with.

    #63 Guest_coltom_*

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 04:10 AM

    I'm pretty sure my age, education, experience, and job position give me a badge of honour. Actually, they give me an office, peons and droogies, and a neat free shirt when I go out on plant trips.

    Methinks some suffer from position envy.

    #64 Nymh

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 04:13 AM

    Don't you think men should have to pay that extra charge aswell,
    because they're the ones helping to make these babies in the first place?


    No, I don't. All of the procedures are performed on women, everything gets filed to the woman's insurance. If they work for different places and have different insurance, how is him paying a higher premium going to help pay for her medical procedures? It can't be executed uniformly because not all women and men will share a family plan so it should be distributed fairly based on how much it is likely to cost to provide medical care to the individual.

    In cases of women who can't or choose not to have babies, they still go to the doctor more often than men and live longer on average.

    #65 Sweeney

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 04:15 AM

    I'm pretty sure my age, education, experience, and job position give me a badge of honour. Actually, they give me an office, peons and droogies, and a neat free shirt when I go out on plant trips.

    Methinks some suffer from position envy.


    Methinks that assuming anyone who thinks you're an arrogant tosser is envious, only serves to prove their point.

    I'm quite happy with my own age, education, experience and job position, thanks. And I bet my classroom is bigger than your office ;)
    I also don't refer to the people I'm in charge of as "peons".

    #66 Guest_coltom_*

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 04:17 AM

    Don't you think men should have to pay that extra charge aswell,
    because they're the ones helping to make these babies in the first place? Besides, not all women have children, so why should one be charged more just because she has the ability to have a child when she might not.

    And unfortunately, most insurance carriers wont cover a home birth/low tech birth becase 1. they don't like the risk involved 2. they dont like you taking money away from the hospitals to begin with.


    We did look into the options of a midwife, non formal birth. You're right, they would have not covered for cost of a mid-wife, nurse pract or even a doctor, and ran the risks of if there were complications of then having to fight for compensation.
    It is just as well, as there were complications. It was vain on my part to bring a child into the world at our age. Without first tier treatment she'd have died. A century ago, both mother and child would have died.

    Maeghan, you're right you can't prove you're sterile and then get cheaper health insurance.

    #67 Maeghan

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 04:31 AM

    No, I don't. All of the procedures are performed on women, everything gets filed to the woman's insurance. If they work for different places and have different insurance, how is him paying a higher premium going to help pay for her medical procedures? It can't be executed uniformly because not all women and men will share a family plan so it should be distributed fairly based on how much it is likely to cost to provide medical care to the individual.

    In cases of women who can't or choose not to have babies, they still go to the doctor more often than men and live longer on average.


    Im not saying that all women shouldnt be chared an extra premium just because they've got those baby making parts.
    Im saying that all insurance companies should distribute the cost to all carriers. Because even if IM not having a baby, that fact that sally down the street can have a healthy baby is pretty important for humanity.

    America has THE WORST maternity/infant care in the first world nations.
    And insurance companies sure like to fuck you over when B-Day comes.

    Before I had my daughter, my mum and I went back and forth with the hospital & our insurance, double & triple checking whats going to be covered, whats not, whether Lily would be covered, etc.
    They said, everything would be covered outside of extreme circumstances.

    Come to find out, Lily wasn't covered. And I got a 4000$ medical bill for her 24 hr stay.
    $4000?! FOR 24 HOURS?! FOR A PERFECTLY HEALTHY, NO COMPLICATIONS, BREAST FED BABY?
    After they told us she WOULD be covered.

    Im sorry, I have a major problem with insurance companies.

    #68 Guest_coltom_*

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 04:38 AM

    Come to find out, Lily wasn't covered. And I got a 4000$ medical bill for her 24 hr stay.
    $4000?! FOR 24 HOURS?! FOR A PERFECTLY HEALTHY, NO COMPLICATIONS, BREAST FED BABY?
    After they told us she WOULD be covered.

    Im sorry, I have a major problem with insurance companies.

    Ahem, new mother and fathers do not have the time nor resources to challenge disputed claims. They are very easy to overcharge and then not be able to challenge the lack of coverage. Same thing a widow or widower, amazing the amount of disputed claims get thrown on to an estate, when the records are simply not there to counter an insurance company denial of coverage. Not saying I knew Blue Cross of California did that, but Blue Cross of California did that.

    Insurance companies have full time analysis thinking of ways to get your money, deny your claims, make sure that their cost are reduced the main way they can reduce them. It is not a fair game.

    #69 iargue

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 08:54 AM

    I'm pretty sure my age, education, experience, and job position give me a badge of honour. Actually, they give me an office, peons and droogies, and a neat free shirt when I go out on plant trips.

    Methinks some suffer from position envy.



    I have my own secretary, my own office, and I supervise 15 field techs, and am in charge of hiring. And I'm only 21. How does your age make you better then me?

