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[NapisaurusRex]

Why not just have one forum set up for program support and a separate one for the community? Problem solved.

I think at the very least, someone should switch the appearance of the forum index so the Neopets/programming/products stuff is more obvious and move the general chat stuff down by the art.

Edited by Napiform, 08 October 2012 - 02:47 PM.

[Josh]

It's not a matter of not wanting to deal with it. We want people to identify Neocodex as a software/services provider that has a community that supports this endeavour. Having people like Kami around who don't fit into this image at all only serves to degrade the image we want for our site. I can name many others whose purpose on this site is pretty questionable and that I don't particularly like to have around.

How is the community to support the endeavor? Seeing as a lot of the active posting community has already stated they no longer play Neopets or even use Abrosia, are they no longer what you're looking for in the community?

Edited by Josh, 08 October 2012 - 02:48 PM.

[Glow]

I don't use any of the programs, but I sell NC sometimes.

Other than that I stay because you guys are cool.

[ShadowLink64]

How is the community to support the endeavor? Seeing as a lot of the active posting community has already stated they no longer play Neopets or even use Abrosia, are they no longer what you're looking for in the community?

If they aren't here to cause trouble, that's fine. If they are, I'm not looking for them to be here, nope.

[Drakonid]

If they aren't here to cause trouble, that's fine. If they are, I'm not looking for them to be here, nope.

Wouldn't that also apply to people who play Neopets/use Abrosia?

[Boggart]

To fap at the misery of the members on here

[tri]

I have to agree with Kiwi. Even though I love this forum I find some people...a little imature. Now you can all say how I am young and imature but I have noticed other being imature and I am not just talking about khaligua hope I spelt that right but some of the more I will say higher ups. And not just acting imature but mean.

[Mew]

I came for the programs (which I still use) but I post on the forums because the majority of people are friendly, helpful and intelligent.
The staff are fantastic and compared to most forums I've been on, are much more active.
I learn new things from here most days and quite often pick up on things I otherwise would have missed.

[Boggart]

The drama on here also makes me feel better about how lackluster my life has become.

I have to agree with Kiwi. Even though I love this forum I find some people...a little imature. Now you can all say how I am young and imature but I have noticed other being imature and I am not just talking about khaligua hope I spelt that right but some of the more I will say higher ups. And not just acting imature but mean.

What if it's not acting?

[shrouded]

At this current point in time my reason is entirely social since I don't use programs. I could do more for the site by releasing information and creating a few guides. I keep meaning to do that... I assume that the forum's costs are pretty well covered by members who actually never visit the forum. We've typically got 100-200 people using the programs offered. If even 20 of them bought advanced that covers a lot of expenses. I feel like most programs here are at the full release point of their life unless neo makes site changes. The last major change to restocking was 2006? so that's unlikely.

[NapisaurusRex]

If they aren't here to cause trouble, that's fine. If they are, I'm not looking for them to be here, nope.

So how can we help support the endeavor?

[Mishelle]

I come here to read punk and kate's posts and to look at pictures of strat's sexy body. The drama here is really minimal and will inevitably fade away if people stop harping on about it.

[Elindoril]

I've been here for 3 years already, why bother quitting now?

[shrouded]

I've been here for 3 years already, why bother quitting now?

7....

[Kyle]

I don't need to be told that every community is dysfunctional.

It's not a matter of not wanting to deal with it. We want people to identify Neocodex as a software/services provider that has a community that supports this endeavour. Having people like Kami around who don't fit into this image at all only serves to degrade the image we want for our site. I can name many others whose purpose on this site is pretty questionable and that I don't particularly like to have around.

Then ban them, as you did. Those people aren't your core...You have a forum promoting (successfully in my opinion) a product/service for sale. You have a community which is mostly a great group of people willing to chat, and assist in product support. I don't think removing the community will promote the long-term growth of your products, if that is indeed your goal. Are you upset with those members causing havoc the community because it hurts the community, or because it hurts the appeal of your product?

[Frizzle]

I am actively trying to sleep with PRBM.

[redlion]

I am actively trying to sleep with PRBM.

This. Soooo this.

[Random]

Neocodex helped me learn a lot when I was younger, so I try to give back That and I like the community, some pretty good memories here.

You're never going to get a perfect community, we all have different personalities and such and tbh i like that we're a rather dysfunctional community. The forums would be shit boring otherwise, that's why the mods are there to deal with the members so you guys can focus on the important shit.
Why should you bother anymore? I've been coming here almost every day for the past 6 or so years, why should i bother anymore? I quit neopets about 5 years ago, the only reason i still come here is for the community/the random ass shit that goes on.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Then ban them, as you did. Those people aren't your core...You have a forum promoting (successfully in my opinion) a product/service for sale. You have a community which is mostly a great group of people willing to chat, and assist in product support. I don't think removing the community will promote the long-term growth of your products, if that is indeed your goal. Are you upset with those members causing havoc the community because it hurts the community, or because it hurts the appeal of your product?

Very true. The members are actually one of your best advertising methods when they tell others about the programs.

If you guys want to make more money and expand the product side, you need business minded people to make your decisions on expansion, not engineers. I know soul had been talking about doing things like this because he was slightly more business minded.

I am actively trying to sleep with PRBM.

SEX TAPE

[Kyle]

Very true. The members are actually one of your best advertising methods when they tell others about the programs.

I think many of us would be willing to help advertise if given some guidance on how exactly administration would like that to happen.

[luvsmyncis]

Obviously this is a place to waste my precious time and communicate with people who mean absolutely nothing to me.

[Frizzle]

Obviously this is a place to waste my precious time and communicate with people who mean absolutely nothing to me.

[Elle]

1) I am in love with ShadowLink64
2) I'm hoping that onlyme will get naked on cam one day.
3) The forums have provided me with a lifetime supply of cat gifs
4) Occasionally someone will post something useful.

[artificial]

Having people like Kami around who don't fit into this image at all only serves to degrade the image we want for our site. I can name many others whose purpose on this site is pretty questionable and that I don't particularly like to have around.

On a more serious note - at the end of the day, I'm always of the opinion that a community will win out. So I'd argue that it's in your best interest to maintain the community aspect. If you remove the community, you'd suffer two major drawbacks.

• You'd lose all of the community members who actively want to help foster and build the website (there'd more likely be a migration elsewhere).
  
• The website would get very boring (like someone mentioned previously). With only a small group of skilled staff who'd have a vested interest in the website, I'd wager over time that interest would waver, and the quality of services would start to decline.

And let's be honest, Abrosia is a very simple piece of software. Most of the programmers on this website could build something like it with relative ease (I'm not talking about the item database component, which would take time and community effort to get to a stage where it's self sustainable). I suspect that if you were to altogether remove the community, a few of the programmers would migrate elsewhere, and it wouldn't be long at all until you see something rival it. If someone like Josh were to create an open source project on Github to rroduce some sort of nextgen autobuyer (lol), I'd actually find it a fun project. However, as it presently stands, it's redundant as the website already has an autobuyer.

Plus, with no community, it won't be long until people start releasing cracked versions of the software and deobfuscating your source code etc. Without a community, there's no loyalty.

[Turnip]

One of the best communities on the internet, hands down <3
Gosh I love you guys!!~ ^^