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[Coops]

404 error on your link

 

What I did say is that there are some genetic factors as well that lead to increased risk of Type 2, but that it can also be cause outside of any genetic factors due to a sedentary lifestyle and diet. 

Genetic risk factor doesn't equal genetic condition though, and it appears, to me, you're conflating the two.

 

With type 1, you mention risk factors, not a gene mutation that is causal to type 1 diabetes. These distinctions are crucial, especially if you're going to unintentionally, or intentionally, attempt to justify eugenics, or even just argue the possible validity of another person's shit opinion.

Here is a pretty cool break down:
http://www.diabetes....www.google.com/

It explains the difference between type 1 and type 2. It also illustrates the point about type 2 having stronger genetic components both @Jess and @Kaddict mentioned.

 

No clue why the tag for Kaddict didn't work. Whatever.

 

[Ladida]

@Kaddict

How odd, it worked for me

[Kaddict]

Genetic risk factor doesn't equal genetic condition though, and it appears, to me, you're conflating the two.

 

With type 1, you mention risk factors, not a gene mutation that is causal to type 1 diabetes. These distinctions are crucial, especially if you're going to unintentionally, or intentionally, attempt to justify eugenics; or even just argue the possible validity of another person's shit opinion.

Here is a pretty cool break down:
http://www.diabetes....www.google.com/

It explains the difference between type 1 and type 2. It also illustrates the point about type 2 having stronger genetic components both @Jess and @Kaddict mentioned.

 

No clue why the tag for Kaddict didn't work. Whatever.

 

It is probably bc I have a shitty username.

[Romy]

Saw someone on FB post about being an "oppressed minority" and being unable to do anything about it.

WHAT THE FUCK DID THESE PEOPLE DO.

Spoiler

 

Stop being a coward and get organized. Jeebus.

 

 

 

Also, you guys are going about eugenics in completely the wrong way. You should never EVER force people to get their tubes tied or a vasectomy, you offer some kind of incentive to dissuade them from reproducing.

 

Someone's family has a history of Haemophilia? Huntington's? Offer to cover a large portion of their medical bills if they don't have children.

History of depression or poor mental health in their family? Offer to cover the cost of mental health treatment/medications for as long as they dont have children.

History of cancer?  Same.

 

Think capitalism. Not fascism. 

[Kaddict]

Saw someone on FB post about being an "oppressed minority" and being unable to do anything about it.

WHAT THE FUCK DID THESE PEOPLE DO.

Spoiler

 

Stop being a coward and get organized. Jeebus.

 

 

 

Also, you guys are going about eugenics in completely the wrong way. You should never EVER force people to get their tubes tied or a vasectomy, you offer some kind of incentive to dissuade them from reproducing.

 

Someone's family has a history of Haemophilia? Huntington's? Offer to cover a large portion of their medical bills if they don't have children.

History of depression or poor mental health in their family? Offer to cover the cost of mental health treatment/medications for as long as they dont have children.

History of cancer?  Same.

 

Think capitalism. Not fascism. 

These are actually much more humane alternatives. I thought there was a mediterranean country that was passing a law, but I can't remember the details. I think everyone has to get tested for hemophilia trait, and if you are married and both are carriers, you aren't allowed to have kids. I wish I could remember more about it. 


Here is an opinion that might be unpopular?: Had a patient who was 45 and pregnant. She had 3 elective abortions previously, but decided she wanted to have and keep a baby. She got pregnant at 45. Used meth "occasionally" during her pregnancy. Then, when she finds out the baby most likely has Trisomy 21, she decides to give the baby up for adoption. To me, it is one of the most selfish things I have ever heard. To get pregnant that old, you are rolling the dice with Trisomy. And then to force another person/family/group/entity to take care of that child... eerrrrgggg. It drove me insane. Not to even mention that she didn't seem to care too much about the health of the baby when she was using meth. 

[Kaddict]

Well, to go full out capitalism based eugenics, Big Pharma might as well jack up the prices of any life saving medication for genetically linked diseases to the point where only the very elite could possibly afford it, thus reducing the gene pool of the mass majority from most of these genes. I feel incredibly dirty for coming up with that.

 

Mylan's Epipens anyone?

I wasn't overly bothered by epipen prices being increased (overly is the important word here). That is, until I found out that the father of the CEO is a senator who was pushing a bill which would require schools to have extra on hand in case of an emergency and the kid didn't have one (not a bad idea in and of  itself), but when the private and public sector colludes like that together, that is much worse than what that dirtbag skreli (or whatever his name is) did with jacking up big pharma prices.

[Romy]

Well, to go full out capitalism based eugenics, Big Pharma might as well jack up the prices of any life saving medication for genetically linked diseases to the point where only the very elite could possibly afford it, thus reducing the gene pool of the mass majority from most of these genes. I feel incredibly dirty for coming up with that.

 

Mylan's Epipens anyone?

That'ts an interesting idea.

 

I wonder what would happen afterwards however. Most big pharma companies depend on government enforcement to maintain their patents on any new drugs they develop (iirc it's ~20 year patent). What would the government do if they decided to jack up the price like that?

[Mishelle]

I think Pamela Anderson is right about porn. It has completely warped sexuality for the worst.

[Ubermensch]

But diabetes is curable and preventable? I think you're being a little unfair. Let's just kill accidental paraplegics while we're at it, so the clumsiness gene doesn't get spread.