    Im not saying that all women shouldnt be chared an extra premium just because they've got those baby making parts.
    Im saying that all insurance companies should distribute the cost to all carriers. Because even if IM not having a baby, that fact that sally down the street can have a healthy baby is pretty important for humanity.

    America has THE WORST maternity/infant care in the first world nations.
    And insurance companies sure like to fuck you over when B-Day comes.

    Before I had my daughter, my mum and I went back and forth with the hospital & our insurance, double & triple checking whats going to be covered, whats not, whether Lily would be covered, etc.
    They said, everything would be covered outside of extreme circumstances.

    Come to find out, Lily wasn't covered. And I got a 4000$ medical bill for her 24 hr stay.
    $4000?! FOR 24 HOURS?! FOR A PERFECTLY HEALTHY, NO COMPLICATIONS, BREAST FED BABY?
    After they told us she WOULD be covered.

    Im sorry, I have a major problem with insurance companies.


    We certainly do not have the the worst maternity infant care system in the world.

    What we do have is an expensive as fuck health care system, which is pretty much our own fault.

    A doctor goes to law school for 8 years, and has over 100,000 dollars of debt when they leave, When they practice law they are then forced to pay for malpractice insurance as at any time for any reason they can be sued, even fi they don't screw up. Every year the number of lawsuits on doctors increases, and as such, the price of malpractice insurance increases. This thus raises the cost to have a doctor.and in turn raises the cost that they place on you.

    Our healthcare if very very good, but our prices are extreme, and we need to do something to fix both of those. I suppose this is step 1 in a very long path. (Btw, the new law prevents what they did to you. Enjoy)

    Im not saying that all women shouldnt be chared an extra premium just because they've got those baby making parts.
    Im saying that all insurance companies should distribute the cost to all carriers. Because even if IM not having a baby, that fact that sally down the street can have a healthy baby is pretty important for humanity.



    In a post apocalyptic world. Yes. Right now, we are just adding more and more people to a world that has far to many problems. We don't really need more to add to it do we?

    #70 Guest_coltom_*

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 08:56 AM

    I have my own secretary, my own office, and I supervise 15 field techs, and am in charge of hiring. And I'm only 21. How does your age make you better then me?


    Silly wabbit, I have 44 engineers, five of them PE's. Bigger is always better, well not really but that is a cross I have to bear.

    Also, I'm not involved in a criminal enterprise stealing from a legitimate company.

    Plus I get free shirts when I go to the field.

    *Grin* Countre point?

    #71 Sweeney

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 08:58 AM

    Also, I'm not involved in a criminal enterprise stealing from a legitimate company.


    What?

    #72 iargue

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 09:07 AM

    Don't you think men should have to pay that extra charge aswell,
    because they're the ones helping to make these babies in the first place? Besides, not all women have children, so why should one be charged more just because she has the ability to have a child when she might not.

    And unfortunately, most insurance carriers wont cover a home birth/low tech birth becase 1. they don't like the risk involved 2. they dont like you taking money away from the hospitals to begin with.

    Oh,it is just like I can't catch a break.

    I'd say one contracts a contagious disease.

    Oh my child, such a common pattern. You have attached so much of your self ego into your words that you react when any one questions the clarity of masterful marvels. It is an artificial ego boundary, you react at my finding your speech less than perfect as an attack upon you. I get enough of that at work, and luckily I have final say, at work. I do try to teach my droogies to not attach so much of themselves into words, it slows down the work. Eventually the lawyers get it anyway, and much up the meaning.


    I actually do not attach very much to my words. I tend to screw things up plenty when typing. I misspell words, or even sometimes forget the words in my speed typing. I fail to convey my point on many many topics and am always seeking to improve my writing capacity.

    The truth is that in that sentence, I had typed everything perfect, and you are the only one confused by my sentence.

    "I'd say one contracts a contagious disease. "

    The fifth definition of catch is "to receive, incur, or contract: to catch a cold." As such I original statement still stands correct, and you need to learn to accept that.

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 09:08 AM

    When I created this thread, I didn't expect it to collapse into a dick waving contest so quickly.

    This is my last post here unless someone starts meaningful discussion.

    #74 iargue

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 09:12 AM

    Silly wabbit, I have 44 engineers, five of them PE's. Bigger is always better, well not really but that is a cross I have to bear.

    Also, I'm not involved in a criminal enterprise stealing from a legitimate company.


    So with 30+ more years, you only have a little more then double what I have? And that gives you bragging rights?

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    Posted 29 June 2012 - 09:15 AM

    When I created this thread, I didn't expect it to collapse into a dick waving contest so quickly.

    This is my last post here unless someone starts meaningful discussion.

    Good plan!

    So with 30+ more years, you only have a little more then double what I have? And that gives you bragging rights?


    Isn't that obvious from the context?

    Anyone can do a sprint, can you run the marathon?


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