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[Bone]

 

Sderot cinema. Israelis bringing chairs 2 hilltop in sderot 2 watch latest from Gaza. Clapping when blasts are heard.

 

100+ Palestinians killed, nearly 1000 wounded. 0 Israeli citizens killed, ~20 wounded. One of the world's most sophisticated militaries continues to airstrike one of the most densely populated areas in the world.

 

Thanks, Obama.

[Fikri]

i don't even know what to say. both sides are atrocious.

[Bone]

i don't even know what to say. both sides are atrocious.

 

The Palestinian retaliation to the systematic oppression they face pales in comparison to the mass killing of civilians that the Israeli government commits. I don't see how you can chalk it up to both sides being "atrocious" when one is clearly exploiting its military and economic superiority at the expense of civilians.

[luvsmyncis]

Maybe, just maybe if we wish hard enough, the people in the photo will be killed and I can clap from where I'm sitting.

[Bone]

Maybe, just maybe if we wish hard enough, the people in the photo will be killed and I can clap from where I'm sitting.

 

That's the spirit! The American way! Senseless killing of (non-Christian) people, enjoyed from the comfort of our own homes!

[luvsmyncis]

*thumbs up, cracks open a can of beer*

I don't care who dies as long as I don't have to pay more for gasoline. Then I can get pretty darn miffed.

[Bone]

Nearing 250 Palestinians dead and 2000 wounded. Israel ramps up its ground invasion and bombs hospitals.

(1 Israeli killed, less than 30 wounded)

[Romy]

Nearing 250 Palestinians dead and 2000 wounded. Israel ramps up its ground invasion and bombs hospitals.

(1 Israeli killed, less than 30 wounded)

It's almost as if you expect the global community (United Nations) to do something about this?

[Bone]

It's almost as if you expect the global community (United Nations) to do something about this?

A) No, I don't expect the UN to play a major role in ending the conflict.
B) The UN did manage to broker a 6-hour truce a couple days ago, and has played an instrumental role in collecting data and monitoring conflicts in the region, as well as maintaining dialogue, particularly involving Egypt.
C) If there's any state that has the capacity/responsibility to put a stop to this massacre, it's the US.


Also, Israeli reserve major general Oren Shachor: "If we kill their families, that will frighten them."

Israel's institutionalized terrorism is less sophisticated than ours (drones so stronk), but it does the job.

[Pilot]

 

The Palestinian retaliation to the systematic oppression they face pales in comparison to the mass killing of civilians that the Israeli government commits. I don't see how you can chalk it up to both sides being "atrocious" when one is clearly exploiting its military and economic superiority at the expense of civilians.

 

lol dat lesser of two evils logic

 

Both sides are atrocious period

[Bone]

 

 

 

lol dat lesser of two evils logic

 

Both sides are atrocious period

 

 

If you want to be reductive to the point of meaninglessness, yes, the actions of both sides are 'atrocious'. But no party in any military conflict in history has been completely "just" in its actions. Dismissing Israel's disproportionate use of force against civilians because Hamas has also harmed civilians is an injustice to the Gazans who face annihilation of their culture, livelihoods, and lives.

[Pilot]

If you want to be reductive to the point of meaninglessness, yes, the actions of both sides are 'atrocious'. But no party in any military conflict in history has been completely "just" in its actions. Dismissing Israel's disproportionate use of force against civilians because Hamas has also harmed civilians is an injustice to the Gazans who face annihilation of their culture, livelihoods, and lives.

 

No one is dismissing anything. But if you're going to support the the side that has the most number of civilian casualties because they're the 'least worst' then... lol

[Bone]

No one is dismissing anything. But if you're going to support the the side that has the most number of civilian casualties because they're the 'least worst' then... lol

 

I'm happy to participate in a discussion, but it's difficult to do so when you fail to make any meaningful points and "lol" at arguments I never made.

[Romy]

I'm happy to participate in a discussion, but it's difficult to do so when you fail to make any meaningful points and "lol" at arguments I never made.

That's what everyone who is Pro-Israel does.

You can't expect a civil discussion.

 

You'll just have your morals and intelligence questioned/mocked.

[Pilot]

That's what everyone who is Pro-Israel does.

You can't expect a civil discussion.

 

You'll just have your morals and intelligence questioned/mocked.

 

Why you catching feelings though

 

I can understand where Bone is coming from, but apparently I'm pro Israel now? Betch did you even read any of my posts 

[Romy]

Why you catching feelings though

 

I can understand where Bone is coming from, but apparently I'm pro Israel now? Betch did you even read any of my posts 

 

Consider it a general statement.

