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[Frizzle]

Even though his post is probably more thought out and useful then all of yours in this thread?

[Sweeney]

I was under the impression you can't gravedig in here, since all the debates are fully open ended, and never really finish...

[llywelyn]

I'm as unholy as a horse on laxatives.

I respect the religious way of life though. I think it's a good medium for promoting moral standards.

[Cataliste]

Hmmmmm. Like i said before

Religion is just a mehtod of control for the masses. I recently wrote an essay on Karl Marx's quote" Religion is the opiat eof the people" describing how religion is jsut required.

Show me the fac eof God hell, show me his shadow. Why does this all powerful, all omnicient being choose to show himself only to believers? sems he could bulk up collection offerings if he scared the hell out of us sometimes.

by the way this was just my own eprsonal opion no disage to those who believe its ur right

I am jsut a puirely scientific person. refusing to believe naything until i see proof. PHYSICAL proof. the las tperson who told me God was definately real because he could feel his presence got pimp slapped by me. having a feeling is nothing to base your life of off. I jsut dislike people so willingly give up their wants and desires and choose to give money and time to something they cant be sure exist.

Also, what about freewill? Why do we have it? If god exist, we cant have free will. He is perfect, therefor omnicient. Omnicient means all knowing Cody. XD If he is all knowing, then he would not even had need to create us before he knew what we do. So why create us? Are we an ant farm to this little kid?

Also, its a proven fact:
Nothing perfect can create something imperfect"
God is perfect, therefor man must be perfect. If god create us his therefor imperfect as we are imperfect(if he was perfect, we shud be too) therefor anything not perfect is not getting my time and money.

Someone reply to this...please

[Funnlecake]

Someone reply to this...please

youve been replyed

[Cataliste]

i did not copy nor paste that from any book


and i like to atleast pretend i have freewill.

and you last statement:

And my belief on your last statement is that when God created a man, he was perfect. It was through influence that man wrecked himself. I can get a better view on that in a second, like I said I have seen people like you say that so many times, there was an answer to it I gotta go find it again.

is completely false. see. there is no wy for a perfect thing to do something imperfect. IE, if we were perfect we wud hav elsitened to "god" and not eaten the fruit. yet we ate the apple and piss on us now

[Cataliste]

Well, I have a fat book i'm trying to look through, and even worse I can't remember what section I saw it in Don't think I don't have an answer for that though, i'll get it to you as soon as I find it

i shall be waiting. but i dont get my answers form a book

[Cataliste]

Even if God is free it does not matter. God is still perfect. The definition of perfection is having no mistakes and not being albe to have errors. If you can't make an error, you can not create somehting errorful. If I make a program that creates a log perfectly everytime. It will NEVER create an imperfect log. Its impossible!

[Cataliste]

That quote prove snothing.... honestly.

[Cataliste]

Really, care to explain why. That was a very pointless and meaningless post, why, because you accomplished nothing but sharing your opinion on a quote.

I guess this proves nothing either too:

that quote just rambles on. trying to link thing together in a very twisted way. Why shud i asusmne man is weak? who is to tell me he is weak? I am weak to a mouse? if i am more powerful than the mouse and the mouse is weaker than me then that proves what? nothing. simply because i am TOLD (another great thing religion does, TELLS rahter than explains) i am weak, does not mena it is true. i could say Noitidart is retarded. that does not make itso (he is kinda tho, like a little bit. maybe he at epaintchips as a child>). The quote you posted simply TELLS me what the author of it believes and prtovides no support other than metaphysical LSD trip blathery that has no foundation in the current world, only the authors name. Just becaus ehtere is poverty does not mena there is wealth. what fi there were no money? or we did not trade? would there still be poverty? would people be in the tsreets dying of malnutrition if we never traded any items? yes. so jsut because u are not in poverty doesnt mena that you are aobve those that are.

In short: I find thta quote very disturbing, very meaningless, and who ever wrote it walks around with their nos ein the air, like they have shit on their upper lip.

[Cataliste]

I knwo you meant weakness of "spirit" or moralaity. i never even thoguth for a second physical strength. And i do not believe in the big bang theory either. See i am not like 90% of people out there. I can admit that I dont know. I dont know how the wrold came into existance. I see a requirement that EVERYTHING has to have a begining and an end. I dont claim to know if god exist, hell im not sure we exist. But i do know that the existance of supreme intelligence arising from nothing is much less liekly than matter being created form nothing....

[sockopen]

I'm Agnostic.

Anyone who believes such specifics on religion without proof is a fool.

[Waser Lave]

I'm Agnostic.

Anyone who believes such specifics on religion without proof is a fool.

QFE

[Raillery]

First off, sorry for gravedigging. I had just woken up, was browsing the debate forum and this interested me and completly forgot to check the date. My fault.

Sorry, I can't pass this up! He did die. He died by the spirit. God always refers to dieing as the death of the spirit, it makes logical sense. He would of probably said "dieing of the flesh" if he really ment death. And that's not reading it? No, that's not reading it in a human view, but the Bible was inspired by God, and therefor was basically written word for word by God. And if you don't take the Bible literally, your calling God a lier. You have to define literally though, if you mean like in revlations when they mention things like the mark of the beast, you have to understand that that's the only way Paul could describe what he saw, and it's our job to look through his eyes and convert it to how we might describe it in modern time.

