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[Ives]

What is your view on censorship? I believe what the libertarian site said:

Against Censorship


We defend the rights of individuals to unrestricted freedom of speech, freedom of the press and the right of individuals to dissent from government itself. ...

We oppose any abridgment of the freedom of speech through government censorship, regulation or control of communications media, including, but not limited to, laws concerning:

* Obscenity, including "pornography", as we hold this to be an abridgment of liberty of expression despite claims that it instigates rape or assault, or demeans and slanders women; ...

* Electronic bulletin boards, communications networks, and other interactive electronic media as we hold them to be the functional equivalent of speaking halls and printing presses in the age of electronic communications, and as such deserving of full freedom;

* Electronic newspapers, electronic "Yellow Pages", and other new information media, as these deserve full freedom. ... "

Credits: http://www.lp.org/is...ue-ribbon.shtml

I would explain more, but thats exactly how i feel. I'm not saying that its rational for people to just go off and slap on gay porn every turn, but that's just me.

[Chrissttifa]

-agrees-

The government controls too much of our lives already.

Imagine if we lived in China.

They even control Google ;-;

[Hawk]

I agree dude. Makes me think of the Southpark where they are going to say shit on TV. God thats a classic.

[Tetiel]

I think things with pornography... there needs to be laws but that is simply to protect children. I wouldn't exactly like it if porn was broadcasted on something like Fox or WB. Buuuuuuut other than that... I think it's fine as long as it doesn't show things like actual rape or children or something of the sort. And as far as the electronic boards... no, they shouldn't be censored, but should they be monitored? Yes. Suppose someone was talking about a murder they were planning or something like that. Or what if they were planning a subway bombing? In that case people should be able to take that and question people accordingly.

Buuuuuuuuut... I am no libertarian... in fact I'm pretty much the opposite. However I still think people should have those freedoms I think people should be allowed freedoms as long as they don't harm anyone else's freedoms

[Hawk]

I wouldn't exactly like it if porn was broadcasted on something like Fox or WB.

If porn was broadcasted on Fox they would undoubtedly pick the worst porn episode or series (Like they always do ) and their ratings would drop faster than Oprah out of a 757 (My dream).

[Ives]

I think things with pornography... there needs to be laws but that is simply to protect children. I wouldn't exactly like it if porn was broadcasted on something like Fox or WB. Buuuuuuut other than that... I think it's fine as long as it doesn't show things like actual rape or children or something of the sort. And as far as the electronic boards... no, they shouldn't be censored, but should they be monitored? Yes. Suppose someone was talking about a murder they were planning or something like that. Or what if they were planning a subway bombing? In that case people should be able to take that and question people accordingly.

Buuuuuuuuut... I am no libertarian... in fact I'm pretty much the opposite. However I still think people should have those freedoms I think people should be allowed freedoms as long as they don't harm anyone else's freedoms

Nor am I, sorta. I'm what some would call an "unregistered moderate." Mainly because the way the goverment has been taking sides piss me off. It's either Michael Moore or Theocratic lard face. But yeah, Fox and ABC wouldn't go the porn route. Kids and parents = ratings != pornography.

[Funnlecake]

i think all censorship is bad
oh sorry if im infringing on your morals but ive grown this why should we give a vladimir lenin about something that may infring on your thoughts or way you want to keep your kids in the dark.

[redlion]

Well, in Moore's defense, in his book Stupid White Men he assaults not only the republicans, but the democrats as well. He hates 'em all.

The only real reason I consider myself a democrat at the moment is because the Patriot act was a republican invention, and that goes everything the United States stands for. Hell, if Gore ran in 2008 as the Green candidate, I'd vote for him. Anyone see him in Wired magazine this issue?

[bluewater]

Censorship to me is a good idea in theory... However, the way the nation and the government have taken censorship to whole new high is just awful. Freedom of speech does not apply to north america any more... Hate to say that but it is the truth.

Every now and than when the government passes a new law saying we cannot say this about certain people or we cannot make a death threat we are slowly trading away our Right to Free Speech for a little more of a false sense of security.

Even now bloggers can be prosecuted for what they say... That's bloody insane! They're just expressing their so called right to free speech by ranting. Tell me, do you see justice there?

[RandomNameIgnoreIt]

If our society is to ever be anything but chaos, there must be a degree of censorship.

[bluewater]

If our society is to ever be anything but chaos, there must be a degree of censorship.

Damn straight. Your aboslutely right. But I personaly thing it's gone a little to far. What do you guys think? Maybe I'm just a ranting idiot who is completely wrong.. lol

[Ives]

Well, in Moore's defense, in his book Stupid White Men he assaults not only the republicans, but the democrats as well. He hates 'em all.