Wasn't directly aimed at you

[Bone]

More than 600 Gazans killed. 2 Israeli citizens killed.

 

 

 

Dearest friends,

 

The last night was extreme. The "ground invasion" of Gaza resulted in scores and carloads with maimed, torn apart, bleeding, shivering, dying - all sorts of injured Palestinians, all ages, all civilians, all innocent.

 

The heroes in the ambulances and in all of Gaza's hospitals are working 12-24 hour shifts, grey from fatigue and inhuman workloads (without payment all in Shifa for the last 4 months), they care, triage, try to understand the incomprehensible chaos of bodies, sizes, limbs, walking, not walking, breathing, not breathing, bleeding, not bleeding humans. HUMANS!

 

Now, once more treated like animals by "the most moral army in the world" (sic!).

 

My respect for the wounded is endless, in their contained determination in the midst of pain, agony and shock; my admiration for the staff and volunteers is endless, my closeness to the Palestinian "sumud" gives me strength, although in glimpses I just want to scream, hold someone tight, cry, smell the skin and hair of the warm child, covered in blood, protect ourselves in an endless embrace - but we cannot afford that, nor can they.

 

Ashy grey faces - Oh NO! Not one more load of tens of maimed and bleeding, we still have lakes of blood on the floor in the ER, piles of dripping, blood-soaked bandages to clear out - oh - the cleaners, everywhere, swiftly shovelling the blood and discarded tissues, hair, clothes,cannulas - the leftovers from death - all taken away ... to be prepared again, to be repeated all over. More then 100 cases came to Shifa in the last 24 hrs. Enough for a large well trained hospital with everything, but here - almost nothing: no electricity, water, disposables, drugs, OR-tables, instruments, monitors - all rusted and as if taken from museums of yesterday's hospitals. But they do not complain, these heroes. They get on with it, like warriors, head on, enormously resolute.

 

And as I write these words to you, alone, on a bed, my tears flow, the warm but useless tears of pain and grief, of anger and fear. This is not happening!

 

An then, just now, the orchestra of the Israeli war-machine starts its gruesome symphony again, just now: salvos of artillery from the navy boats just down on the shores, the roaring F16, the sickening drones (Arabic 'Zennanis', the hummers), and the cluttering Apaches. So much made in and paid by the US.

 

Mr. Obama - do you have a heart?

 

I invite you - spend one night - just one night - with us in Shifa. Disguised as a cleaner, maybe.

 

I am convinced, 100%, it would change history.

 

Nobody with a heart AND power could ever walk away from a night in Shifa without being determined to end the slaughter of the Palestinian people.

 

But the heartless and merciless have done their calculations and planned another "dahyia" onslaught on Gaza.

 

The rivers of blood will keep running the coming night. I can hear they have tuned their instruments of death.

 

Please. Do what you can. This, THIS cannot continue.
 

Mads Gilbert MD PhD
Professor and Clinical Head
Clinic of Emergency Medicine
University Hospital of North Norway

- See more at: http://www.middleeas...h.XG7yHqiw.dpuf

[Pilot]

 

 

Sad that Palestinian civilians have to suffer because one organization is suicidally stupid and the other is scum disguised as a government

[HiMyNameIsNick]

Kill some palestinian, we're good with it. They're probably some kind of terrorist.

Kill a jew and that's racist.

 

Fuck logic.

[luvsmyncis]

Mr. Obama - do you have a heart?
 
I invite you - spend one night - just one night - with us in Shifa. Disguised as a cleaner, maybe.
 
I am convinced, 100%, it would change history.

It wouldn't. The janitor jokes would reach an all time high.

[Bone]

It wouldn't. The janitor jokes would reach an all time high.

Yeah, that line had me imagining the most fucked up reality show ever...

[Bone]

The Moral Chasm Between Israel and Hamas

 

Gotta love the delusions of the U.S. military.

[redlion]

The Moral Chasm Between Israel and Hamas
 
Gotta love the delusions of the U.S. military.

Who in their right mind pays for the wall street journal?

[redlion]

What's wrong with the wall street journal?

Besides their ownership and their particular slant (not for everybody, not for me), their online articles are behind a paywall. In other words, you have to pay to read them.

Also the article Bone linked looks like it's setting up a strawman in the teaser.

[Bone]

Besides their ownership and their particular slant (not for everybody, not for me), their online articles are behind a paywall. In other words, you have to pay to read them.

Huh, that article wasn't behind a paywall me.