Man made? Mostly. I have always said that all religions (except christianity) is man reaching for God, which is impossible, and christianity is God reaching for man, which is possible. Think about it

When I say taking the bible literally, I mean taking the bible word for word as it is. Meaning, none of it is just stories, meaning, 2 of every animal did go on the ark, etc etc. There are many things in the bible that just don't make sense and don't add up. I'll post some of those later.

The fact that the bible was written by man leaves a lot of room for errors to be made. The bible wasn't written immediately after Jesus had died, it was written a long while afterwards. Also, you have to remember that back then you couldn't just take a book (especially one about a new religion), go to a publisher and bam you're done. The book had to go through the kings of the time before it was published. The government at the time had a lot to gain from the bible. A man made bible, inspired by God or not, still could have faulty . . . stuff in it.

If you count up the ammount of time that passes in the bible, I believe it adds up to under 10,000 years (8,000 maybe? I'm not entirely sure and don't want to say the wrong #). We know that the earth, the universe, everything is much older than that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not as much against the bible as I am against taking it literally. I believe the bible is like any other book, a story.

As for contradictions, here's a website full of them. http://www.skepticsa...proph/long.html

Some are better than others, some are BS, some make you think. I just thought it was an interesting website worth a look

[Raillery]

In response to what you're saying about God not being able to take care of his own bible. . . the only reason you know a God exists is because the bible (written by man, approved by those higher in power) is here today.

I don't know how to word it, but do you understand what I'm saying?

[Cataliste]

What if 2000 years form now someone finds a copy of Gullivers Travels? think they will worshiop it?



prolly not. But what if the bible is just that? I book. written fro a good read. wouldnt it be funny how many ppl have died in the name of some authors figments?

and yeah, the bible has been peiced together. litterally. the things of luke and mathew were written over 30 years after jesus was killed. and some bible historians dont evne think thye wrote them. And if u look in the first hanbd stories of luke and mathew u can see several discrepencies. but i seriosuly doubt any 2 books of the bible were written within 30 years of each other. maybe it has just been repeatedly amended?
but there are also chapters of the bible missing! ask your local reverand aobut the gospel of judah. It isnt in there. there are also several other missing text. google it

[sockopen]

What if evolution was all wrong? What if on some calculation we completely messed up how we age things we find. It sure would be funny to see thousands of kids die and goto hell believing that we came from monkeys =/

I wouldn't worship a God who seeks vengeance upon those who do not dedicate their lives to worshipping him, sounds like the Devil to me.

[Ives]

Agreed with sockopen in a way. I'm much more agnostic now, because I truly don't know what the hell is going to happen, who is right, and how the universe came to be. Yea, people should try and find the answers, but I don't know. People have claimed upon near death expiriences many different claims, including going to Heaven, dancing with Bhrama, reaching out to Adonai, and just plain nothing. I look at Buddhas philosophies and believe it in a metaphorical way, but I just don't know. The term "believe" has gone quite the way. At this point, I can't say I even really care. If I die and go to hell, then so be it. I might as well have fun in life and be happy with myself.

[Eeyore]

Possibly a really stupid question, but is Non Denominational the same as No Religion? I was never brought up into any religion you see and under doctors files and things it'll say No Religion. Personally though, I'm actually part of my own informal religion I only need about 10,000 followers. Any takers?

[Sweeney]

Wow... Er, if you actually do your research you'll find that when the council put the Bible together, they recieved about 100+ books to put together as the bible, they only accepted some of these depending on which were true and not. What's stupid is they found this Gospel now and is making a huge deal about how it could change the bible, when it was not included in the first place because it was not true

And I can say the same shit about you. What if evolution was all wrong? What if on some calculation we completely messed up how we age things we find. It sure would be funny to see thousands of kids die and goto hell believing that we came from monkeys =/

And want to know something about that Gospel of judah? It has been dated to have been written around 200AD, 170 years after Jesus died, and definently after Judah died.

All I can say is not true? Or not what the council wanted people to hear?
Truth is a very fluid notion.

[Sweeney]

I'd gladly take the pointless option.
It makes me feel much more secure

[SupermanFTM]

I'm Baptist Mmm, soak up that bible xD

[foogie]

I'm Pagan D:

[Tetiel]

To me... I think it would be easier to believe in God... to believe in God is the easy way because... I would feel so lost if there was no hope for anything good after life. And it believe in God... if you're wrong, you are wrong. There is no penalty... but to not believe in God and be wrong when you die... well... it's just not good.

That's my logic anyways.

[emme80]

im an other..

do believe that there is something bigger out there that may have had a part of us being here, but in terms of there being a god that watches over us and all that other bull shit... no... i dont believe in that...

so you could say i do believe in god, i just think he/she is something completly diffrent then whats stated in a bible or somethin

Edited by emme80, 15 April 2006 - 06:47 PM.