The only real reason I consider myself a democrat at the moment is because the Patriot act was a republican invention, and that goes everything the United States stands for. Hell, if Gore ran in 2008 as the Green candidate, I'd vote for him. Anyone see him in Wired magazine this issue?

Not that hes a democrat or a republican...its the fact that hes a "mega liberal" as I call em.

[RandomNameIgnoreIt]

Random comment for future reference: The libertarian party believes almost exactly the opposite of what I do, and topics about their policies will most likely result in me getting very argumentative, lol.

Anywho... Order. We need it. If anyone could just show anything they wanted, imagine what would be in the media. As it is we need regulations just to keep the porn on cable on at a later hour, though still perfectly viewable by children.

Of course the issue of personal responsibility comes up, but what about our responsibility to society as a whole? Are we to just say to hell with it all because some parents don't know how to be proper parents? Are we supposed to let them grow up in inappropriate environments because of it?

Adults still have access to the material they want without leaving things completely open, as the libertarians want. I don't see the point of further degrading things just so they see boobies in the afternoon on ABC.

[bluewater]

Random comment for future reference: The libertarian party believes almost exactly the opposite of what I do, and topics about their policies will most likely result in me getting very argumentative, lol.

Anywho... Order. We need it. If anyone could just show anything they wanted, imagine what would be in the media. As it is we need regulations just to keep the porn on cable on at a later hour, though still perfectly viewable by children.

Of course the issue of personal responsibility comes up, but what about our responsibility to society as a whole? Are we to just say to hell with it all because some parents don't know how to be proper parents? Are we supposed to let them grow up in inappropriate environments because of it?

Adults still have access to the material they want without leaving things completely open, as the libertarians want. I don't see the point of further degrading things just so they see boobies in the afternoon on ABC.

Yep, your right... But I never got why some tits on TV is such a big deal. It's the human body. Nature plain and simple. However, it's perfectly fine to see someone get shot... numerous times. Seeing someone get slaughtered is fine by the standards of today... To see people die on TV is a regular thing, I'll never understand why the human body is so shunned.

[RandomNameIgnoreIt]

I think you are mistaking Libertarian politics. Generally, the regulations and practices being used now are fine with Libertarians. They aren't trying to change that.

And it'd be a far cry to say Libertarians are exactly the opposite of you. Green party would probably be exactly opposite of you. Libertarians are generally very conservative, like yourself. =P

From what I've gathered, Libertarians are economically conservative, where I am economically liberal. It just hasn't really come out because not many economic issues are discussed here

[redlion]

Libertarians are generally very conservative, like yourself. =P

Almost to a fault XD The smallest possible government, no intrusion into private lives, no social services, no taxes... Generally, a conservative powerhouse.

[RandomNameIgnoreIt]

Um, we should use other definitions for this, than liberal and conservative. Libertarians are economically conservative, in that there are very few changes they would make to our current system - but to the rest of the world, Libertarians would be considered liberal, because it supports capitalism. So I'm not quite sure what you mean. They support a free market - which is what we have now. Supply and demand, capitalism, and very little government involvement thereof.

Which does NOT, Paddy, apply to taxes.

So you support a socialist economy? Define!

I don't support a socialist economy, but I don't support an entirely free market either. I support programs like welfare and such, although I do think that they are being applied incorrectly.

I think of society as a whole, and how everything has an effect on everything else, as opposed to solely thinking of how I'm doing, or how "the working man" is doing, or whatever. Even the poor lazy people are part of society, and as parts of society, they impact us all. As distasteful as it may be at times to give them handouts, I feel it is critical to put some sort of money into the situation to nullify the negative impact they have on society. Such impact from the criminal lower class has ripples throughout society, and it causes things that, in my socially conservative nature, I am firmly against.

So in an effort to further support my socially conservative agenda, I feel that we must have a more liberal economic policy to try and clean up the lower class as much as possible. Of course, we could also always just put them in internment camps

I also feel that some people do try hard and do genuinely fall on hard times, so social programs should always be available for people that need to get back on their feet. But uh... mostly the other thing, lol

[RandomNameIgnoreIt]

On the political scale, you're really right next to Libertarians, even if your personal ideology is much different. I wouldn't be so much against them...most of the time, they vote the same way you do. =P Of course, the problem with Libertarians, is that they are all over the political spectrum - which is why I could never align myself with them. There ARE socialist Libertarians, as crazy as that seems, and I personally think Ayn Rand should have fallen into a well and died - but years of lung cancer followed by a heart attack...well, that's good enough for my sentiment of her. Even though she herself did not identify as a Libertarian, either, they kind of get grouped together.

And I edited my post after you quoted, bleh! =P

I'm mainly basing my stance on libertarians off of what I saw was their official stance off their web page some time ago... Which I thought was completely insane. Stuff like legal drugs, no taxes, ugh. I haven't really tracked their voting records though

And um... anarchists need a hug