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[Dan]

I'm not sure how heavily this is being reported in the US, is anyone else beginning to collect supplies for the inevitable nuclear war? 

[Keil]

http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_t1

 

I'm familiar with what has been going on because of the talks during the Olympics. I really don't know what to think at this moment. The information I read and the ones I watch/hear sometimes contradict each other =/ If there were to be a nuclear war, I have 10 years worth of toilet paper to pillage from the complex.

[Waser Lave]

Russia wouldn't need nukes to beat Ukraine in a war, it would be pretty much a walkover and since Ukraine isn't a member of NATO then the chances of anybody else getting involved is fairly small.

[Dan]

Russia wouldn't need nukes to beat Ukraine in a war, it would be pretty much a walkover and since Ukraine isn't a member of NATO then the chances of anybody else getting involved is fairly small.

 

Ukraine doesn't have to be a member of NATO for NATO to get involved. 

 

Russia has not only moved tens of thousands of troops into Crimea but they have also begun to station troops along the border of Poland and Lithuania too. The threat here is real and the immediate response from most of the western world condemning Russia's actions should be taken pretty seriously...

[Waser Lave]

Ukraine doesn't have to be a member of NATO for NATO to get involved. 

 

Russia has not only moved tens of thousands of troops into Crimea but they have also begun to station troops along the border of Poland and Lithuania too. The threat here is real and the immediate response from most of the western world condemning Russia's actions should be taken pretty seriously...

 

It doesn't have to be a member for NATO to get involved but not being a member means that NATO is much less likely to want to get involved. Especially given the fragile nature of the economies of most developed countries at the moment and the recent history of military involvement over the last 15 years or so nobody wants to get involved in unpopular wars over a country which isn't particularly important on the world stage (again).

 

If Russia were to invade Ukraine it's probable that they'd only annex Crimea and Eastern Ukraine because that's where the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine are located, they aren't particularly interested in the rest of the country. Ukraine has neither the manpower nor the hardware to put up much of a fight in the event of a full-scale war so it would be a fairly short-lived affair probably completed whilst Western politicians grumble a bit and do nothing of substance about it.

[KaibaSama]

I've heard about it because I use the BBC for news, but I see no reason to stock up on anything. The Ukraine against Russia, like Waser said, would probably be a very short and small war because of the limited resources the Ukraine has. 

[L33T]

Take cover..?

[NapisaurusRex]

Actually, I disagree. I feel like this would be a long, drawn-out war because the United States can't mind its own business and will decide to meddle.

[Speedracer]

It reminds me of Russia's conflict with Georgia in 2005 I believe, lots of conflicting reports between the two countries and then someone does something to spark open conflict. 

[Dan]

It doesn't have to be a member for NATO to get involved but not being a member means that NATO is much less likely to want to get involved. Especially given the fragile nature of the economies of most developed countries at the moment and the recent history of military involvement over the last 15 years or so nobody wants to get involved in unpopular wars over a country which isn't particularly important on the world stage (again).

 

If Russia were to invade Ukraine it's probable that they'd only annex Crimea and Eastern Ukraine because that's where the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine are located, they aren't particularly interested in the rest of the country. Ukraine has neither the manpower nor the hardware to put up much of a fight in the event of a full-scale war so it would be a fairly short-lived affair probably completed whilst Western politicians grumble a bit and do nothing of substance about it.

 

NATO are already involved - Canada have pulled their ambassador, the G8 summit has been indefinitely postponed and the remaining 7 countries have publicly condemned Russia's actions. Obama has now publicly stated that sanctions will be put in place on Russia as punishment for stationing troops into Crimea.

 

I agree that it could end up with the annexing of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, but that's not something to brushed off - if Russia do indeed open fire and begin to invade areas of Ukraine then they will only be breaking more international laws.

 

I am not as sure as you obviously are that the big 7 (US and UK included) aren't going to get involved from a militaristic perspective if that eventuality is reached...

 

 

I've heard about it because I use the BBC for news, but I see no reason to stock up on anything. The Ukraine against Russia, like Waser said, would probably be a very short and small war because of the limited resources the Ukraine has. 

 

The stocking up on things was a tongue-in-cheek comment, I'm thinking we're all hoping it won't ever get to that.

[NapisaurusRex]

The stocking up on things was a tongue-in-cheek comment, I'm thinking we're all hoping it won't ever get to that.

But if you're reading this, stock up anyway just in case. If it does get to that, it'll be too late for the prep.

[Mishelle]

If shit goes down I'm just going to go to Napi's house.

[jinq]

Remember what Russia did to Georgia? Probably gonna look similar to that one if Russia escalates this any further

[NapisaurusRex]

At this point Obama telling Russia what to do is about as effective as the UN and their strongly written letter to North Korea. It's laughable. 
 
Putin is just saying 'Fuck you, come try me' while he dissolves part of another country into Russia and the world leaders are just hemming and hawing over it.

I wasn't talking about meddling with words, I meant meddling with actions, a la The War on Terrorism.

[Bone]

• I don't think direct comparisons with the South Ossetia War are particularly helpful. There were well-established separatist movements in Georgia long before 2008. In this case, Russia's just dragging its heels over its increasing irrelevance and NATO's creeping influence.
• Russia's pretext for the invasion is to protect the interests of ethnic Russians and Russian-speakers in Crimea. They're about 30 years too late to get away with that explanation. Kerry's already slamming Putin for trying.
• Full-scale war between Ukraine and Russia will not happen. This isn't the 19th century.
• If Russia moves past the Crimean peninsula, shit will hit the fan. The country could potentially fracture into pro-Russia and pro-West halves, and NATO will almost definitely get involved.
• lol @ SC meeting

[Speedracer]

 

• Russia's pretext for the invasion is to protect the interests of ethnic Russians and Russian-speakers in Crimea. They're about 30 years too late to get away with that explanation. Kerry's already slamming Putin for trying.

Plus there hadn't been any violence committed against the ethnic Russians that they would need protection from.

[Rocket]

I don't really follow any news outside of the US because most of it's all so depressing. So I don't really have any idea what is going on.

 

But if shit hits the fan, I'll just go to my dad's he's a hoarder of food and weapons (he's stocked up for the zombie apocalypse.) 

[redlion]

I don't really follow any news outside of the US because most of it's all so depressing. So I don't really have any idea what is going on.
 
But if shit hits the fan, I'll just go to my dad's he's a hoarder of food and weapons (he's stocked up for the zombie apocalypse.)

It's true, the news that hits the international scene is usually depressing, no matter what country you're from. But local news is just as depressing. Most news media in general focus on scandal.

[Fikri]

come on USA, save ukrainnneeee.

[Bone]

Look at all the other countries the U.S. tried to "help"

 

What countries did the U.S. try to "help" that were in a situation comparable to Ukraine?

[Fikri]

Look at all the other countries the U.S. tried to "help"

 

i'm being sarcastic.

[Doomsday]

[Speedracer]

This almost made me spit out my drink, that is awesome