Explain how type one diabetes is curable?

I'm still giggling at the thought of someone with a jewish username promoting eugenics

Heil Ford! Woodhull for president! ELIMINATE THE TACO STANDS!

Ubermensch is the philosophical idea of a "super-human" by Nietzsche, a German philosopher. A quick Google search will show up a lot more informations

[NapisaurusRex]

@ Ubermensch I'm not going through explaining diabetes again. It can be turned off and on through environmental factors just like almost every other ai disorder. It does take effort though, so maybe we can just do away with lazy people, since that would really create a better master race than treating diabetes like food allergies.

[Ubermensch]

If type one diabetes was that easily cured, to the degree that you can "switch it on and off", how comes people still have to wear insulin pumps? Are they lazy?

[NapisaurusRex]

Because it hasn't been proven by science and there isn't enough funding/isn't ethical to do studies on it, like I've also already mentioned.

[Ubermensch]

So there isn't a cure then? I'm confused.

[cara]

Ubermensch is the philosophical idea of a "super-human" by Nietzsche, a German philosopher. A quick Google search will show up a lot more informations

LOOOOL. This gave me a laugh. Definitely not a Jewish name.

[NapisaurusRex]

So there isn't a cure then? I'm confused.

There is.

LOOOOL. This gave me a laugh. Definitely not a Jewish name.

That was also part of my unpopular opinion.

LOOOOL. This gave me a laugh. Definitely not a Jewish name.

That was also part of my unpopular opinion.

[cara]

I think Pamela Anderson is right about porn. It has completely warped sexuality for the worst.

I don't know what she said about it but this is a super unpopular opinion. I definitely agree though. I try to see the flip side where porn empowers women but I just don't agree ..

[Ubermensch]

There is.
That was also part of my unpopular opinion.
That was also part of my unpopular opinion.

What's the cure?

[Coops]

What's the cure?

Are you able to read? Legitimately asking. It's been pointed out that this was rude of me. I am sorry. This was discussed in previous pages.

[Mishelle]

What's the cure?

Did you actually read the conversation from the beginning before you decided to jump in asking questions about things that have already been addressed?

I don't know what she said about it but this is a super unpopular opinion. I definitely agree though. I try to see the flip side where porn empowers women but I just don't agree ..

Yeah. Like I do believe that sex workers should be protected and we should listen to them in regards to what they say will make their jobs safer but ideally I'd like to work toward a society where people don't have to engage in sex work. I guess anything could be empowering individually but I don't agree that porn empowers all women when most porn focuses solely on the pleasure of men.

[cara]

Ubermensch a heads up - you talk to one of them, you talk to all of them lol.

 

 

Yeah. Like I do believe that sex workers should be protected and we should listen to them in regards to what they say will make their jobs safer but ideally I'd like to work toward a society where people don't have to engage in sex work. I guess anything could be empowering individually but I don't agree that porn empowers all women when most porn focuses solely on the pleasure of men. 

 

 

Sex workers are generally not protected .. my understanding is that the porn industry is barely regulated and there are many underage girls working in it. But it has such a bad stigma that prostitution will probably not be legalized and tax pay dollars going into making sex trade workers safer just isn't going to happen. It's a sad world we live in ....

[Coops]

Ubermensch a heads up - you talk to one of them, you talk to all of them lol.

What does that mean?

[cara]

What does that mean?

 

It means that he had two responses to one post directed to neither of you - one of those responses being a rather rude rhetorical question asking him if he is able to read by the Private Leader of these boards.

 

So it probably means to keep his chin up and to keep directing his posts to who they are intended for, especially since it is Jess and she is always very respectful.

 

Because I don't know about you, but I would feel extremely disheartened being new to the boards and having the Private Leader ask me if I am illiterate.

[Coops]

It means that he had two responses to one post directed to neither of you - one of those responses being a rather rude rhetorical question asking him if he is able to read by the Private Leader of these boards.

 

So it probably means to keep his chin up and to keep directing his posts to who they are intended for, especially since it is Jess and she is always very respectful.

 

Because I don't know about you, but I would feel extremely disheartened being new to the boards and having the Private Leader ask me if I am illiterate.

Except that for an entire page he asks for details - when both Jess, Kaddict and I previously discussed this entire matter with Ortin. Telling me it's not directed me is incorrect - since I was involved with the initial conversation. Yes, I'll give it to you, I could have phrased what I said a bit nicer. But considering he spent an entire page asking for information instead of just... I don't know... reading the previous page, I got a bit irritated. 

If you're going to passive aggressively call me out, don't - just straight up say it. I really dislike casual, passive aggressive remarks, and prefer to be approached directly. I'm an adult. I can handle it.

[cara]

Yes, I'll give it to you, I could have phrased what I said a bit nicer. 

 

I'm choosing to ignore everything else you said and just walk away with this one line. Because everything else you said was not relevant to anything that I said and looks like an attempt to provoke an argument which I have absolutely no interest in. 

[Romy]

I think some people here at Codex may only have the reading comprehension of a 10 year old.

 

If you're going to passive aggressively call me out, don't - just straight up say it. I really dislike casual, passive aggressive remarks, and prefer to be approached directly. I'm an adult. I can handle it.

 

lol